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 by: Jan Panteltje - Tue, 8 Aug 2023 04:18 UTC

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 18:01:48 +0100) it happened The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uar81s$2ui9t$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 07/08/2023 16:43, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:49:46 +0100) it happened The Natural
>> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uaqspr$2skqd$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> It is better to peacefully live together with Russia
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO.
>> \
>>
>> I do seem to remember that it was Russia that freed much of the European continent from the nazis in WW2
>
>No, its was the Russians who occupied the countries that Germany had
>overrun, and committed almost identical atrocities to them.
>They weren't freed, they just had a different slavemaster.

My father was in the resistance in the Netherlands in WW2.
He also was a journalist that wrote anti-nazi stuff.
The Germans put him in a concentration camp.
He was freed by the brave Russians.

Occupation clear to me these days here is more by US
The international court of justice in the Hague must now judge on some things says US
but was not allowed to judge on US war crimes / criminals in Iraq else 'Bush would invade ' (The Netherlands).
Talk about Mafia, the US is one.
Just big weapons manufacturers that even supply their own people no end and kill thousand of their
own people just for sales.
It designed covid but as always used the far from their bed method and did the experiments in a Chinese lab,
the same experiments that were considered too dangerous by US DOD itself.
Faulty a mass murderer as government adviser now still not sentenced to how many lifetimes or the chair.
So damage China, the competition. backfired now did it not!
but then they made millions on the vaccines, those kill many too.
Criminals they, US, are.

>
>>> Its better to run the world on fairy farts and unicorn horns, but it
>>> ain't happening any time soon.
>>
>> It will always be one ant heap against the other, it would only change if we (humming beans)
>> faced for example a common enemy, say for example an invader from space.
>
>Correct. Wars started when we stopped wandering around an hunting and
>gathering, and started collecting food animals into enclosures.
>It was always going to be a tough choice between collecting your own
>animals and fencing them in, which is hard work, or simply taking over
>someone's place where the hard work was already done, killing the owner
>and his sons and having fun with the daughters.
>
>Its all perfectly rational cost benefit analysis. And the above is a
>pretty accurate desrciption of Russian behaviour in Ukraine, by all
>accounts.
>
>
>>
>>> The only way to live peacefully with Russia is to let Russia run your
>>> country and rip off everything you own after they have destroyed your
>>> cities raped the women and killed all the men.
>>
>> Not so, using Russian gas was OK, benefitted both sides.
>And you don't think that gas came at a price, when the *whole* of the
>ruling party in Germany had *all* been to Moscow at the Kremlins
>expense, with all 'entertainments' laid on and a hidden camera in every
>room?
>
>And its a toss up as to whether more Republicans or more democrats are
>in the pay of, or being blackmailed by the FSB., Or how many
>organisations like Greenpeace, FOE, Black Lives Matter or any of the
>rest of them are not indirectly funded and controlled by Russia? The
>Kremlin has global aspirations and it was doing famously until it
>started an actual hot war. Huge mistake. It had already destroyed most
>of the West through culturual Marxism, as some people call it.
>
>>
>> CIA has as mission to put petrol on any fire they can find to get the war machine going so their bosses
>> can sell more weapons.
>> We, in Europe, can make much better weapons than for example that F35 crap, UK had some nice VTOL fighters.
>> But Boris was an US clown who just separated UK from Europe hurting everybody in the UK.
>>
>
>You have no clue about what you are talking.
>Boris didnt do anything except ride a political movemenjt for his own
>career. And you cant separate the UK from Europe, we are patrt of Euripe
>and we are Europeans.
>What happened is that after repeatedly asking the European Union to be
>sensible and stop taking bribes, publish their accounts and gernerallly
>start behaving like a adult and responsible government and not a Mafia,
>the people of the UK finally got so pissed off with them they they gave
>them the finger and left.
>It was never about leaving Europe - that is the canard the EU made up,
>It was always about leaving the oppressive, utterly corrupt
>antidemocratic and incompetent European Union.
>And the Union has been trying to destroy Britain just like Russia is
>trying to destroy Ukraine, for having the audacity to tell them,
>politely to fuck off...
>
>>
>>> They then move Russians in and claim 'it wants to be part of Russia'.
>>>
>>> I am profoundly grateful that the USA is making some cash out of this,
>>> as much as I am profoundly grateful that its not Britain this time
>>> standing alone,
>>
>> I worked for Tek when the Iraq war started, so elated they were with the extra orders killing Iraqis provided...
>> I quit. and told them why.
>> Before that CIA wanted me, I told them to stuff it.
>>
>
>Sure, I worked for weapons companies for a while. I felt uneasy, and
>left. They weren't saints for sure. loads of taxpayer money being
>wasted, but we did put together some pretty good tech as well, and when
>it comes to corruptions in the 'military industrial complex', there is
>only one winner, an it ain't the USA, its jolly old Putinosvky and his
>oligarchic Ripoffsky, Defraudski, and Gimmeayachtsky.
>
>> Without Russia good chance you English would now be speaking German :-)
>>
>Not at all, without UK and US help, Russia would all be speaking
>German, and would be slightly more civilised.
>
>Frankly the US was incredibly stupid, Churchill tried to tell them what
>was going on. But Roosevelt ignored him and cosied up instead to the
>mass murderer who had killed millions of his own people, and went on to
>kill millions more. I guess given the experience of the Native Americans
>and black slaves, the USA felt Russia was a kindred spirit in genocide.
>
>As it was it wasn't until what Churchill called the 'iron curtain' came
>down that the USA actually woke up to the fact that they looked set to
>lose an entire market nearly as big as the USA to Russia that they
>decided to create NATO...if Russia had trolled all the way to France -
>and the UK didnt have the power to stop them - then there would have
>been a perfect third Reich, just speaking Russian, that;'s all.
>
>And big enough to take on the USA, and win.
>
>"Between the early 1930s and his death in 1953, Joseph Stalin had more
>than a million of his own citizens executed. Millions more fell victim
>to forced labor, deportation, famine, bloody massacres, and detention
>and interrogation by Stalin’s henchmen. Stalin’s Genocides is the
>chilling story of these crimes. The book puts forward the important
>argument that brutal mass killings under Stalin in the 1930s were indeed
>acts of genocide and that the Soviet dictator himself was behind them.
>
>Norman Naimark, one of our most respected authorities on the Soviet era,
>challenges the widely held notion that Stalin’s crimes do not constitute
>genocide, which the United Nations defines as the premeditated killing
>of a group of people because of their race, religion, or inherent
>national qualities. In this gripping book, Naimark explains how Stalin
>became a pitiless mass killer. He looks at the most consequential and
>harrowing episodes of Stalin’s systematic destruction of his own
>populace—the liquidation and repression of the so-called kulaks, the
>Ukrainian famine, the purge of nationalities, and the Great Terror—and
>examines them in light of other genocides in history. In addition,
>Naimark compares Stalin’s crimes with those of the most notorious
>genocidal killer of them all, Adolf Hitler."
>
>Where are the real inhabitants of Crimea? They are neither Ukrainians
>nor Russians, they were Tatars. They were all deported or killed.
>
>"Crimean Tatars constituted the majority of Crimea's population from the
>time of ethnogenesis until the mid-19th century, and the largest ethnic
>population until the end of the 19th century. Russia attempted to purge
>Crimean Tatars through a combination of physical violence, intimidation,
>forced resettlement, and legalized forms of discrimination between 1783
>and 1900. Between Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 1783 and 1800,
>somewhere between 100,000 and 300,000 Crimean Tatars emigrated. However,
>this did not result in the complete eradication of Crimean Tatar
>cultural elements (at least not under the Romanov dynasty; however,
>under the Soviets, the Crimean Tatars were almost completely driven from
>the Crimean peninsula). Almost immediately after retaking of Crimea from
>Axis forces, in May 1944, the USSR State Defense Committee ordered the
>deportation of all of the Crimean Tatars from Crimea, including the
>families of Crimean Tatars who had served in the Soviet Army. The
>deportees were transported in trains and boxcars to Central Asia,
>primarily to Uzbekistan. The Crimean Tatars lost 18 to 46 percent of
>their population as a result of the deportations. Starting in 1967, a
>few were allowed to return and in 1989 the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet
>Union condemned the removal of Crimean Tatars from their motherland as
>inhumane and lawless, but only a tiny percent were able to return before
>the full right of return became policy in 1989. "
>
>Russia has form Jan. THAT is why we are funding Ukraine. Russia is not a
>nice civilised country even though it had Starbucks and McDonalds in
>Moscow, st Petersburg and Novosibirsk. It is, behind the civilised
>veneer of its urban population, desperately backward, rural, brutal and
>lawless, and guess who gets sent to Ukraine, Not the urban westernised
>hipsters. The peasants and dregs from the houses with no running water
>no electricity and no flush toilets. From Siberia. Or the Chechens.
>Chechen Lives Don't Matter. There are as many fighting FOR Ukraine as
>against them. Same with the Georgians. Everybody hates Russians. And for
>really good reasons. They are ruthless selfish brutal racists, genocidal
>psychopaths, supreme liars, corrupt from top to bottom, and have
>absolutely no honour whatsoever. An agreement is there to be broken when
>it suits them.
>
>Any decent Russian has already left.
>
>Do the research. Don't listen to the paid Russian trolls on the mass
>media saying how 'Russia has a point' They don't. Russian methodology is
>100% incompatible with Western civilisation and values , they know it,
>and are fighting to destroy it but we don't. We - well you - still
>think they are decent reasonable people and can be negotiated with.
>They cannot. Putin is a pure bred pyschopath and he is president because
>that is what it takes to become a president in Russia. Instead of
>merely very rich and 100% corrupt, like America. Or 100% corrupt and
>only modestly rich, like the EU.
>
>We cannot negotiate with him, He will break any treaty. WE cannot regime
>change him, because someone exactly the same would take his place. All
>we can do is degrade his military potential and let his federation
>collapse from within, and deal with whoever has an ounce of integrity
>that emerges out of the chaos, and if te price of that is we have to pay
>more for oil, well let them eat uranium instead, as some french tart
>once said.


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 by: Jan Panteltje - Tue, 8 Aug 2023 04:27 UTC

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 18:07:48 +0100) it happened The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uar8d4$2ui9t$2@dont-email.me>:

>On 07/08/2023 17:01, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>> On 07/08/2023 16:43, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:49:46 +0100) it happened The Natural
>>> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>> <uaqspr$2skqd$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> It is better to peacefully live together with Russia
>>>>
>>>> ROFLMAO.
>>> \
>>>
>>> I do seem to remember that it was Russia that freed much of the
>>> European continent from the nazis in WW2
>>
>> Yes, but they did it with UK/US planes, tanks, ammunition
>> Much of it shipped via the northern route around Norway/Finland to the
>> detriment of many "allied" merchant seamen.
>>
>> Oh, and then they occupied what they could.
>> Was Stalin worse than Hitler?
>> He managed to kill a hell of a lot of people of "other" ethnicities.
>>
>I wouldn't want to pick one out of Putin, Stalin or Hitler, or indeed
>Robert Mugabe, or Pol Pot, or Chairman Mao. Or indeed Kim Yong Um and
>his utterly murderous sister.

Well there were some US presidents .. for example one nuking Japan and Bush attacking Iraq
that maybe you should add to the list?
And now ByeThen's clown shitlensky burning his people in a war he cannot win
just to help sell US arms.
Not even counting murdering the American Natives...
And later doing nuke tests on their land ...

>It seems that the transition from barbarism towards westernised
>technology is marked by the rise of psychopathic despots who have no
>regard for their people whatsoever. And whose sole reason for being in
>power is that they somehow acquired industrialised weapons first.

Maybe it is about greed?

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On 8/7/23 5:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/08/2023 06:31, 23k.304 wrote:
>> On 8/4/23 4:51 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 04/08/2023 06:08, 23k.304 wrote:
>>>> On 8/3/23 2:44 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:47:56 +0100) it happened The
>>>>> Natural
>>>>> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>>> <uae1bt$5slp$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     ANYway, /var/log CAN be moved to a RAMdisk if you want.
>>>>>>>     Not 100% sure WHY you'd want to, but it CAN. If a few
>>>>>>>     very early logs get 'lost' as you re-direct /var/log
>>>>>>>     then that MIGHT not be all so important. If you want
>>>>>>>     it all on RAMdisk then you don't CARE if it all
>>>>>>>     vanishes on reboot. I very rarely look in /var/log
>>>>>>>     anyhow so ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said, whoever you are, the less writing to an SD drive there is,
>>>>>> the less chance there is of file system corruption when the power
>>>>>> goes out.
>>>>>
>>>>> To avoid restarts on power failure use a UPS (I do) or just a
>>>>> simple battery circuit
>>>>> was it not called 'battery hat' or something? with the Pi.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    I remember the "battery hat" - still sold :
>>>>
>>>>    https://www.waveshare.com/li-ion-battery-hat.htm
>>>>
>>>>    But MOST Pi's, because of the high power consumption,
>>>>    still run off the mains - so a UPS is probably the
>>>>    simplest option. The "battery hat" however might
>>>>    serve to deal with very short interruptions.
>>>>
>>>>    However I don't think the most stress to SD cards
>>>>    is on boot - but during regular USE ... the usual
>>>>    data churning and loading system apps from the
>>>>    card. If "ping" is used, well, where does it COME
>>>>    from on a PI ? The SD card. Each application has
>>>>    to be examined to see what routines are used and
>>>>    put them into a RAMdisk or whatever. Remember,
>>>>    even reading an SD card involves re-writing the
>>>>    thing, that's how the tech works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I am not sure it actually does. If you turn off 'last read' with
>>> 'noatime'
>>> Which you surely would if you cared enough
>>
>>    A right move ... but doesn't entirely solve the
>>    SD-wear problem. System apps you're using a lot
>>    really MUST be moved to RAMdisk. A certain amount
>>    of the OS does wind up on its own RAMdisk, but
>>    it might not be what YOU are using a lot.
>>
>
> No system apps are in use in the sense that they are being loaded from
> disk.
>
> The are all memory resident and thats that.
>
> Three daemons, maybe four

If so, then you ought to be good.

> Apache web server plus sensor watchdog that wakes up every second, looks
> at the state of various RAMDISK based files and reads the SD based
> config files, probably from disk cache 99.99% of the time, and turns
> stuff on and off, plus an xinetd daemon that accepts input from remote
> thermometers and writes to ram disk and possibly a similar one for the
> oil sensor.
>
> And that's it.

Umm ... Apache is NOT a trival app. Does all KINDS
of things. Are those "things" also on the RAMdisk ???

A Pi running strictly in terminal mode, no GUIs/Xorg,
running just a few 'system' thingies is (relatively)
easy to deal with.

> I guess the usual cron jobs will run, vut thst so on any Pi running
> Raspios.
>
>
>>    Hey, Raspbian might be 2gb image on the SD card
>>    but yer Pi, depending on model, might not have
>>    much more RAM (or even LESS if it's a Pi-1/2).
>>    As such the WHOLE OS cannot be put into RAM.
>>    All the parts that can't, well, they get read
>>    over and over from the SD.
>
> No, they don't. Because huge swathes of the disk image contain programs
> that are *never run at all*. My pi came with for example, gcc and
> friends. Thousands of
> development header files and libraries that will never be invoked once
> the code is stable. Once running my server is currently only using 60MB
> of RAM, with 200+MB in use as disk cache. and over 100MB that isn't used
> at all!

In a sense you're correct ... maybe 95% of the OS stuff
might NEVER be used.

But you STILL have to make sure the stuff that IS used
winds up on a RAMdisk or in some RAM-based buffer. It's
not a given, you have to look/deal.

What about /proc and /sys ... they're very dynamic.
Are they REALLY all in RAM or not ? Do they ever
make use of a physical /swap partition ? Depends
on the particular distro, sometimes down to the
version/subversion levels.

In any case, there are SO many ways to implement
a Linux disto that you can never ASSUME anything.

> I am running apparently 110 separate processes. But these are all kernel
> processes for the most part, and use very little RAM or CPU. The load
> average is simply 'nothing' . In short this little Zero is completely
> overspecified for the job it does. It wont wear the card out.

Careful, some of that "use" is SO transient that it does
not show up using 'top' or other CL utilities. But it's
still 'use' ... is it in RAM, or the SD ?

> Nothing that is in the disk cache need ever be read from the disk. And
> indeed if it is written to, the OS will only periodically flush its
> buffers. Those disk caches ARE an effective ram disk protecting the SD
> card from many reads and writes.
> And  doesn't mind being read, it's writes that screw it, anyway.

"Caches", esp if they need to be quick, are almost
always in RAM.

Anyway, if you're REALLY looking to optimize, REALLY
keen to save SD wear, it's not all cut-and-dried.
A lot of this stuff is just NOT documented worth a
damm, YOU have to check and deal appropriately.
Such is The Art.

Perfectly done, an SD card might last a good decade
or more. I had one that was still happy after 7 years,
and it wasn't even top-of-the-line. But I made an
effort to make sure everything happening was on a
RAMdisk or RAM buffer. Limited needs are a big
help - a "busy" system may just be too much to
investigate or deal with.

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On 8/7/23 7:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 01:31:26 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
> <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <EuCdnXh3WrgjHE35nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
>
>> The compiler-writers have become VERY VERY good.
>> Stuff I commonly wrote in ASM on u-controllers
>> is actually smaller/faster now using 'C'. That's
>> just IMPRESSIVE.
>
> It may be true for ARM, at least for me, on Raspberry as I have no real experience writing ARM ASM.
> But a simple example for data storage on SDcard (2 GB SDcard in this case) is for example here:
> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/quadcopter/index.html
> scroll down to flywayspoints.tgz

ARM is really a CPU, not u-Controller. Different rules.

u-Controllers aren't as fast/versatile, but they DO have
a huge number of ways to control power use and, if RISC,
sneaky ways to make insanely tight code. Look up the
(mostly obsolete) PIC (f)18x series. There are VERY weird
ways to cut corners using unexpected flags and side-effects.
Hey, there were the 'c' chips before them that I used ...
the 'c' meant UV-Erasable ROM. You had to put 'em in a
box with a deadly UV tube lamp for at least 15 minutes to
start all over again. Ah that ozone smell :-)

IMHO, all in-training "programmers" should first do
u-controllers ... teaches "disciple" and the correct
mentality. Ain't gonna HAPPEN of course, to everyone's
detriment ....

> If you have only one set of data, you do not need a filesystem on the SDcard.

Correct.

However the "system" may be doing a LOT of almost-hidden
things behind your back. SOME of that may involve a lot
of read/rewrites to the SD. You have to CHECK.

> I use a Microchip PIC 18F14K22 with code in its FLASH memory
> that reads the SDcard one sector at the time.
> Example:
> You have blocks of data, one per second (for example) with GPS position, altitude, heading, etc, that easily fits in 512 bytes.

Hmmm ... almost like an app I wrote back in the day to
deal with a serial GPS receiver .......

But it was 18C chips, other makers called theirs "JW",
for "jewel window" ...

Still have the UV box ...

'PIC' means "Peripheral Interface Controller" and the IDEA
is much like how nervous systems work. Nerves pre-process
their input and "encode" it efficiently so the brain doesn't
have to do so much work. "Peripheral neuropathy" results
when those nerves don't encode properly anymore. They're
not 'dead', just 'corrupted'. Lots of quacks will promise
that shining colored lights at you (now lasers) will cure
all your ills. This bullshit can be seen even from the
mid-1800s when it became possible to make bright light.
Every color was suppose to be the cure-all for SOMETHING
and rubes payed BIG :-)

Anyway, yer brain doesn't stop at your skull, it's all one
integrated system right down to yer toes.

> So one sector per data record,
> Cards come new with some Microsoft filesystem, no need for it.
> PIC is programmed in asm, I used Philips C routines to write to a SDcard sector that I translated into PIC asm.

Did the same more recently using an Arduino. The SD just
becomes a faux-RAMdisk, no file system at all, just bytes.
OK so long as you don't change/rewrite too often.

> So that beats any 'operating system' in code size and any hardware it runs on in power consumption
> and actually if you have some experience with PIC asm in programming time.
> An no more silly libraries that change every new release causing things to no longer work.

Oh, absolutely ! u-Controllers offer all kinds of tricks
the CPU/infinite-resources crowd never thinks of.

>>> I occasionally looked at .a files on *86, and they wrote better
>>> assembler than I could.
>>
>> The old 'Dilbert' narrow-tie people WERE damned good.
>> Modern hardware with a lot more resources kind of
>> made them obsolete - any 10-year-old could write
>> adequate code then.
>>
>>> So much so that I gave up looking.
>>
>> I went to 'C' and PASCAL early on. ASM became only
>> for a handful of very weird things neither did well
>> at the time.
>
> Yes Pascal, I did some uni stuff in that, anybody still using it?
> Maybe python will go the same way.

I use Pascal all the damned time - FPC/Lazarus. Lots
of times I write protos in Python/TK and then re-write
the GUIs in Lazarus a week later. I've got a bunch of
stuff like that ... an older Python version and
better FPC/Laz version.

Pascal is super-functional and "elegant" IMHO. Love it.
'C' is super-functional, but not so "elegant" or so
obviously comprehensible.

But I can't find a Modula-3 compiler for Linux that
actually works - dammit !!! :-)

But, just to torture my successors, I write the
odd utility in FORTRAN or COBOL or ADA - yea, yea,
there's a little devil in me :-)

BTW, ADA *sucks* ...

If you want a good functional versatile GUI like *today*
you use Lazarus. WYSIWYG ! FPC is also very good for
non-GUI apps. Wrote a large one just six months ago.

Oh, the Deb repos are DEFECTIVE of late ... get Laz
from the makers. Three packages to install in order.
It's all "object PASCAL" .....

In the Bad Old Days IBM/MS offered both 'C' and
Pascal compilers (grey book for 'C', pink for Pas).
That's when I got into Pas. NOW I have old DOS VMs
*and* both compiler suites. Fun !!! "Turbo Pascal"
was an absolute revolution on PCs (8088 and Z80
early on). You could blast out apps ! Still have
my "Turbo v1.0" manual and a few others. 'Delphi'
is basically Lazarus, but JUST for Winders. It
was bought-out and became insanely expensive alas.
Laz does all the same stuff for free AND for
Linux too - x86 or ARM.

No, I'm not a salesman :-)

> This thing uses the same way to write to SDcard one record to one sector per time interval:
> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/gm_pic2/
> both the C code to read such card and the PIC asm can be downloaded from that site.

I'll check. HAVE done stuff like this, but there's
always a "better way".

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On 09/08/2023 06:28, 23k.304 wrote:
> Umm ... Apache is NOT a trival app. Does all KINDS
>   of things. Are those "things" also on the RAMdisk ???
>
Effectvely yes, Ir they are read only

Sure, it loads a PHP file or ten, but they are read only and they will
be cached, so they will have no impact on 'wearing' the SD card

The only thing apache *writes* is log files, and they are on ram disc
and the only thing that my code *writes* beyond configuration files
that are then only ever read, is also on ram disk

You seem to be under a misapprehension that reads wear out SD cards.
They dont. Only writes do. Hence the -naoatime directive,

>   A Pi running strictly in terminal mode, no GUIs/Xorg,
>   running just a few 'system' thingies is (relatively)
>   easy to deal with.

That's how I use em. They are not powerful enough for a desktop, for me,
yet.

--
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

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On 8/8/23 12:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 18:01:48 +0100) it happened The Natural
> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uar81s$2ui9t$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 07/08/2023 16:43, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:49:46 +0100) it happened The Natural
>>> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uaqspr$2skqd$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> It is better to peacefully live together with Russia
>>>>
>>>> ROFLMAO.
>>> \
>>>
>>> I do seem to remember that it was Russia that freed much of the European continent from the nazis in WW2
>>
>> No, its was the Russians who occupied the countries that Germany had
>> overrun, and committed almost identical atrocities to them.
>> They weren't freed, they just had a different slavemaster.
>
> My father was in the resistance in the Netherlands in WW2.
> He also was a journalist that wrote anti-nazi stuff.
> The Germans put him in a concentration camp.
> He was freed by the brave Russians.
>
> Occupation clear to me these days here is more by US
> The international court of justice in the Hague must now judge on some things says US
> but was not allowed to judge on US war crimes / criminals in Iraq else 'Bush would invade ' (The Netherlands).
> Talk about Mafia, the US is one.
> Just big weapons manufacturers that even supply their own people no end and kill thousand of their
> own people just for sales.
> It designed covid but as always used the far from their bed method and did the experiments in a Chinese lab,
> the same experiments that were considered too dangerous by US DOD itself.
> Faulty a mass murderer as government adviser now still not sentenced to how many lifetimes or the chair.
> So damage China, the competition. backfired now did it not!
> but then they made millions on the vaccines, those kill many too.
> Criminals they, US, are.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>>> Its better to run the world on fairy farts and unicorn horns, but it
>>>> ain't happening any time soon.
>>>
>>> It will always be one ant heap against the other, it would only change if we (humming beans)
>>> faced for example a common enemy, say for example an invader from space.
>>
>> Correct. Wars started when we stopped wandering around an hunting and
>> gathering, and started collecting food animals into enclosures.
>> It was always going to be a tough choice between collecting your own
>> animals and fencing them in, which is hard work, or simply taking over
>> someone's place where the hard work was already done, killing the owner
>> and his sons and having fun with the daughters.
>>
>> Its all perfectly rational cost benefit analysis. And the above is a
>> pretty accurate desrciption of Russian behaviour in Ukraine, by all
>> accounts.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> The only way to live peacefully with Russia is to let Russia run your
>>>> country and rip off everything you own after they have destroyed your
>>>> cities raped the women and killed all the men.
>>>
>>> Not so, using Russian gas was OK, benefitted both sides.
>> And you don't think that gas came at a price, when the *whole* of the
>> ruling party in Germany had *all* been to Moscow at the Kremlins
>> expense, with all 'entertainments' laid on and a hidden camera in every
>> room?
>>
>> And its a toss up as to whether more Republicans or more democrats are
>> in the pay of, or being blackmailed by the FSB., Or how many
>> organisations like Greenpeace, FOE, Black Lives Matter or any of the
>> rest of them are not indirectly funded and controlled by Russia? The
>> Kremlin has global aspirations and it was doing famously until it
>> started an actual hot war. Huge mistake. It had already destroyed most
>> of the West through culturual Marxism, as some people call it.
>>
>>>
>>> CIA has as mission to put petrol on any fire they can find to get the war machine going so their bosses
>>> can sell more weapons.
>>> We, in Europe, can make much better weapons than for example that F35 crap, UK had some nice VTOL fighters.
>>> But Boris was an US clown who just separated UK from Europe hurting everybody in the UK.
>>>
>>
>> You have no clue about what you are talking.
>> Boris didnt do anything except ride a political movemenjt for his own
>> career. And you cant separate the UK from Europe, we are patrt of Euripe
>> and we are Europeans.
>> What happened is that after repeatedly asking the European Union to be
>> sensible and stop taking bribes, publish their accounts and gernerallly
>> start behaving like a adult and responsible government and not a Mafia,
>> the people of the UK finally got so pissed off with them they they gave
>> them the finger and left.
>> It was never about leaving Europe - that is the canard the EU made up,
>> It was always about leaving the oppressive, utterly corrupt
>> antidemocratic and incompetent European Union.
>> And the Union has been trying to destroy Britain just like Russia is
>> trying to destroy Ukraine, for having the audacity to tell them,
>> politely to fuck off...
>>
>>>
>>>> They then move Russians in and claim 'it wants to be part of Russia'.
>>>>
>>>> I am profoundly grateful that the USA is making some cash out of this,
>>>> as much as I am profoundly grateful that its not Britain this time
>>>> standing alone,
>>>
>>> I worked for Tek when the Iraq war started, so elated they were with the extra orders killing Iraqis provided...
>>> I quit. and told them why.
>>> Before that CIA wanted me, I told them to stuff it.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, I worked for weapons companies for a while. I felt uneasy, and
>> left. They weren't saints for sure. loads of taxpayer money being
>> wasted, but we did put together some pretty good tech as well, and when
>> it comes to corruptions in the 'military industrial complex', there is
>> only one winner, an it ain't the USA, its jolly old Putinosvky and his
>> oligarchic Ripoffsky, Defraudski, and Gimmeayachtsky.
>>
>>> Without Russia good chance you English would now be speaking German :-)
>>>
>> Not at all, without UK and US help, Russia would all be speaking
>> German, and would be slightly more civilised.
>>
>> Frankly the US was incredibly stupid, Churchill tried to tell them what
>> was going on. But Roosevelt ignored him and cosied up instead to the
>> mass murderer who had killed millions of his own people, and went on to
>> kill millions more. I guess given the experience of the Native Americans
>> and black slaves, the USA felt Russia was a kindred spirit in genocide.
>>
>> As it was it wasn't until what Churchill called the 'iron curtain' came
>> down that the USA actually woke up to the fact that they looked set to
>> lose an entire market nearly as big as the USA to Russia that they
>> decided to create NATO...if Russia had trolled all the way to France -
>> and the UK didnt have the power to stop them - then there would have
>> been a perfect third Reich, just speaking Russian, that;'s all.
>>
>> And big enough to take on the USA, and win.
>>
>> "Between the early 1930s and his death in 1953, Joseph Stalin had more
>> than a million of his own citizens executed. Millions more fell victim
>> to forced labor, deportation, famine, bloody massacres, and detention
>> and interrogation by Stalin’s henchmen. Stalin’s Genocides is the
>> chilling story of these crimes. The book puts forward the important
>> argument that brutal mass killings under Stalin in the 1930s were indeed
>> acts of genocide and that the Soviet dictator himself was behind them.
>>
>> Norman Naimark, one of our most respected authorities on the Soviet era,
>> challenges the widely held notion that Stalin’s crimes do not constitute
>> genocide, which the United Nations defines as the premeditated killing
>> of a group of people because of their race, religion, or inherent
>> national qualities. In this gripping book, Naimark explains how Stalin
>> became a pitiless mass killer. He looks at the most consequential and
>> harrowing episodes of Stalin’s systematic destruction of his own
>> populace—the liquidation and repression of the so-called kulaks, the
>> Ukrainian famine, the purge of nationalities, and the Great Terror—and
>> examines them in light of other genocides in history. In addition,
>> Naimark compares Stalin’s crimes with those of the most notorious
>> genocidal killer of them all, Adolf Hitler."
>>
>> Where are the real inhabitants of Crimea? They are neither Ukrainians
>> nor Russians, they were Tatars. They were all deported or killed.
>>
>> "Crimean Tatars constituted the majority of Crimea's population from the
>> time of ethnogenesis until the mid-19th century, and the largest ethnic
>> population until the end of the 19th century. Russia attempted to purge
>> Crimean Tatars through a combination of physical violence, intimidation,
>> forced resettlement, and legalized forms of discrimination between 1783
>> and 1900. Between Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 1783 and 1800,
>> somewhere between 100,000 and 300,000 Crimean Tatars emigrated. However,
>> this did not result in the complete eradication of Crimean Tatar
>> cultural elements (at least not under the Romanov dynasty; however,
>> under the Soviets, the Crimean Tatars were almost completely driven from
>> the Crimean peninsula). Almost immediately after retaking of Crimea from
>> Axis forces, in May 1944, the USSR State Defense Committee ordered the
>> deportation of all of the Crimean Tatars from Crimea, including the
>> families of Crimean Tatars who had served in the Soviet Army. The
>> deportees were transported in trains and boxcars to Central Asia,
>> primarily to Uzbekistan. The Crimean Tatars lost 18 to 46 percent of
>> their population as a result of the deportations. Starting in 1967, a
>> few were allowed to return and in 1989 the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet
>> Union condemned the removal of Crimean Tatars from their motherland as
>> inhumane and lawless, but only a tiny percent were able to return before
>> the full right of return became policy in 1989. "
>>
>> Russia has form Jan. THAT is why we are funding Ukraine. Russia is not a
>> nice civilised country even though it had Starbucks and McDonalds in
>> Moscow, st Petersburg and Novosibirsk. It is, behind the civilised
>> veneer of its urban population, desperately backward, rural, brutal and
>> lawless, and guess who gets sent to Ukraine, Not the urban westernised
>> hipsters. The peasants and dregs from the houses with no running water
>> no electricity and no flush toilets. From Siberia. Or the Chechens.
>> Chechen Lives Don't Matter. There are as many fighting FOR Ukraine as
>> against them. Same with the Georgians. Everybody hates Russians. And for
>> really good reasons. They are ruthless selfish brutal racists, genocidal
>> psychopaths, supreme liars, corrupt from top to bottom, and have
>> absolutely no honour whatsoever. An agreement is there to be broken when
>> it suits them.
>>
>> Any decent Russian has already left.
>>
>> Do the research. Don't listen to the paid Russian trolls on the mass
>> media saying how 'Russia has a point' They don't. Russian methodology is
>> 100% incompatible with Western civilisation and values , they know it,
>> and are fighting to destroy it but we don't. We - well you - still
>> think they are decent reasonable people and can be negotiated with.
>> They cannot. Putin is a pure bred pyschopath and he is president because
>> that is what it takes to become a president in Russia. Instead of
>> merely very rich and 100% corrupt, like America. Or 100% corrupt and
>> only modestly rich, like the EU.
>>
>> We cannot negotiate with him, He will break any treaty. WE cannot regime
>> change him, because someone exactly the same would take his place. All
>> we can do is degrade his military potential and let his federation
>> collapse from within, and deal with whoever has an ounce of integrity
>> that emerges out of the chaos, and if te price of that is we have to pay
>> more for oil, well let them eat uranium instead, as some french tart
>> once said.
>
> Well that is a lot of Russofobia I'd say.
> Much of that goes for 'merrica too.
>
> Do you hide under the bed?
>
> It is true the EU government is over-reaching in some things.
> And not always doing the things that are best.
> But that goes for politicians in general.
>
> Is UK doing much better now? I think not if I read about food prices and housing there..
>
> All seems to be heading to a WW3, I expect in 2024.
>
> World population will then decrease ...


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On 8/9/23 5:53 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 09/08/2023 06:28, 23k.304 wrote:
>> Umm ... Apache is NOT a trival app. Does all KINDS
>>    of things. Are those "things" also on the RAMdisk ???
>>
> Effectvely yes, Ir they are read only
>
> Sure, it loads a PHP file or ten, but they are read only and they will
> be cached, so they will have no impact on 'wearing' the SD card
>
> The only thing apache *writes* is log files, and they are on ram disc
> and the only thing that my code *writes*  beyond configuration files
> that are then only ever read, is also on ram disk
>
> You seem to be under a misapprehension that reads wear out SD cards.
> They dont. Only writes do. Hence the -naoatime directive,
>
>
>
>>    A Pi running strictly in terminal mode, no GUIs/Xorg,
>>    running just a few 'system' thingies is (relatively)
>>    easy to deal with.
>
> That's how I use em. They are not powerful enough for a desktop, for me,
> yet.

Well, a P4 is not far off from some of the
laptops from four or five years ago ...

Use 'em right and they can offer surprising
performance.

Alas you can barely GET P4's anymore ...
no chips.

Tried Orange/Banana PI's ... Orange seems
better - and they're still quasi-affordable.
But they're both all Made In China.

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On 8/7/23 5:35 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/08/2023 05:21, 23k.304 wrote:
>> Getting an EXACT voltage output from a little "hummer" supply
>>    like that might be tricky. As said, it depends on what you're doing.
>>
>>    Oh, if you're powering direct from the mains, why CARE what
>>    the quiescent current is ? That's more for battery/solar apps.
>>    You could use a vacuum-tube based power supply  😄
>
> There are two halves to what I am building. A mains powered server in a
> box controlling stuff and accepting inputs from remote sensors and
> running a web server as a user interface for user level information and
> control, and the sensors themselves which may, and in one case must be,
> battery powered. Namely thermometers, whose response time will be in
> tens of minutes at best, and a (battery powered)  oil level sensor whose
> response can be in an hour or two.

Sounds like an 'environmental sensor' cluster I did
about five years ago - solar, and had to be cheap.
However I was using an Ard Mega which can be VERY
conservative with power. First off, pry out those
pretty LEDs :-)

> So the mains powered server, already has relays switching mains in it,
> and I  have bought a custom 'block' switched mode PSU that should run it
> ok. The Pi Zero W has its own SMPS internally to generate the 3V3 and
> 1V8 rails it needs, and will allegedly run from 1.8V to 5.5V input wise,
> and the PICO has similar, although it seems to only need 3V3.

I see what you're doing. For the server part, does it
REALLY matter if wall-warts or such are involved ? They
are cheap and there's always a ton of them around from
old dead devices ...

> So its (the PICO) fairly ideal for battery power, as long as it spends
> plenty of time *off*...

Yep - "OFF".

I'd still look into the Ards. There are 3.3v variants
to be had now if that's your thing. There's a convenient
low-power library now that helps coordinate shutting off
all the useless stuff while waiting for some signal.

> The idea is the thermometers won't *need* batteries if there is a handy
> USB power source available, but the oil sensor is not so lucky.  It must
> be battery powered.

Bummer. Be CAREFUL with batteries around flammable
stuff like "oil" though - LiPo's have a BAD rep ...

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On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Aug 2023 00:43:20 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
<23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <Oe-cnQaXFuF190n5nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:

>On 8/8/23 12:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Well that is a lot of Russofobia I'd say.
>> Much of that goes for 'merrica too.
>>
>> Do you hide under the bed?
>>
>> It is true the EU government is over-reaching in some things.
>> And not always doing the things that are best.
>> But that goes for politicians in general.
>>
>> Is UK doing much better now? I think not if I read about food prices and housing there..
>>
>> All seems to be heading to a WW3, I expect in 2024.
>>
>> World population will then decrease ...
>
>
> How big of a vodka ration does Putin provide ?
>
> Clue - BIG clue - people don't flee to Russia,

Edward Snowden

>they flee to 'western' countries/USA instead.

Western countries want cheap worker slaves.

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On 8/9/23 5:53 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 09/08/2023 06:28, 23k.304 wrote:
>> Umm ... Apache is NOT a trival app. Does all KINDS
>>    of things. Are those "things" also on the RAMdisk ???
>>
> Effectvely yes, Ir they are read only

No such thing as "read only" with SD/Flash tech.
Even reading them means re-writing them. Really !

I'd suggest FRAM, but they never got the capacity
up to scale (great for smaller stuff though).

> Sure, it loads a PHP file or ten, but they are read only and they will
> be cached, so they will have no impact on 'wearing' the SD card

DO check ... there's probably a lot of "sneak" reads/writes.

> The only thing apache *writes* is log files, and they are on ram disc
> and the only thing that my code *writes*  beyond configuration files
> that are then only ever read, is also on ram disk
>
> You seem to be under a misapprehension that reads wear out SD cards.
> They dont. Only writes do. Hence the -naoatime directive,

Wrong - look it up. Reads are DESTRUCTIVE and background
re-write is necessary afterwards.

FRAM has two or three orders of magnitude more re-write
life. Used 'em on one board where that was relevant. But ...

However, Raspbian/Deb writ for PI's IS heavily tweaked
for running all in RAM. Large bits of the OS stuff just
get moved-off into RAM rather than relying on SD.

Orange/Banana Pi's have EEMC, which is a bit difficult
to get at sometimes but you CAN shift the OS image
into there. Maybe two or three times the life of the
best SD's at least and faster.

>>    A Pi running strictly in terminal mode, no GUIs/Xorg,
>>    running just a few 'system' thingies is (relatively)
>>    easy to deal with.
>
> That's how I use em. They are not powerful enough for a desktop, for me,
> yet.

Many apps don't NEED that kind of speed - even on a
desktop. The advantage of desktops/laptops is the
CONNECTIVITY options when we're talking "industrial"
applications. WiFi/BT/IR/x-Base-T ...

Even a low-end PIC can figure out a DS one-wire
temperature sensor ... but CONVEYING that knowledge
to the outside world is the trick.

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On 8/10/23 1:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
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> <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <Oe-cnQaXFuF190n5nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
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>> On 8/8/23 12:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> Well that is a lot of Russofobia I'd say.
>>> Much of that goes for 'merrica too.
>>>
>>> Do you hide under the bed?
>>>
>>> It is true the EU government is over-reaching in some things.
>>> And not always doing the things that are best.
>>> But that goes for politicians in general.
>>>
>>> Is UK doing much better now? I think not if I read about food prices and housing there..
>>>
>>> All seems to be heading to a WW3, I expect in 2024.
>>>
>>> World population will then decrease ...
>>
>>
>> How big of a vodka ration does Putin provide ?
>>
>> Clue - BIG clue - people don't flee to Russia,
>
> Edward Snowden

No choice. Somehow I really doubt he's happy.

>> they flee to 'western' countries/USA instead.
>
> Western countries want cheap worker slaves.

Eastern countries try to convince them that
de-facto slavery is a Great Thing ....

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On 8/6/23 10:22 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 08:21:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 06/08/2023 02:45, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>> When you are looking at second hand SD cards plus postage, the cost
>> benefit analyis told me I should pay the money for whatever was the
>> current best price on new stuff , with plenty of life left, from the
>> same shop that was shipping me the Pi. To leverage the postage. and that
>> turns out to be 16GB. Why, I don't have a clue. I could ask an old
>> college friend who used to work designing NAND flash in California, but
>> I am not sure I give a rat's arse why.
>>
>> Again, you asses a situation and what you want, and work out the least
>> cost and effort to arrive at that target. If I could get 2GB cards at 5
>> for £10 I'd use those, But I cant.
>>
>> I was interested because I don't remember ever having an SD card for my
>> ancient camera that was that small (256MB).
>
> I use 8GB Samsung in my cameras and flight recorders. If you buy branded
> cards from brands that are known the own their own chip fab, then you're
> less likely to end up with some chunk of junk with memory to hold just a
> fraction of its advertised capacity.

At present, Samsung is The Best.

Somewhere, maybe deep, there'll be code to get
the most out of their devices.

Shit, I bought a Epson scanner - one of those
ones that just looks like a bar - took me like
six hours of digging to find a minimal app
for Linux. 99.99% of the site said no such thing
existed, but we have Fellow Travelers embedded
everywhere .....

As for cheapo cameras ... I once found a $7.95 cam
on a drugstore shelf. Absolutely HORRIBLE - could
barely manage 200-by. However, "artistically", the
sheer crappiness DID produce some interesting
results :-)

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On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Aug 2023 02:01:16 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
<23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <kf-dnWvP1JCx4En5nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com>:

>On 8/10/23 1:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Aug 2023 00:43:20 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
>> <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <Oe-cnQaXFuF190n5nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
>>
>>> On 8/8/23 12:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> Well that is a lot of Russofobia I'd say.
>>>> Much of that goes for 'merrica too.
>>>>
>>>> Do you hide under the bed?
>>>>
>>>> It is true the EU government is over-reaching in some things.
>>>> And not always doing the things that are best.
>>>> But that goes for politicians in general.
>>>>
>>>> Is UK doing much better now? I think not if I read about food prices and housing there..
>>>>
>>>> All seems to be heading to a WW3, I expect in 2024.
>>>>
>>>> World population will then decrease ...
>>>
>>>
>>> How big of a vodka ration does Putin provide ?
>>>
>>> Clue - BIG clue - people don't flee to Russia,
>>
>> Edward Snowden
>
> No choice. Somehow I really doubt he's happy.
>
>>> they flee to 'western' countries/USA instead.
>>
>> Western countries want cheap worker slaves.
>
> Eastern countries try to convince them that
> de-facto slavery is a Great Thing ....

In fact 'slavery' is a relative thing
Are our gut bacteria / microbes our slaves?
We feed them they provide us with energy
Its nature.

Same everywhere in nature.
People will migrate to where they think it will help them.
Maybe Russia is a bit too cold for the black Africans
or too many other countries in between when they can get what they want in Europe just a small boat trip away,
used to get you a room in a nice hotel in the UK...
Language is an other factor that counts.

I have never been to Russia myself, been to East Germany before and after the wall fell though.
Life was not bad or people unhappy there as far as I remember.
Did read these days people in East Germany are payed less .. housing, did things REALLY improve after the wall fell?
Products? I had a nice Werra 35 mm photo camera made in East Germany, color TV set too, transistor portable TVs.
Many things from the US are crap these days, not even counting that F35 disaster.
I have a Whirlpool washing machine (US), and laundry drier, good thing I am experienced in electronics
the washing machine broke down in the guarantee, power switcher design error, was fixed (new board),
then it broke down again a bit later, as did the laundry drier...
Got some spare parts from ebay, think I now used the last ones... Put some protection circuit against mains spikes in the thing.
so far still working... water was leaking into the electronics too.
not to mention all the other US crap like Teslas catching fire...
China is cheaper and most stuff from ebay from China just works, not perfect but good enough
like my sat receivers, short wave radio, mutimeters, keyboard and mouse, lights, wallwarts, battery chargers, solar panels,
(just looking around), drones, cameras, OLED and LCD displays,..
No wonder US is afraid of China, no way can they compete.
But their Microchip PICs are OK :-)

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On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Aug 2023 02:15:37 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
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>>
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>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
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>>> benefit analyis told me I should pay the money for whatever was the
>>> current best price on new stuff , with plenty of life left, from the
>>> same shop that was shipping me the Pi. To leverage the postage. and that
>>> turns out to be 16GB. Why, I don't have a clue. I could ask an old
>>> college friend who used to work designing NAND flash in California, but
>>> I am not sure I give a rat's arse why.
>>>
>>> Again, you asses a situation and what you want, and work out the least
>>> cost and effort to arrive at that target. If I could get 2GB cards at 5
>>> for £10 I'd use those, But I cant.
>>>
>>> I was interested because I don't remember ever having an SD card for my
>>> ancient camera that was that small (256MB).
>>
>> I use 8GB Samsung in my cameras and flight recorders. If you buy branded
>> cards from brands that are known the own their own chip fab, then you're
>> less likely to end up with some chunk of junk with memory to hold just a
>> fraction of its advertised capacity.
>
> At present, Samsung is The Best.
>
> Somewhere, maybe deep, there'll be code to get
> the most out of their devices.
>
> Shit, I bought a Epson scanner - one of those
> ones that just looks like a bar - took me like
> six hours of digging to find a minimal app
> for Linux. 99.99% of the site said no such thing
> existed, but we have Fellow Travelers embedded
> everywhere .....
>
> As for cheapo cameras ... I once found a $7.95 cam
> on a drugstore shelf. Absolutely HORRIBLE - could
> barely manage 200-by. However, "artistically", the
> sheer crappiness DID produce some interesting
> results :-)

Cameras are an interesting thing
I worked in broadcasting over time with anything from orthicons (BW) to vidicons to plumbicons...
Designed and build my own portable vidicon camera back in 1968.
Canons I have, good lenses.
But then I bought a Xiaomi smartphone for only 140 Euro or so a few years back.
Took some pictures with it...
Amazing.
I leave the Canon at home now... For technical pictures.
I have not used the scanner since win 95? Linux had indeed no driver.
I do have an old MS Windows boot option on a very old PC just for the scanner,
but the Canon A470 and IXUS do just as well.
The Xiaomi is OK too.
Photographed hundreds of pages of pencil drawn circuit diagrams I designed with that Canon IXUS.
Amazing how much goes on a small SDcard and then backup to a 4 TB drive :-)

I once counted how may cameras I have ... 26? 6 running 24/7.
The small Sony super-HADs are nice, not high resolution but good night vision, in IR too I found out
http://www.camera-module.com/product/others/700tvl-ahd-security-camera-sony-960h-ccd-sensor.html
0.01 Lux...
And of course that Raspberry IR camera module I have here too
https://panteltje.nl/pub/MKX90640_FLIR_IXIMG_0778.JPG
very low resolution, but I wrote some software for it:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html#xflir

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 10 Aug 2023 10:12 UTC

On 10/08/2023 06:41, 23k.304 wrote:
> No such thing as "read only" with SD/Flash tech.
>   Even reading them means re-writing them. Really !

I believe that to be completely wrong.

And unless you can provide some sort of evidence to back up that
assertion, I have to say I consider it utter bollocks

--
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guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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 by: Dennis Lee Bieber - Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:10 UTC

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 02:44:46 -0400, "23k.304" <23k304@bfxw9.net> declaimed
the following:

>
>
> ARM is really a CPU, not u-Controller. Different rules.
>

M-series chips fill the role of microcontroller meant to run without an
OS (or something like FreeRTOS) direct from flash memory; the A-series
(application) are meant to be OS-based computer systems with complicated
boot sequences <G> (just look at most R-Pi systems -- where the /graphics
processor/ is used to configure the ARM memory map before turning over
control).

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On 10.8.2023 8.41, 23k.304 wrote:
> On 8/9/23 5:53 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> Effectvely yes, Ir they are read only
>
>
>   No such thing as "read only" with SD/Flash tech.
>   Even reading them means re-writing them. Really !

You're confusing Flash technology with magnetic core memory
technology used about 50 years ago. A core must be reset
to zero to see if there was an one, and the possible one
has to be written back.

--

-TV

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 by: Rich - Thu, 10 Aug 2023 19:13 UTC

In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/08/2023 06:41, 23k.304 wrote:
>> No such thing as "read only" with SD/Flash tech.
>>   Even reading them means re-writing them. Really !
>
> I believe that to be completely wrong.

It is, at least as a general statement in regards to flash memory.
There may be /some/ flash "drives" (used generically to refer to SD and
SATA disks) where if the controller detects an issue with the read, it
may decide to reallocate the data to another set of flash cells.

> And unless you can provide some sort of evidence to back up that
> assertion, I have to say I consider it utter bollocks

Consider the source....

I suspect he has mixed up flash technology with DRAM technology, where
reading a row from DRAM does indeed cause a rewrite of the capacitors
in that row because readout in DRAM actually lowers the charge on the
storage capacitors.

Flash operates differently and reads do not weaken the stored charge on
the flash floating gates.

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 by: 23k.304 - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 05:45 UTC

On 8/10/23 3:10 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Aug 2023 02:01:16 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
> <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <kf-dnWvP1JCx4En5nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
>
>> On 8/10/23 1:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Aug 2023 00:43:20 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
>>> <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <Oe-cnQaXFuF190n5nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 8/8/23 12:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> Well that is a lot of Russofobia I'd say.
>>>>> Much of that goes for 'merrica too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you hide under the bed?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is true the EU government is over-reaching in some things.
>>>>> And not always doing the things that are best.
>>>>> But that goes for politicians in general.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is UK doing much better now? I think not if I read about food prices and housing there..
>>>>>
>>>>> All seems to be heading to a WW3, I expect in 2024.
>>>>>
>>>>> World population will then decrease ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How big of a vodka ration does Putin provide ?
>>>>
>>>> Clue - BIG clue - people don't flee to Russia,
>>>
>>> Edward Snowden
>>
>> No choice. Somehow I really doubt he's happy.
>>
>>>> they flee to 'western' countries/USA instead.
>>>
>>> Western countries want cheap worker slaves.
>>
>> Eastern countries try to convince them that
>> de-facto slavery is a Great Thing ....
>
> In fact 'slavery' is a relative thing
> Are our gut bacteria / microbes our slaves?
> We feed them they provide us with energy
> Its nature.
>
> Same everywhere in nature.
> People will migrate to where they think it will help them.
> Maybe Russia is a bit too cold for the black Africans
> or too many other countries in between when they can get what they want in Europe just a small boat trip away,
> used to get you a room in a nice hotel in the UK...
> Language is an other factor that counts.
>
> I have never been to Russia myself, been to East Germany before and after the wall fell though.
> Life was not bad or people unhappy there as far as I remember.
> Did read these days people in East Germany are payed less .. housing, did things REALLY improve after the wall fell?
> Products? I had a nice Werra 35 mm photo camera made in East Germany, color TV set too, transistor portable TVs.
> Many things from the US are crap these days, not even counting that F35 disaster.
> I have a Whirlpool washing machine (US), and laundry drier, good thing I am experienced in electronics
> the washing machine broke down in the guarantee, power switcher design error, was fixed (new board),
> then it broke down again a bit later, as did the laundry drier...
> Got some spare parts from ebay, think I now used the last ones... Put some protection circuit against mains spikes in the thing.
> so far still working... water was leaking into the electronics too.
> not to mention all the other US crap like Teslas catching fire...
> China is cheaper and most stuff from ebay from China just works, not perfect but good enough
> like my sat receivers, short wave radio, mutimeters, keyboard and mouse, lights, wallwarts, battery chargers, solar panels,
> (just looking around), drones, cameras, OLED and LCD displays,..
> No wonder US is afraid of China, no way can they compete.
> But their Microchip PICs are OK :-)
>

Ah, obfuscation ....

Is that in the FSB handbook ? Surely !

Piss off.

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 by: 23k.304 - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 05:58 UTC

On 8/7/23 4:49 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/08/2023 15:45, Pancho wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 22:14, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:23:21 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:36:08 +0100 Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was actually surprised at how fast the new Ryzen was. Maybe it is
>>>>> time to buy a new PC.
>>>>
>>>>     I haven't done that in a long time. I used to buy parts and make
>>>> them but these days I buy "refurbished"* ex-corporate machines which
>>>> are
>>>> cheap and far better made than the typical consumer PC.
>>>>
>>>> * Read cleaned, OS reinstalled and stripped of asset tags.
>>>
>>> It may well be worth looking at getting a new PC.
>>>
>>> Since around 2005 my house server was a Dual Athlon PC in a noname case
>>> and not new when I got it in 2005 and has had at least two new disks
>>> (bog
>>> standard WD 500MB blue) since then.
>>
>> I think it all depends, what you want. If you don't already have a PC
>> less than 10 years old, then second-hand deals are good.
>>
>> In most respects I found a 10-year-old 2500K, OK to use. Up until a
>> couple of years ago it was my desktop, then its graphics card broke,
>> and it got relegated to HTPC, it wasn't so good at that. I've just
>> replaced it with an Orange Pi 5, with caveats, the Orange Pi 5 is
>> better as a TV computer. The Orange Pi 5 was cheap. I've also bought a
>> couple of low power new NUC types for about £200, for relatives, e.g.
>> Intel N5150, they are generally happy with them.
>>
>> Mainly I've been interested in small low wattage PCs, it is only
>> recently that they have been quicker than my old 2500K. The new big
>> desktops were quick, but not that much quicker, maybe twice as fast,
>> for a reasonable price. Now, the Ryzen 5 7600 is looking to be 3-4
>> times as fast, single thread, more than 3-4 multi thread. Which might
>> be noticeable, for me, I don't know. Without having one, it is hard to
>> know.
>>
> Its been a few years now, since I felt my machines were too slow for the
> job they were doing.
>
> I accept that people doing video editing or shooting up 3D aliens in
> unlikely scenarios may need more, but I don't.
>
> I am more replacing now to lower power consumption, although even that
> is not 100% wasted as the computers heat this room in winter.

Modern machines are INSANELY FAST. We older players
are particularly aware of that. We remember the 4004's
and 8008s's - (found an AD for an 8008 system the other
day ! Why, you could even do MORSE CODE with it ! Just
toggle those panel switches over and over to enter the
binary instructions one at a time :-)

Been there, done that.

The only people who need an overclocked i9 with the
latest NVIDIA product are obsessive GAMERS. Yes, they
have their place and DO drive tech, but .......

A fuckin Raspberry Pi would have been considered a
SUPERCOMPUTER back in the 70s.

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On 8/10/23 12:10 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 02:44:46 -0400, "23k.304" <23k304@bfxw9.net> declaimed
> the following:
>
>>
>>
>> ARM is really a CPU, not u-Controller. Different rules.
>>
>
> M-series chips fill the role of microcontroller meant to run without an
> OS (or something like FreeRTOS) direct from flash memory; the A-series
> (application) are meant to be OS-based computer systems with complicated
> boot sequences <G> (just look at most R-Pi systems -- where the /graphics
> processor/ is used to configure the ARM memory map before turning over
> control).

I tend to separate "CPU"s from "u-Controllers". They
are really different "concepts", aimed at different
universes.

u-Controllers offer VERY fine-grained control ... but
not much "performance" in the conventional sense. They
are for interacting with the often-messy Real World.

In THIS context, you CAN basically turn OFF a u-Controller
chip - no power used except waiting for a signal on an
interrupt pin. You can run the clockspeed down to almost
nothing (actually nothing on some). You can't do that
with "CPU"s. Different worlds. Different apps.

Epson did, I think still, sells 4-bit u-Controllers.
They're mostly meant for coin-cell devices like remote
controls and thermostats and such and you have to order
like 100,000 at a time. However, if you read the docs,
they are just FANTASTICALLY versatile - endless tricks
you can use to cope with Real World needs. 4-bits really
CAN be more than enough.

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On a sunny day (Fri, 11 Aug 2023 01:45:58 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
<23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <M6qdnRMgFrOLVkj5nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:

>On 8/10/23 3:10 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Aug 2023 02:01:16 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
>> <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <kf-dnWvP1JCx4En5nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
>>
>>> On 8/10/23 1:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 10 Aug 2023 00:43:20 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
>>>> <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <Oe-cnQaXFuF190n5nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/23 12:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>> Well that is a lot of Russofobia I'd say.
>>>>>> Much of that goes for 'merrica too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you hide under the bed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is true the EU government is over-reaching in some things.
>>>>>> And not always doing the things that are best.
>>>>>> But that goes for politicians in general.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is UK doing much better now? I think not if I read about food prices and housing there..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All seems to be heading to a WW3, I expect in 2024.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> World population will then decrease ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How big of a vodka ration does Putin provide ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Clue - BIG clue - people don't flee to Russia,
>>>>
>>>> Edward Snowden
>>>
>>> No choice. Somehow I really doubt he's happy.
>>>
>>>>> they flee to 'western' countries/USA instead.
>>>>
>>>> Western countries want cheap worker slaves.
>>>
>>> Eastern countries try to convince them that
>>> de-facto slavery is a Great Thing ....
>>
>> In fact 'slavery' is a relative thing
>> Are our gut bacteria / microbes our slaves?
>> We feed them they provide us with energy
>> Its nature.
>>
>> Same everywhere in nature.
>> People will migrate to where they think it will help them.
>> Maybe Russia is a bit too cold for the black Africans
>> or too many other countries in between when they can get what they want in Europe just a small boat trip away,
>> used to get you a room in a nice hotel in the UK...
>> Language is an other factor that counts.
>>
>> I have never been to Russia myself, been to East Germany before and after the wall fell though.
>> Life was not bad or people unhappy there as far as I remember.
>> Did read these days people in East Germany are payed less .. housing, did things REALLY improve after the wall fell?
>> Products? I had a nice Werra 35 mm photo camera made in East Germany, color TV set too, transistor portable TVs.
>> Many things from the US are crap these days, not even counting that F35 disaster.
>> I have a Whirlpool washing machine (US), and laundry drier, good thing I am experienced in electronics
>> the washing machine broke down in the guarantee, power switcher design error, was fixed (new board),
>> then it broke down again a bit later, as did the laundry drier...
>> Got some spare parts from ebay, think I now used the last ones... Put some protection circuit against mains spikes in the
>> thing.
>> so far still working... water was leaking into the electronics too.
>> not to mention all the other US crap like Teslas catching fire...
>> China is cheaper and most stuff from ebay from China just works, not perfect but good enough
>> like my sat receivers, short wave radio, mutimeters, keyboard and mouse, lights, wallwarts, battery chargers, solar panels,
>> (just looking around), drones, cameras, OLED and LCD displays,..
>> No wonder US is afraid of China, no way can they compete.
>> But their Microchip PICs are OK :-)
>>
>
> Ah, obfuscation ....
>
> Is that in the FSB handbook ? Surely !
>
> Piss off.

Poor guy, I have to admit your US brainwasher did work!

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 by: 23k.304 - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 06:55 UTC

On 8/10/23 6:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/08/2023 06:41, 23k.304 wrote:
>> No such thing as "read only" with SD/Flash tech.
>>    Even reading them means re-writing them. Really !
>
> I believe that to be completely wrong.

Look it up. I don't have time to do all your research.

YOU don't do the re-write, the logic for that
it is built into the flash device, hidden in the
background. Reading kinda blanks what's there,
and then it has to be re-writ.

>
> And unless you can provide some sort of evidence to back up that
> assertion, I have to say I consider it utter bollocks

Well, have fun with the bollocks ...

I was there long before any of this tech was
invented, learned the good AND bad. A lot of
the bad has been *disappeared* of late ...

IF your needs are small enough, under 256kb
or so, with u-controller apps, then look into
FRAM rather than "flash". Oh, it's a lot FASTER
too, no waiting cycles for R/W.

"Flash" is not just some dumb memory chip despite
how it tries to present itself to the user, it
has a CONTROLLER. One function is "wear-leveling"
but another underlying function is the "re-write
on read" aspect.

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On 8/10/23 3:13 PM, Rich wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/08/2023 06:41, 23k.304 wrote:
>>> No such thing as "read only" with SD/Flash tech.
>>>   Even reading them means re-writing them. Really !
>>
>> I believe that to be completely wrong.
>
> It is, at least as a general statement in regards to flash memory.
> There may be /some/ flash "drives" (used generically to refer to SD and
> SATA disks) where if the controller detects an issue with the read, it
> may decide to reallocate the data to another set of flash cells.
>
>> And unless you can provide some sort of evidence to back up that
>> assertion, I have to say I consider it utter bollocks
>
> Consider the source....
>
> I suspect he has mixed up flash technology with DRAM technology, where
> reading a row from DRAM

I am well aware of how DRAM works ... I was in
the biz BEFORE DRAM. Ah, SRAM ... so much
nicer to deal with. They couldn't scale it
up alas.

"Flash" is a "smart device". It has a controller.
One function is "wear-leveling", but another is
"rewrite on read". YOU never see this stuff.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 08:02 UTC

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 01:58:15 -0400
"23k.304" <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote:

> A fuckin Raspberry Pi would have been considered a
> SUPERCOMPUTER back in the 70s.

Or even quit a lot later (into the 90s), I did see a claim that a
PI4 can emulate a Cray 1 faster than the real thing.

Most people walk around carrying pocket supercomputers with more
display pixels than a 1980s terminal room, better sound reproduction than a
top end 1980s record deck, a ridiculously good camera and more internet
bandwidth than Ireland had in 1995. They sometimes unthinkingly leave them
behind or even *drop* them.

Not one of the science fiction books I own (many of them now set in
the past) saw that one coming - computer power has become so cheap and
ubiquitous that it's invisible to most people.

Now consider this - there are companies (many of them) who buy
commodity storage clusters consisting of many (over a hundred is not
unusual) nodes each with around a quarter petabyte of SSDs, half a terabyte
of RAM and multiple 100 Gb network ports on each node all seeing a common
distributed filesystem. There are even a few outfits who have regular orders
for kit like this and the biggest players don't buy these products they make
their own.

That's just one corner of the business. The outfits that sell CPU
and GPU resources are filling racks with extremely high density computing
power - several hundred cores and a few terabytes of RAM in every 2U slot.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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