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* Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?Enno Borgsteede
+* Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?Big Al
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|`- Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?Enno Borgsteede
+* Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?Syber Shock
|`* Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?Enno Borgsteede
| `* Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?Heinz Schmitz
|  `- Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?Enno Borgsteede
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 `* Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?Enno Borgsteede
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Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?

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 by: Enno Borgsteede - Wed, 18 Oct 2023 12:56 UTC

When I use the Gramps genealogy program on LMDE 5, and have a tree
loaded, the Database Manager shows an open folder icon next to the
active tree.

When I do the same on LMDE 6 or Mint 21.2 (Cinnamon or MATE), I don't
see that icon but a small rectangle with 3 vague lines in it, which
suggest that current font does not support that specific icon.

Any idea how to fix this?

Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?

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Subject: Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?
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 by: Big Al - Wed, 18 Oct 2023 14:14 UTC

On 10/18/23 08:56 AM, this is what Enno Borgsteede wrote:
> When I use the Gramps genealogy program on LMDE 5, and have a tree loaded, the Database Manager shows an open folder
> icon next to the active tree.
>
> When I do the same on LMDE 6 or Mint 21.2 (Cinnamon or MATE), I don't see that icon but a small rectangle with 3 vague
> lines in it, which suggest that current font does not support that specific icon.
>
> Any idea how to fix this?
>
Are you using the same icon set in each OS?
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Al

Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?

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 by: Enno Borgsteede - Wed, 18 Oct 2023 15:05 UTC

Op 18-10-2023 om 16:14 schreef Big Al:
> On 10/18/23 08:56 AM, this is what Enno Borgsteede wrote:
>> When I use the Gramps genealogy program on LMDE 5, and have a tree
>> loaded, the Database Manager shows an open folder icon next to the
>> active tree.
>>
>> When I do the same on LMDE 6 or Mint 21.2 (Cinnamon or MATE), I don't
>> see that icon but a small rectangle with 3 vague lines in it, which
>> suggest that current font does not support that specific icon.
>>
>> Any idea how to fix this?
>>
> Are you using the same icon set in each OS?

I did use the standard theme, which is different, but when I switch Mint
21.2 to the same, which is Mint-Y-Aqua, it doesn't help.

I also know from the source code that the icon name is 'document-open',
and when I look for that in /usr/share/icons, it is available in both OS
versions.

Moreover, when I use a Python test program that shows a large number of
standard icons defined by freedesktop.org, the icon is shown on Mint
21.2 and LMDE 6.

Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?

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 by: Syber Shock - Wed, 18 Oct 2023 15:05 UTC

On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 14:56:19 +0200
Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gmail.com> wrote:

> When I use the Gramps genealogy program on LMDE 5, and have a tree
> loaded, the Database Manager shows an open folder icon next to the
> active tree.
>
> When I do the same on LMDE 6 or Mint 21.2 (Cinnamon or MATE), I don't
> see that icon but a small rectangle with 3 vague lines in it, which
> suggest that current font does not support that specific icon.
>
> Any idea how to fix this?

As an aside, what other Linux-compatible software tools would you
recommend for genealogy? I have Gramps, Lifelines, and GeneWeb. I'm on
the lookout for new utilities and resources.

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 by: Syber Shock - Wed, 18 Oct 2023 15:03 UTC

On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 14:56:19 +0200
Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gmail.com> wrote:

> When I use the Gramps genealogy program on LMDE 5, and have a tree
> loaded, the Database Manager shows an open folder icon next to the
> active tree.
>
> When I do the same on LMDE 6 or Mint 21.2 (Cinnamon or MATE), I don't
> see that icon but a small rectangle with 3 vague lines in it, which
> suggest that current font does not support that specific icon.
>
> Any idea how to fix this?

You might try this on each machine then compare the generated lists for
fonts missing on the other machine:

$> find . /usr/share/fonts/ | while read line ; \
do basename "$line" ; done | sort -u >> ~/temp.font.list

$> find ~/.fonts | while read line ; do basename "$line" ; \
done | sort -u >> ~/temp.font.list

$> cat ~/temp.font.list | sort -u

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 by: Enno Borgsteede - Wed, 18 Oct 2023 16:43 UTC

Op 18-10-2023 om 17:05 schreef Syber Shock:

> As an aside, what other Linux-compatible software tools would you
> recommend for genealogy? I have Gramps, Lifelines, and GeneWeb. I'm on
> the lookout for new utilities and resources.

You may try Ancestris

https://www.ancestris.org/index.html

but I don't like it, because it needs huge amounts of memory for a large
tree, like my Charlemagne reference tree, which has more than 600,000
persons. And with huge, I mean gigabytes.

If you don't mind a little cheating with Wine, RootsMagic is a good
choice. It works quite well with Wine versions up to 7, with only two
tweaks, which are installing the native Windows GDI plus, using
winetricks, and setting the Windows version to 10.

Wine 8 is a mess, so if you use LMDE 6, where 8 is the default, you need
to install Wine 7 using the instructions on the Wine HQ site, and tell
the update checker to ignore 8, when needed.

I use Gramps because it's the best choice in my language, better than
most of the programs made here in The Netherlands.

Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?

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 by: Enno Borgsteede - Thu, 19 Oct 2023 10:35 UTC

Op 18-10-2023 om 17:03 schreef Syber Shock:

> You might try this on each machine then compare the generated lists for
> fonts missing on the other machine:
>
> $> find . /usr/share/fonts/ | while read line ; \
> do basename "$line" ; done | sort -u >> ~/temp.font.list
>
> $> find ~/.fonts | while read line ; do basename "$line" ; \
> done | sort -u >> ~/temp.font.list
>
> $> cat ~/temp.font.list | sort -u

I tried that, after fixing the 1st find, and the differences that I see
don't really explain the symptoms, meaning that the ubuntu font used by
Gramps is available in both LMDE 5 and Mint 21.2 MATE.

Do you have any experience with Gtk and Python?

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 by: Syber Shock - Thu, 19 Oct 2023 15:16 UTC

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 12:35:13 +0200
Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gmail.com> wrote:

> Op 18-10-2023 om 17:03 schreef Syber Shock:
>
> > You might try this on each machine then compare the generated lists
> > for fonts missing on the other machine:
> >
> > $> find . /usr/share/fonts/ | while read line ; \
> > do basename "$line" ; done | sort -u >> ~/temp.font.list
> >
> > $> find ~/.fonts | while read line ; do basename "$line" ; \
> > done | sort -u >> ~/temp.font.list
> >
> > $> cat ~/temp.font.list | sort -u
>
> I tried that, after fixing the 1st find, and the differences that I
> see don't really explain the symptoms, meaning that the ubuntu font
> used by Gramps is available in both LMDE 5 and Mint 21.2 MATE.
>
> Do you have any experience with Gtk and Python?

You're better off filing a bug report with the Gramps maintainer.

Bug tracker: https://gramps-project.org/bugs/my_view_page.php

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 by: Enno Borgsteede - Thu, 19 Oct 2023 20:23 UTC

Op 19-10-2023 om 17:16 schreef Syber Shock:

>> I tried that, after fixing the 1st find, and the differences that I
>> see don't really explain the symptoms, meaning that the ubuntu font
>> used by Gramps is available in both LMDE 5 and Mint 21.2 MATE.
>>
>> Do you have any experience with Gtk and Python?
>
> You're better off filing a bug report with the Gramps maintainer.

I did that already, but the number of users complaining is quite small,
meaning that I seem to be the only one.

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 by: Heinz Schmitz - Sat, 21 Oct 2023 08:27 UTC

Enno Borgsteede wrote:

>...
>I use Gramps because it's the best choice in my language, better than
>most of the programs made here in The Netherlands.

From what I saw: Not the data is the problem with genealogy-(and
-tree)-software, but the presentation on screen and print, and the
ease or difficulty of navigating in there. I haven't found one being
satisfying in that respect, apart from the old paper and pencil.

Regards,
H.

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 by: Enno Borgsteede - Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:00 UTC

Op 21-10-2023 om 10:27 schreef Heinz Schmitz:

> From what I saw: Not the data is the problem with genealogy-(and
> -tree)-software, but the presentation on screen and print, and the
> ease or difficulty of navigating in there. I haven't found one being
> satisfying in that respect, apart from the old paper and pencil.

Well, Gramps is quite flexible, with lots of different presentations,
where sources, citations, locations, and events can have the same amount
of screen space as the usual entities, like persons. That's what gives
me a lot of insight, even if it doesn't have the type of navigation that
seems to be standard in the Windows programs that I know.

At the same time, I know that you have a lot of choice between German
made programs, way more than I have with Dutch ones. Maybe some of those
work well in Wine.

Have you tried Ancestris?

Re: Anyone using Gramps on LMDE 6 or Lint 21.2?

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 by: Enno Borgsteede - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 19:46 UTC

Op 18-10-2023 om 16:14 schreef Big Al:

> Are you using the same icon set in each OS?

No, and it didn't seem to be necessary. But in the mean time I learned
that switching themes helps, because in this case, I need a theme that
has the document-open icon, a.k.a. document-open.png

And this is where it gets weird, because in both LMDE 5 and 6, this file
only exists in 4 folders inside /usr/share/icons, which are gnome,
Adwaita, HighContrast, and Mint-X, and the default theme is Mint-Y-Aqua
on LMDE 5, where the icon is visible. And I didn't understand that until
I read the header of the index.theme file on LMDE 5, which says:

[Icon Theme]
Name=Mint-Y-Aqua
Inherits=Mint-Y,Adwaita,gnome,hicolor
Comment=Icon theme built for Linux Mint. Uses elements of Vibrancy and Moka.

And there I saw that it inherits from two themes that have the icon,
which explains why it works there, sort of.

And I say sort of, because the file on LMDE 6 has the same header, and
on that, the icon does not load when I select Mint-Y-Aqua.

What I did notice is, that on LMDE 6, there is no icon-theme.cache file
inside /usr/share/icons/Mint-Y-Aqua, and that does exist in LMDE 5. And
in fact, in LMDE 6, I only found one such file, for the hicolor theme.

And that suggests that I may need to create that cache to get things
right, because I found dozens of such cache files in LMDE 5.

Could that be the right cure?

Regards,

Enno

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