Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:17:36 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?

Sure.

Have a still off topic thing: My old computer I used a main computer until
the turn of last year is now merely a server (mail, web and stuff), and
will be 10 years old December 27. It also runs a Linux distribution I
installed two years before on a different machine which soon died, moved
its hard disk over to the soon 10 year old machine.
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 20:33:00 -0500
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:17:36 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >
> > Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>
> Sure.
>
> Have a still off topic thing: My old computer I used a main computer until
> the turn of last year is now merely a server (mail, web and stuff), and
> will be 10 years old December 27. It also runs a Linux distribution I
> installed two years before on a different machine which soon died, moved
> its hard disk over to the soon 10 year old machine.

My (Dell) PC Bios has 'copyright 1990-2004'

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On 2022-11-08, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:17:36 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>
> Sure.
>
> Have a still off topic thing: My old computer I used a main computer until
> the turn of last year is now merely a server (mail, web and stuff), and
> will be 10 years old December 27. It also runs a Linux distribution I
> installed two years before on a different machine which soon died, moved
> its hard disk over to the soon 10 year old machine.

The Lenovo T410 I'm writing this on was released in 2010. I bought
it refurbished several years ago for $350. It runs Debian Bullseye
(the current stable release), with Windows XP under VirtualBox.
It does everything I need it to do - and has a wonderful keyboard.
What more could I want?

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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-11-08, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:17:36 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> Have a still off topic thing: My old computer I used a main computer until
>> the turn of last year is now merely a server (mail, web and stuff), and
>> will be 10 years old December 27. It also runs a Linux distribution I
>> installed two years before on a different machine which soon died, moved
>> its hard disk over to the soon 10 year old machine.
>
> The Lenovo T410 I'm writing this on was released in 2010. I bought
> it refurbished several years ago for $350. It runs Debian Bullseye
> (the current stable release), with Windows XP under VirtualBox.
> It does everything I need it to do - and has a wonderful keyboard.
> What more could I want?
>

Mine is probably more than 10. I’m starting to think about getting a new
one, it’s starting to get a bit sluggish.

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 19:59:15 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> On 2022-11-08, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:17:36 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> Have a still off topic thing: My old computer I used a main computer until
>> the turn of last year is now merely a server (mail, web and stuff), and
>> will be 10 years old December 27. It also runs a Linux distribution I
>> installed two years before on a different machine which soon died, moved
>> its hard disk over to the soon 10 year old machine.
>
> The Lenovo T410 I'm writing this on was released in 2010. I bought
> it refurbished several years ago for $350. It runs Debian Bullseye
> (the current stable release), with Windows XP under VirtualBox.
> It does everything I need it to do - and has a wonderful keyboard.
> What more could I want?

Probably more RAM.
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Mine is probably more than 10. I’m starting to think about getting a new
> one, it’s starting to get a bit sluggish.

Yah, I retired my Thinkpad X201 this year which is about 2010
vintage. Dual cores, 2.4 GHz, 6 GB RAM, SSD. Now too slow to render web
pages and the replacement battery I bought is a poor fit. Some keys on
the keyboard were getting a little mushy. Also its slow wifi and USB has
been a pain for a long time already. The 3G modem was never that good
either.

On 11/8/2022 1:59 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2022-11-08, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:17:36 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> Have a still off topic thing: My old computer I used a main computer until
>> the turn of last year is now merely a server (mail, web and stuff), and
>> will be 10 years old December 27. It also runs a Linux distribution I
>> installed two years before on a different machine which soon died, moved
>> its hard disk over to the soon 10 year old machine.
>
> The Lenovo T410 I'm writing this on was released in 2010. I bought
> it refurbished several years ago for $350. It runs Debian Bullseye
> (the current stable release), with Windows XP under VirtualBox.
> It does everything I need it to do - and has a wonderful keyboard.
> What more could I want?
>

Whatever "more" you possibly could want... you'd probably be *far*
better off *not* having!!! Oh... maybe you meant only in terms of
computer software. ;-)
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On 11/9/2022 3:36 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Mine is probably more than 10. I’m starting to think about getting a new
>> one, it’s starting to get a bit sluggish.
>
> Yah, I retired my Thinkpad X201 this year which is about 2010
> vintage. Dual cores, 2.4 GHz, 6 GB RAM, SSD. Now too slow to render web
> pages and the replacement battery I bought is a poor fit. Some keys on
> the keyboard were getting a little mushy. Also its slow wifi and USB has
> been a pain for a long time already. The 3G modem was never that good
> either.

Do you have a port of your PL/I compiler that runs on the laptop and
produces x86 code???

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Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 11/9/2022 3:36 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Mine is probably more than 10. I’m starting to think about getting a new
>>> one, it’s starting to get a bit sluggish.
>>
>> Yah, I retired my Thinkpad X201 this year which is about 2010
>> vintage. Dual cores, 2.4 GHz, 6 GB RAM, SSD. Now too slow to render web
>> pages and the replacement battery I bought is a poor fit. Some keys on
>> the keyboard were getting a little mushy. Also its slow wifi and USB has
>> been a pain for a long time already. The 3G modem was never that good
>> either.
>
> Do you have a port of your PL/I compiler that runs on the laptop and
> produces x86 code???
>
>

This tor me?
http:www.iron-spring.com

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On 2022-11-07, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?

OpenBSD, Atom n270 CPU, 1GB of RAM. Compared to a PIII with 128
of RAM from y2k, the equivalent to a computer
of its era would be a Pentium 90 or
a 486 DX100 with 32MB of RAM.

I guess it counts...

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:59:26 AM UTC-8, Anthk wrote:
> On 2022-11-07, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> > Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
> OpenBSD, Atom n270 CPU, 1GB of RAM. Compared to a PIII with 128
> of RAM from y2k, the equivalent to a computer
> of its era would be a Pentium 90 or
> a 486 DX100 with 32MB of RAM.
>
> I guess it counts...

https://ai.neocities.org/mens.html -- ancient Latin computing.

On 11/7/22 1:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/redditor-discovers-legendary-1956-computer-in-grandparents-basement/

and as long as I'm here, fsck a.f.c

Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
> On 11/7/22 1:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/redditor-discovers-legendary-1956-computer-in-grandparents-basement/
>
> and as long as I'm here, fsck a.f.c
>

I’m surprised Mel’s mummy wasn’t sitting there still coding.

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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
> Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
>> On 11/7/22 1:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/redditor-discovers-legendary-1956-computer-in-grandparents-basement/
>>
>> and as long as I'm here, fsck a.f.c
>>
>
> I’m surprised Mel’s mummy wasn’t sitting there still coding.

He probably still has a job at Microsoft.

Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>> Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
>>> On 11/7/22 1:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/redditor-discovers-legendary-1956-computer-in-grandparents-basement/
>>>
>>> and as long as I'm here, fsck a.f.c
>>>
>>
>> I’m surprised Mel’s mummy wasn’t sitting there still coding.
>
> He probably still has a job at Microsoft.
>

Still working on Windows 95?

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On 2022-11-14, Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>
>> Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/7/22 1:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/redditor-discovers-legendary-1956-computer-in-grandparents-basement/
>>>
>>> and as long as I'm here, fsck a.f.c
>>
>> I’m surprised Mel’s mummy wasn’t sitting there still coding.
>
> He probably still has a job at Microsoft.

Nah, his programs worked too well, and he wouldn't
kowtow to Lord Bill.

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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> schrieb:
> On 2022-11-14, Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>
>>> Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/7/22 1:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>>>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/redditor-discovers-legendary-1956-computer-in-grandparents-basement/
>>>>
>>>> and as long as I'm here, fsck a.f.c
>>>
>>> I’m surprised Mel’s mummy wasn’t sitting there still coding.
>>
>> He probably still has a job at Microsoft.
>
> Nah, his programs worked too well, and he wouldn't
> kowtow to Lord Bill.

He wrote the secret, self-modifying code at the core of Windows,
just like the did for the Blackjack program of old.

Nobody can fire him, or Bill's empire would come crashing down.

On 2022-11-14, Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> schrieb:
>> On 2022-11-14, Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/7/22 1:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/redditor-discovers-legendary-1956-computer-in-grandparents-basement/
>>>>>
>>>>> and as long as I'm here, fsck a.f.c
>>>>
>>>> I’m surprised Mel’s mummy wasn’t sitting there still coding.
>>>
>>> He probably still has a job at Microsoft.
>>
>> Nah, his programs worked too well, and he wouldn't
>> kowtow to Lord Bill.
>
> He wrote the secret, self-modifying code at the core of Windows,
> just like the did for the Blackjack program of old.
>
> Nobody can fire him, or Bill's empire would come crashing down..

Great Image. Bill, being adored by his followers as the great God, while
something called RMS strains against the pillers, Hey, Arnie at the
party!.

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On 11/14/2022 8:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>> Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
>>>> On 11/7/22 1:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>>>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/redditor-discovers-legendary-1956-computer-in-grandparents-basement/
>>>>
>>>> and as long as I'm here, fsck a.f.c
>>>>
>>>
>>> I’m surprised Mel’s mummy wasn’t sitting there still coding.
>>
>> He probably still has a job at Microsoft.
>>
>
> Still working on Windows 95?
>

Do you mean Windows 95 can run on an LGP-30??? I believe that Windows
95 is a good example of the "butterfly effect", as any little thing you
do in Win95 can crash the system!!! :-(

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On 2022-11-17, Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 11/14/2022 8:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>>> Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/7/22 1:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>> Can we please return the discussion to old computer stories?
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/redditor-discovers-legendary-1956-computer-in-grandparents-basement/
>>>>>
>>>>> and as long as I'm here, fsck a.f.c
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m surprised Mel’s mummy wasn’t sitting there still coding.
>>>
>>> He probably still has a job at Microsoft.
>>>
>>
>> Still working on Windows 95?
>>
>
> Do you mean Windows 95 can run on an LGP-30??? I believe that Windows
> 95 is a good example of the "butterfly effect", as any little thing you
> do in Win95 can crash the system!!! :-(
>
>
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>
>

I have memories of Windows 95, a man was to show a presentation at a
business meeting on a machine with 95. Crash, crash, and I was mortified
in sympathy with him

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On 2022-11-17, greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> I have memories of Windows 95, a man was to show a presentation at a
> business meeting on a machine with 95. Crash, crash, and I was mortified
> in sympathy with him

There's nothing like a demo to make a system crash.
It's even happened to Bill Gates - although in his
case my sympathy is lacking.

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On 11/17/2022 12:37 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2022-11-17, greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> I have memories of Windows 95, a man was to show a presentation at a
>> business meeting on a machine with 95. Crash, crash, and I was mortified
>> in sympathy with him
>
> There's nothing like a demo to make a system crash.
> It's even happened to Bill Gates - although in his
> case my sympathy is lacking.
>

Recalling some good advice about demos... *never* use a program that
produces obvious results. For example, if the demo program supposedly
calculates the day-of-the week... some person will put in today's
date... the computer says it is Thursday, but everyone in the room knows
it is Tuesday.

Instead use software that calculates numerical solutions of some
differential equations. Then, *no* matter what comes out, you can swear
up-and-down that it's the *right* answer!!! Few observers (often
reporters) will have the savvy to question the answer!

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