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 by: scbs29 - Fri, 3 Mar 2023 11:52 UTC

Hello all
If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is this likely to cause any problems ?
TIA
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 by: Paul - Fri, 3 Mar 2023 12:46 UTC

On 3/3/2023 6:52 AM, scbs29 wrote:
> Hello all
> If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is this likely to cause any problems ?
> TIA
>

https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-to-uninstall-microsoft-edge/

setup.exe --uninstall --system-level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall

That is a standard technique for Chrome or Chromium browser.
There is a setup.exe next to a 150MB .zip file (you see only
two files in the folder). The setup.exe uses the contents of
the .zip file, for install or uninstall.

This is not particularly a Windows way of doing things. That ZIP file.

Also, the syntax of the command, varies with product. Chrome
and Chromium don't use exactly the same command.

*******

So that uninstalls "msedge.exe" the browser.

But it does not uninstall “Microsoft Edge WebView2”, which
should be a separate piece of software, and the OS uses that.
While you would think that was only for help files (the
successor to .chm), it can also be doing graphics for
applications or the like.

I don't know the story on the rest of it.

Can a Windows Update bring in yet another MSEdge package ?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-update-policies#microsoft-edge-webview-policies

I would think something like a 22H2 major update would
bring in a fresh copy. But you can use GRC InControl, to
prevent delivery on Microsofts schedule.

For Windows 10, the job does not look too bad. But
my biggest fear would be missing a detail, and it comes back.
You don't want things like this to drag on, because it
weakens your resolve.

https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-uninstall-microsoft-edge

Paul

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Sat, 4 Mar 2023 01:15 UTC

scbs29 wrote on 3/3/2023 4:52 AM:
> Hello all
> If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is this likely to cause any problems ?
> TIA
>
No(answer to your Q)

You can disable Edge on Startup.
- Edge's Settings/System/
=> Disable Startup Boost and Continue running background
extensions/apps when Edge s closed.
Ensure you set another browser as default in Win10/11's Default Apps.
Don't disable the 3 Edge items in 'Services'

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Sat, 4 Mar 2023 01:20 UTC

Paul wrote on 3/3/2023 5:46 AM:
>
> Can a Windows Update bring in yet another MSEdge package ?
>
Edge still updates after a feature update in the background or on use.
Since installers are point in time code(e.g. 22H2 upgrade or clean
install is code released/signed off prior to 22H2 release last fall)
- i.e. an outdated version that will be updated after initial logon.

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 by: Fokke Nauta - Sun, 5 Mar 2023 15:28 UTC

On 03/03/2023 12:52, scbs29 wrote:
> Hello all
> If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is this likely to cause any problems ?
> TIA

No, not at all.

Fokke Nauta

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 by: DanS - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 14:25 UTC

=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote in news:ttu62t$pa7m$1@dont-email.me:

> scbs29 wrote on 3/3/2023 4:52 AM:
>> Hello all
>> If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is
>> this likely to cause any problems ? TIA
>>
> No(answer to your Q)
>
> You can disable Edge on Startup.
> - Edge's Settings/System/
> => Disable Startup Boost and Continue running background
> extensions/apps when Edge s closed.
> Ensure you set another browser as default in Win10/11's
> Default Apps. Don't disable the 3 Edge items in 'Services'

-"Continue running background extensions/apps when Edge is closed"

Almost as stupid a default setting as Explorer's "Hide Extensions of Known Filetypes"

When I close Edge, I'm done with it, close it. WTF?! (Not my main browser.)

....otherwise, what, leave 20 (or more) edge processes runnig the background with crash
after crash of the extensions/plugins that affect the entire PC when it comes out of sleep,
and is nearly unusable?

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 19:39 UTC

DanS wrote on 3/13/2023 7:25 AM:
> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
> wrote in news:ttu62t$pa7m$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> scbs29 wrote on 3/3/2023 4:52 AM:
>>> Hello all
>>> If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is
>>> this likely to cause any problems ? TIA
>>>
>> No(answer to your Q)
>>
>> You can disable Edge on Startup.
>> - Edge's Settings/System/
>> => Disable Startup Boost and Continue running background
>> extensions/apps when Edge s closed.
>> Ensure you set another browser as default in Win10/11's
>> Default Apps. Don't disable the 3 Edge items in 'Services'
>
> -"Continue running background extensions/apps when Edge is closed"
>
> Almost as stupid a default setting as Explorer's "Hide Extensions of Known Filetypes"
>
> When I close Edge, I'm done with it, close it. WTF?! (Not my main browser.)
>
> ...otherwise, what, leave 20 (or more) edge processes runnig the background with crash
> after crash of the extensions/plugins that affect the entire PC when it comes out of sleep,
> and is nearly unusable?
>

Yes, the option can be disabled too, even though not directly related to
the op question.
- i.e. Does removing Edge from Startup options at boot(really Windows
loading, the boot process is complete before startup items load) cause
any problems.

The processes running in the background are more related to apps that use
Edge code, not Startup.

Extensions are end-user installed options
- like any browser, ymmmv and use at your own risk. Eisable related
features that use them has always been a clear path to instability.

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 by: knuttle - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 20:53 UTC

On 3/14/2023 3:39 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> DanS wrote on 3/13/2023 7:25 AM:
>> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
>> wrote in news:ttu62t$pa7m$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> scbs29 wrote on 3/3/2023 4:52 AM:
>>>> Hello all
>>>> If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is
>>>> this likely to cause any problems ? TIA
>>>>
>>> No(answer to your Q)
>>>
>>> You can disable Edge on Startup.
>>>    - Edge's Settings/System/
>>>    => Disable Startup Boost and Continue running background
>>> extensions/apps when Edge s closed.
>>> Ensure you set another browser as default in Win10/11's
>>> Default Apps. Don't disable the 3 Edge items in 'Services'
>>
>> -"Continue running background extensions/apps when Edge is closed"
>>
>> Almost as stupid a default setting as Explorer's "Hide Extensions of
>> Known Filetypes"
>>
>> When I close Edge, I'm done with it, close it. WTF?! (Not my main
>> browser.)
>>
>> ...otherwise, what, leave 20 (or more) edge processes runnig the
>> background with crash
>> after crash of the extensions/plugins that affect the entire PC when
>> it comes out of sleep,
>> and is nearly unusable?
>>
>
> Yes, the option can be disabled too, even though not directly related to
> the op question.
>  - i.e. Does removing Edge from Startup options at boot(really Windows
> loading, the boot process is complete before startup items load) cause
> any problems.
>
> The processes running in the background are more related to apps that
> use Edge code, not Startup.
>
> Extensions are end-user installed options
>  - like any browser, ymmmv and use at your own risk. Eisable related
> features that use them has always been a clear path to instability.
>
>
I have Firefox set as my default browser, and have never run Edge.
I just checked the Task Manager.
In the Services; there are two Edge identified operations Edgeupdate and
edgeupdatem.
There are no Edge identified programs in the Start up
and App History has Edge Identified but there is no activity noted

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 by: Stan Brown - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 21:47 UTC

On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:53:47 -0400, knuttle wrote:
> On 3/14/2023 3:39 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> >  - like any browser, ymmmv and use at your own risk. Eisable related
> > features that use them has always been a clear path to instability.
> >
> >
> I have Firefox set as my default browser, and have never run Edge.
>
> I just checked the Task Manager.
>
> In the Services; there are two Edge identified operations Edgeupdate and
> edgeupdatem.

I have the same two, marked "Stopped". Services.msc shows both of
them as Microsoft Edge Update Service, and adds a third: Microsoft
Edge Elevation Service. edgeupdate is marked Automatic and the other
two are marked Manual, but none of the three are actually running.
(All three have a dependency on Remote Procedure Call, which is
disturbing from a security standpoint.)

MicrosoftEdgeElevationService -- "Description: Keeps Microsoft Edge
up to update. If this service is disabled, the application will not
be kept up to date."

So Edge needs not one, not two, but THREE services to keep it
updated. Good old Microsoft!

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 by: Paul - Wed, 15 Mar 2023 15:24 UTC

On 3/14/2023 5:47 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:53:47 -0400, knuttle wrote:
>> On 3/14/2023 3:39 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>  - like any browser, ymmmv and use at your own risk. Eisable related
>>> features that use them has always been a clear path to instability.
>>>
>>>
>> I have Firefox set as my default browser, and have never run Edge.
>>
>> I just checked the Task Manager.
>>
>> In the Services; there are two Edge identified operations Edgeupdate and
>> edgeupdatem.
>
> I have the same two, marked "Stopped". Services.msc shows both of
> them as Microsoft Edge Update Service, and adds a third: Microsoft
> Edge Elevation Service. edgeupdate is marked Automatic and the other
> two are marked Manual, but none of the three are actually running.
> (All three have a dependency on Remote Procedure Call, which is
> disturbing from a security standpoint.)
>
> MicrosoftEdgeElevationService -- "Description: Keeps Microsoft Edge
> up to update. If this service is disabled, the application will not
> be kept up to date."
>
> So Edge needs not one, not two, but THREE services to keep it
> updated. Good old Microsoft!

Everything depends on RPC. The OS cannot survive without it.

Remote Procedure Calls have always been handling Local Procedure Calls,
even back when we were making our own OS at work. There is no
distinction between an RPC to 127.0.0.1 and an RPC to 192.168.0.2 .

This has been around for a long time. And if anyone tells you "I invented that",
chances are they're full of crap. When we put that in our OS, we "borrowed"
the idea from someone else. (But they wouldn't tell me who.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_procedure_call

"Request–response protocols date to early distributed computing in the late 1960s,
theoretical proposals of remote procedure calls as the model of network
operations date to the 1970s, and practical implementations date to the early 1980s."

Today, if you wanted to slow it down, you could always add crypto.

Paul

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:00 UTC

knuttle wrote on 3/14/2023 1:53 PM:
> On 3/14/2023 3:39 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> DanS wrote on 3/13/2023 7:25 AM:
>>> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
>>> wrote in news:ttu62t$pa7m$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> scbs29 wrote on 3/3/2023 4:52 AM:
>>>>> Hello all
>>>>> If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is
>>>>> this likely to cause any problems ? TIA
>>>>>
>>>> No(answer to your Q)
>>>>
>>>> You can disable Edge on Startup.
>>>>    - Edge's Settings/System/
>>>>    => Disable Startup Boost and Continue running background
>>>> extensions/apps when Edge s closed.
>>>> Ensure you set another browser as default in Win10/11's
>>>> Default Apps. Don't disable the 3 Edge items in 'Services'
>>>
>>> -"Continue running background extensions/apps when Edge is closed"
>>>
>>> Almost as stupid a default setting as Explorer's "Hide Extensions of
>>> Known Filetypes"
>>>
>>> When I close Edge, I'm done with it, close it. WTF?! (Not my main
>>> browser.)
>>>
>>> ...otherwise, what, leave 20 (or more) edge processes runnig the
>>> background with crash
>>> after crash of the extensions/plugins that affect the entire PC when
>>> it comes out of sleep,
>>> and is nearly unusable?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, the option can be disabled too, even though not directly related
>> to the op question.
>>   - i.e. Does removing Edge from Startup options at boot(really Windows
>> loading, the boot process is complete before startup items load) cause
>> any problems.
>>
>> The processes running in the background are more related to apps that
>> use Edge code, not Startup.
>>
>> Extensions are end-user installed options
>>   - like any browser, ymmmv and use at your own risk. Eisable related
>> features that use them has always been a clear path to instability.
>>
>>
> I have Firefox set as my default browser, and have never run Edge.
>
> I just checked the Task Manager.
>
> In the Services; there are two Edge identified operations Edgeupdate and
> edgeupdatem.
>
> There are no Edge identified programs in the Start up
>
> and App History has Edge Identified but there is no activity noted

Normal, Window includes applications that rely on Edge whether its the
default browser or not.

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:00:39 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Normal, Window includes applications that rely on Edge whether its the
> default browser or not.

Which applications would those be, pray tell?

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Shikata ga nai...

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 by: Paul - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 09:43 UTC

On 3/15/2023 5:55 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:00:39 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Normal, Window includes applications that rely on Edge whether its the
>> default browser or not.
>
> Which applications would those be, pray tell?
>

It is not likely a reliance on MSEdge.exe as a runtime, but a reliance
on WebView2 which you see running occasionally. The identifier string here
"yxz26nhyzhsrt" hints it is third party, but it did not remain third-party for long.
Microsoft has two of those strings that it normally stamps its Apps with. The
DLL would communicate with WebView2, but that file is too small to be a web
engine itself.

https://venturebeat.com/business/microsoft-acquires-web-based-video-editor-clipchamp/

File 3023
\PROGRA~1\WindowsApps\CLIPCH~2.0_N\CLIPCH~1.CLI\Microsoft.Web.WebView2.Core.dll

C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Clipchamp.Clipchamp_2.5.15.0_neutral__yxz26nhyzhsrt\Clipchamp\Microsoft.Web.WebView2.Core.dll

News and Interests ("Widgets") could be running off that.
As an example of a "suspected customer". Which means it is
also possible someone could craft some other Widget-class item.

But it is also possible for a developer to pack their own
engine. I believe there is a Chrome engine you can get
for such things (the byte count might be 20% of a full browser).
If you pack your own engine, then the application you wrote,
won't break after a Windows Update or a Windows Upgrade.

Paul

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Fri, 17 Mar 2023 09:27 UTC

Paul wrote on 3/16/2023 2:43 AM:
> On 3/15/2023 5:55 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:00:39 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  wrote:
>>> Normal, Window includes applications that rely on Edge whether its the
>>> default browser or not.
>>
>> Which applications would those be, pray tell?
>>
>
> It is not likely a reliance on MSEdge.exe as a runtime, but a reliance
> on WebView2 which you see running occasionally. The identifier string here
> "yxz26nhyzhsrt" hints it is third party, but it did not remain
> third-party for long.
> Microsoft has two of those strings that it normally stamps its Apps with.
> The
> DLL would communicate with WebView2, but that file is too small to be a web
> engine itself.
>
> https://venturebeat.com/business/microsoft-acquires-web-based-video-editor-clipchamp/
>
>
> File 3023
> \PROGRA~1\WindowsApps\CLIPCH~2.0_N\CLIPCH~1.CLI\Microsoft.Web.WebView2.Core.dll
>
>
> C:\Program
> Files\WindowsApps\Clipchamp.Clipchamp_2.5.15.0_neutral__yxz26nhyzhsrt\Clipchamp\Microsoft.Web.WebView2.Core.dll
>
>
> News and Interests ("Widgets") could be running off that.
> As an example of a "suspected customer". Which  means it is
> also possible someone could craft some other Widget-class item.
>
> But it is also possible for a developer to pack their own
> engine. I believe there is a Chrome engine you can get
> for such things (the byte count might be 20% of a full browser).
> If you pack your own engine, then the application you wrote,
> won't break after a Windows Update or a Windows Upgrade.
>
>    Paul

Webview2 uses Edge's rendering engine.
Apps that integrate/need the internet or integrate with online MSFT
services/features(like OneDrive, Photos, Cortana, Maps, maybe even the
Clock app if Spotify app is configured for use with Clock, etc.) come to mind

The under-the-hood cross application sharing is quite significant.

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