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* OT - Microsoft newsgroupsNewyana2
+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
|+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsRink
||+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsCarlos E. R.
|||`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsoccam
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||`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsNewyana2
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|| +* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsCarlos E. R.
|| |`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsNewyana2
|| | +- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsAnt
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|| +* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
|| |`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsRink
|| | `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
|| `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsJim the Geordie
|`- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMichael Trew
+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMr. Man-wai Chang
|`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsAnt
| +- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
| `* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMr. Man-wai Chang
|  +* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsAndy Burns
|  |`- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMr. Man-wai Chang
|  +* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsCarlos E.R.
|  |`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMr. Man-wai Chang
|  | `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsCarlos E.R.
|  `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
+- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsDavid E. Ross
+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsNewyana2
|`- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsAnt
+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsJim the Geordie
|+- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsAnt
|`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsChar Jackson
| `* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
|  `* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsAndy Burns
|   `* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
|    `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsNewyana2
+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
|`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsNewyana2
| `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsFrank Slootweg
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 by: Newyana2 - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 03:57 UTC

"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

| Switch to news.mixmin.net:563 . Does not appear
| to support port 119.
| | news.mixmin.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
|

That seems to work, but it looks like only about half
the posts are there. ?

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 by: Paul - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 05:58 UTC

On 2/3/2023 10:57 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote
>
> | Switch to news.mixmin.net:563 . Does not appear
> | to support port 119.
> |
> | news.mixmin.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
> |
>
> That seems to work, but it looks like only about half
> the posts are there. ?

My test was a dismal flop, as propagation through the
server takes a day or two. It's not really healthy
at the moment.

Paul

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 by: Paul - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 06:09 UTC

On 2/3/2023 10:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 15:18:04 -0000, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <trgeb1$tcg3$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2@invalid.nospam
>> says...
>>>
>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>
>> They are still there on Paganini server
>
> Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet server on the planet
> stops carrying them, which is something that hasn't happened in many
> decades, AFAIK.
>
> Individual servers may decide to stop carrying a specific newsgroup, or
> individual servers may have technical issues, but the rest of the Usenet
> infrastructure carries on.
>

There are hierarchies managed by the Big-8, and the rest.

I think I have one Big-8 group in my list, and I've never
posted to it.

Back when I was using a Macintosh, I had more interest
in some of the Big-8 groups for that purpose.

The creation rate of groups in Big-8 is just too slow
for the job. That does not mean the process is necessarily
bad as such, but the process is not well suited to the task.
You have to put up with a lot of personal abuse, while
that process grinds on. You really need a group badly,
to put the effort into that process.

Paul

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 by: Andy Burns - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 10:55 UTC

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

> It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar.

You speak as though that happened recently, rather than nearly 13 years ago?

> Micro$oft could have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet.

Actually, MS did implement a forums to NNTP bridge, I never used it so
have no idea how kludgy it was, but I can imagine ...

<https://web.archive.org/web/20100430183455/http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/>

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 10:51 UTC

On 2023-02-04 04:21, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 4/2/2023 3:55 am, Ant wrote:
>>
>> I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
>> down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
>> years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
>> over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P
>
> It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar. Micro$oft could
> have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet. It's do-able. They got
> the money to do it anyway. ;)
>
> I remember the days of Vsiaul Foxpro being talked about in relevant
> Usenet newsgroups.

For a company doing user support a web forum seems to have advantages.
They (as administrator) can remove posts, remove posters, edit posts
(even of other people), have private messages... Ah, and add photos,
which on Windows issues do help.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Andy Burns - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 10:58 UTC

Paul wrote:

> I think I have one Big-8 group in my list, and I've never
> posted to it.

Similar, my groups are mostly uk.* and alt.*
with just three comp.* groups

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 by: occam - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 14:17 UTC

On 03/02/2023 15:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-02-03 14:42, Rink wrote:
>> Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
>>> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Which is a pity,
>> especially for  microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
>> which is the busiest English language newsgroup
>> for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.
>>
>> You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>> -    paganini.bofh.team
>> -    freenews.netfront.net
>>
>> Both are free newsservers.
>> If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>> groups anymore.
>
> I have a bunch of microsoft.* groups listed on News.Individual.NET, but
> no idea if they work.
>

I just tried <microsoft.public.windowsxp.general> on
News.Individual.net. It works, and there are plenty of recent (2023)
posts there.

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 by: occam - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 14:19 UTC

On 04/02/2023 15:17, occam wrote:
> On 03/02/2023 15:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-02-03 14:42, Rink wrote:
>>> Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
>>>> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Which is a pity,
>>> especially for  microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
>>> which is the busiest English language newsgroup
>>> for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.
>>>
>>> You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>>> -    paganini.bofh.team
>>> -    freenews.netfront.net
>>>
>>> Both are free newsservers.
>>> If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>>> groups anymore.
>>
>> I have a bunch of microsoft.* groups listed on News.Individual.NET, but
>> no idea if they work.
>>
>
> I just tried <microsoft.public.windowsxp.general> on
> News.Individual.net. It works, and there are plenty of recent (2023)
> posts there.

P.S: News.Individual.net is not free, but almost free. (10 eur /per year)

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 14:32 UTC

On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 11:21:20 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/2/2023 3:55 am, Ant wrote:
>>
>> I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
>> down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
>> years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
>> over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P
>
>It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar. Micro$oft could
>have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet. It's do-able.

Yes, it's doable, and that's the way it used to be when they started
with the web-based forums.

>They got
>the money to do it anyway. ;)
>
>I remember the days of Vsiaul Foxpro being talked about in relevant
>Usenet newsgroups.

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 14:36 UTC

On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 10:58:37 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Paul wrote:
>
>> I think I have one Big-8 group in my list, and I've never
>> posted to it.
>
>Similar, my groups are mostly uk.* and alt.*
>with just three comp.* groups

As a matter to interest to anyone who cares, I have two rec* groups
and the other nine are all alt*.

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 by: Mr. Man-wai Chang - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 14:40 UTC

On 4/2/2023 6:51 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> For a company doing user support a web forum seems to have advantages.
> They (as administrator) can remove posts, remove posters, edit posts
> (even of other people), have private messages... Ah, and add photos,
> which on Windows issues do help.

I don't remmeber M$ newsgroups in Usenet being spammed or abused. I
dunno whether they were moderated back then ...

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 by: Mr. Man-wai Chang - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 14:42 UTC

On 4/2/2023 6:55 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
>> It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar.
>
> You speak as though that happened recently, rather than nearly 13 years ago?

My main interest was always Visual Foxpro. Maybe I missed things in
other M$ newsgroups.

(Lately, Foxpro Wikis was offline due to some arguments between famous
people.)

>> Micro$oft could have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet.
>
> Actually, MS did implement a forums to NNTP bridge, I never used it so
> have no idea how kludgy it was, but I can imagine ...
>
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20100430183455/http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/>

You reminded me of this! Thanks.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 17:27 UTC

On 2023-02-04 15:40, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 4/2/2023 6:51 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> For a company doing user support a web forum seems to have advantages.
>> They (as administrator) can remove posts, remove posters, edit posts
>> (even of other people), have private messages... Ah, and add photos,
>> which on Windows issues do help.
>
> I don't remmeber M$ newsgroups in Usenet being spammed or abused. I
> dunno whether they were moderated back then ...

It was another time.

I understand that nntp can be moderated, so probably an administrator
can remove posts (but maybe that doesn't always propagate).

They have more control this way, and people seem to like web forums.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Rink - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 22:32 UTC

Op 3-2-2023 om 17:31 schreef Paul:
> On 2/3/2023 9:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> "Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
>>
>> | You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>> | - paganini.bofh.team
>> | - freenews.netfront.net
>> |
>> | Both are free newsservers.
>> | If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>> | groups anymore.
>> |
>>
>>    I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
>> What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
>> I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
>> Chinese website.
>>
>>     Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
>> $30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
>> I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
>> dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
>> online.
>
> There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
> via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
> taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
> a flood :-)

I think you mean news.neodome.net ......

>
> The flood conducted via AIOE, resulted in the admin getting
> angry and doing some stuff he shouldn't have. One of the
> few times I saw Paolo lose his cool.
>
> The little things add up, so "we can't have nice things".
>
>    Paul

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 by: Paul - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 04:20 UTC

On 2/4/2023 5:32 PM, Rink wrote:
> Op 3-2-2023 om 17:31 schreef Paul:
>> On 2/3/2023 9:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> "Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
>>>
>>> | You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>>> | - paganini.bofh.team
>>> | - freenews.netfront.net
>>> |
>>> | Both are free newsservers.
>>> | If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>>> | groups anymore.
>>> |
>>>
>>>    I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
>>> What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
>>> I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
>>> Chinese website.
>>>
>>>     Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
>>> $30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
>>> I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
>>> dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
>>> online.
>>
>> There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
>> via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
>> taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
>> a flood :-)
>
>
> I think you mean news.neodome.net  ......

It's possible it was attacked too, because it was an open server.
I didn't keep records of this stuff.

Paul

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 by: Newyana2 - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:40 UTC

"Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote

>As a matter to interest to anyone who cares, I have two rec* groups
and the other nine are all alt*.
>

I have 3 alt, 2 comp, and 3 MS. But it used to be
almost all MS. The comp are for android and
raspberry pi, which I visit only occasionally.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 15:18 UTC

[Late response due to extended absence.]

Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.

I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
servers/accounts. If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.

As Char Jackson said "Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet
server on the planet stops carrying them", so that Microsoft shut them
down - over a decade ago - didn't make them disappear and that E-S does
no longer carry them, will not make them disappear either.

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 15:48 UTC

On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>[Late response due to extended absence.]
>
>Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>
> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>servers/accounts.

I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can

Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.

>If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.

I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?

> As Char Jackson said "Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet
>server on the planet stops carrying them", so that Microsoft shut them
>down - over a decade ago - didn't make them disappear and that E-S does
>no longer carry them, will not make them disappear either.

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 by: Bill Bradshaw - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 16:41 UTC

Ken Blake wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>
>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple
>> news servers/accounts.
>
>
> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>
> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.
>
>
>> If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>> some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>
>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?
>

I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.
--
<Bill>

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 16:49 UTC

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
> >
> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> >
> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
> >servers/accounts.
>
>
> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>
> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.

It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)

> >If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
> >some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?

Several such servers were mentioned in this (long) thread, but why not
just look on 'your' server!? :-)

> > As Char Jackson said "Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet
> >server on the planet stops carrying them", so that Microsoft shut them
> >down - over a decade ago - didn't make them disappear and that E-S does
> >no longer carry them, will not make them disappear either.

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 by: Andy Burns - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 17:08 UTC

Bill Bradshaw wrote:

> I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.

But how many are getting new messages?

If anyone can recommend a good group for MSMQ I'd welcome it.

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 17:09 UTC

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 08:41:26 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
wrote:

>Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>>
>>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple
>>> news servers/accounts.
>>
>>
>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>
>> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>> it was Windows 98.
>>
>>
>>> If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>>> some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>>
>>
>> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
>> servers that still carry any?
>>
>
>I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.

So do I. I must have mistyped Microsoft when I did a search on it
before posting. Sorry, and thanks.

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 17:18 UTC

On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
>> >
>> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>> >servers/accounts.
>>
>>
>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>
>> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>> it was Windows 98.
>
> It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
>uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)

New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.

>
>> >If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>> >some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>>
>> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
>> servers that still carry any?
>
> Several such servers were mentioned in this (long) thread, but why not
>just look on 'your' server!? :-)

I did and didn't find any. See the other message I sent moments ago.

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 by: Paul - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 17:22 UTC

On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?

Yes.

See, new traffic.

https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

But you can't get headers there. (It might require logging in
and the function might still be disabled for all I know.)

What read-only servers can a person consult ?

Well, there is a server, which closed to posting after
the mid-year 2022 posting flood. I've been using it for
testing of slrn in Win11 bash shell (because it has a
legacy OVERVIEW.FMT message).

export NNTPSERVER=news.netfront.net

slrn --create # populate ~/.jnewsrc with groups

Connecting to host news.netfront.net ... # port 119

grep ^microsoft .jnewsrc | wc -l # count the groups, returns "1772"

grep windowsxp .jnewsrc # returns "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general"
# and a bunch more.

By adding that server to your Thunderbird or similar NNTP
client, you can do header analysis, and see where we're posting from.

See, easy :-)

This is what SLRN looks like in bash shell on Windows 11.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/nrNw1Yf1/some-kinda-hobby2.gif

The beauty of the Internet, is none of it is reliable.
In the tap water sense. Enjoy whatcha got, while it lasts.
We've waited around a month or six weeks, for that
server to come back to operation.

Paul

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 17:50 UTC

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:22:56 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

>On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>>
>> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
>> servers that still carry any?
>
>Yes.

Thanks.

>See, new traffic.
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
>
>But you can't get headers there. (It might require logging in
>and the function might still be disabled for all I know.)
>
>What read-only servers can a person consult ?
>
>Well, there is a server, which closed to posting after
>the mid-year 2022 posting flood. I've been using it for
>testing of slrn in Win11 bash shell (because it has a
>legacy OVERVIEW.FMT message).
>
> export NNTPSERVER=news.netfront.net
>
> slrn --create # populate ~/.jnewsrc with groups
>
> Connecting to host news.netfront.net ... # port 119
>
> grep ^microsoft .jnewsrc | wc -l # count the groups, returns "1772"
>
> grep windowsxp .jnewsrc # returns "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general"
> # and a bunch more.
>
>By adding that server to your Thunderbird or similar NNTP
>client, you can do header analysis, and see where we're posting from.
>
>See, easy :-)
>
>This is what SLRN looks like in bash shell on Windows 11.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/nrNw1Yf1/some-kinda-hobby2.gif
>
>The beauty of the Internet, is none of it is reliable.
>In the tap water sense. Enjoy whatcha got, while it lasts.
>We've waited around a month or six weeks, for that
>server to come back to operation.
>
> Paul

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