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+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
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|| `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsJim the Geordie
|`- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMichael Trew
+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMr. Man-wai Chang
|`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsAnt
| +- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
| `* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMr. Man-wai Chang
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|  |`- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMr. Man-wai Chang
|  +* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsCarlos E.R.
|  |`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsMr. Man-wai Chang
|  | `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsCarlos E.R.
|  `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
+- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsDavid E. Ross
+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsNewyana2
|`- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsAnt
+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsJim the Geordie
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| `* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
|  `* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsAndy Burns
|   `* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
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+* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
|`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsNewyana2
| `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsPaul
`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsFrank Slootweg
 `* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
  +* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsBill Bradshaw
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  |`- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
  +* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsFrank Slootweg
  |`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
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  |  +* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
  |  |`- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsJames Tayler
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  |`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsKen Blake
  | `- Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsJim the Geordie
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  |`* Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroupsFrank Slootweg
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From: thi...@ddress.is.invalid (Frank Slootweg)
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 by: Frank Slootweg - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:07 UTC

Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> >> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
> >> >
> >> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
> >> >servers/accounts.
> >>
> >> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
> >>
> >> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> >> it was Windows 98.
> >
> > It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
> >uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
>
> New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.

Not you, Mayayana. Why does he have a new nym?

[...]

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 by: Jim the Geordie - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 19:33 UTC

In article <o67h1il1qbe8v3dm7p4brnni60hg7gi234@4ax.com>,
Ken@invalid.news.com says...
>
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:22:56 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> >> servers that still carry any?
> >
> >Yes.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Paganini
--
Jim the Geordie

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 19:47 UTC

On 20 Mar 2023 18:07:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> >> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
>> >> >
>> >> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> >> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> >> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> >> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> >> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> >> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> >> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>> >> >servers/accounts.
>> >>
>> >> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>> >>
>> >> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>> >> it was Windows 98.
>> >
>> > It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
>> >uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
>>
>> New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.
>
> Not you, Mayayana.

Sorry, I misunderstood.

> Why does he have a new nym?

Beats me.

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 by: James Tayler - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 21:32 UTC

On 20/03/2023 19:47, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> Beats me.
Why does it beat you? You have told us before that "Just in case there's
anyone here who doesn't know this, nymshifting is
a certain mark of someone's being a troll. Trolls nymshift to try to
escape from killfiles. But nymshifting is useless."

Are you saying this view has now changed? Please clarify as we rely on
you to give us sound opinions!

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Mon, 20 Mar 2023 22:48 UTC

On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>
>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>> servers/accounts.
>
>
> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can

No, Thunderbird can not.

You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.

In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Paul - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:46 UTC

On 3/20/2023 2:07 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>>>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>>>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>>>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>>>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>>>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>>>>> servers/accounts.
>>>>
>>>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>>>
>>>> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>>>> it was Windows 98.
>>>
>>> It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
>>> uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
>>
>> New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.
>
> Not you, Mayayana. Why does he have a new nym?
>
> [...]
>

When you have two computers, a WinXP one and a Win10 one,
there is a good chance the News Agent is set up differently.

When I copied my profile folder from WinXP to a later OS,
that tends to keep your identifiers the same. But not
all tools make the profile an obvious thing to copy. Like if you
were using Forte Agent, where are your "details" stored ? Dunno.

Paul

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 by: Marco Moock - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 07:36 UTC

Am 20.03.2023 um 08:48:05 Uhr schrieb Ken Blake:

> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
> >
> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.

MS discontinued them and switched off the nntp server at MS - other
servers still carried it.

> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.

It was XP.
> >If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
> >some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>
>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?

news.solani.org has them, registration is free.

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Subject: Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups
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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 09:25 UTC

Ken Blake wrote on 3/20/2023 8:48 AM:
> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.
>

You probably meant to say Windows XP (not Windows 98)
- 98 predates XP by 2.5 years
- OE was included in ME the black-sheep o/s released after 98x and
prior to XP
- OE 4.0 was included in 98, 5.0 in 98SE, 5.5 in ME, and 6.0 in XP
fyi- those OE version numbers(above) also coincided with IE version
numbers.

The first consumer version of Windows without Outlook Express was
Vista(reeased in 2007)
=> Vista's included email client was Windows Mail
Not much different than OE, a few features missing(no Identities) but
the biggest change was using *.eml and *.nws files instead of OE's
archaic *.dbx files, the other significant changes was Windows Mail's use
of a separate database/different code for built-in backup, a few other
under-hood changes.
...but still an old dog with a just a different fur coat

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From: thi...@ddress.is.invalid (Frank Slootweg)
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 by: Frank Slootweg - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 13:33 UTC

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
> > On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> [Late response due to extended absence.]
> >>
> >> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
> >> servers/accounts.
> >
> >
> > I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>
> No, Thunderbird can not.
>
> You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
> you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.

But can't you have a 'global inbox' like you can for e-mail, so that
all your articles from multiple servers are in one 'view'? (I use a
global inbox for e-mail in Thunderbird, but do not use thunderbird for
news.)

> In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
> multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.

I also use a local proxy server (Hamster), but with a different
newsreader (tin).

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 15:01 UTC

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 02:25:00 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ken Blake wrote on 3/20/2023 8:48 AM:
>> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>> it was Windows 98.
>>
>
>You probably meant to say Windows XP (not Windows 98)

Actually I didn't. Sorry to say I was simply wrong. I did a web search
and must have read the results wrong.

My thanks to you (and the others who said the same thing) for the
correction.

> - 98 predates XP by 2.5 years
> - OE was included in ME the black-sheep o/s released after 98x and
>prior to XP
>- OE 4.0 was included in 98, 5.0 in 98SE, 5.5 in ME, and 6.0 in XP
> fyi- those OE version numbers(above) also coincided with IE version
>numbers.
>
>The first consumer version of Windows without Outlook Express was
>Vista(reeased in 2007)
> => Vista's included email client was Windows Mail
> Not much different than OE, a few features missing(no Identities) but
>the biggest change was using *.eml and *.nws files instead of OE's
>archaic *.dbx files, the other significant changes was Windows Mail's use
>of a separate database/different code for built-in backup, a few other
>under-hood changes.
> ...but still an old dog with a just a different fur coat

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From: robin_li...@es.invalid (Carlos E.R.)
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 by: Carlos E.R. - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:41 UTC

On 2023-03-21 14:33, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>>>
>>>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>>>> servers/accounts.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>
>> No, Thunderbird can not.
>>
>> You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
>> you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.
>
> But can't you have a 'global inbox' like you can for e-mail, so that
> all your articles from multiple servers are in one 'view'? (I use a
> global inbox for e-mail in Thunderbird, but do not use thunderbird for
> news.)

No, I do not see a global something for news. Each server aka account
gets a separate entry on the left panel, with all the subscribed group
on that server.

>> In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
>> multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.
>
> I also use a local proxy server (Hamster), but with a different
> newsreader (tin).

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Cheers, Carlos.

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