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 by: Minoru Osaka - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 16:33 UTC

I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows 11.
I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$ Account?

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 by: Graham J - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 17:10 UTC

Minoru Osaka wrote:
> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows 11.
> I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
> If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$ Account?

No, Google has many links to how ...

--
Graham J

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 17:25 UTC

On 2023-03-26 18:33, Minoru Osaka wrote:
> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows 11.
> I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
> If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$ Account?

If you search on this group (windows-11), going back a year or more, for
the word "account" in the Subject line you will find a few posts.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Minoru Osaka - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:03 UTC

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:25:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2023-03-26 18:33, Minoru Osaka wrote:
>> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows 11.
>> I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
>> If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$ Account?
>
> If you search on this group (windows-11), going back a year or more, for
> the word "account" in the Subject line you will find a few posts.

All I want is a yes or no if you've done it as I do not want to create an
account and then delete it or to have to do any strange things at all.

As long as it will let me switch from Windows 10 to 11 without creating any
account and without having to do strange unfamiliar things other than to
hit the "no I do not want to create an account" button, I'm OK with that.

Is it as easy as you intimate in that there is an obivous "SKIP" button?

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"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> If you search on this group (windows-11)

Given many usenet nntp servers automatically expire articles quickly,
and given most newsgroups are archived by Google but not this one,
what web search engine do you suggest for archives of this newsgroup?

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 by: Johnny - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:09 UTC

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 04:03:32 +0900
Minoru Osaka <minoru.osaka@asahi.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:25:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> > On 2023-03-26 18:33, Minoru Osaka wrote:
> >> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to
> >> Windows 11. I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under
> >> any circumstances. If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must
> >> I establish a M$ Account?
> >
> > If you search on this group (windows-11), going back a year or
> > more, for the word "account" in the Subject line you will find a
> > few posts.
>
> All I want is a yes or no if you've done it as I do not want to
> create an account and then delete it or to have to do any strange
> things at all.
>
> As long as it will let me switch from Windows 10 to 11 without
> creating any account and without having to do strange unfamiliar
> things other than to hit the "no I do not want to create an account"
> button, I'm OK with that.
>
> Is it as easy as you intimate in that there is an obivous "SKIP"
> button?

Your answer is here:

https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account

I don't use Windows. I think it's disgusting to just look at.

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 by: Paul - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:23 UTC

On 3/26/2023 12:33 PM, Minoru Osaka wrote:
> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows 11.
> I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
> If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$ Account?

Prepare installation media.

Do not use the Windows Update method.

Make a backup of the disk drive, before installing.

If the install process does anything you do not like,
stop the process, and restore from your backup disk image.

*******

To run an "install-in-place upgrade", you can insert media
and run Setup.exe on that media.

If you download Windows 11 as an ISO, you can right-click the
ISO file, select "Mount", and the ISO will be mounted as if it
is a virtual DVD drive. Now, you can run Setup.exe, without
burning physical media like a DVD or a USB stick.

Windows 10 will be running, when you run Setup.exe and attempt
to install-over-top of it.

*******

One reason for requesting a Microsoft Account, is for Windows 11 Home,
when it encrypts the C: drive without you asking. The Microsoft web site
then contains the recovery key, for removal of encryption and so on.

However, the circumstances where this arises (Lenovo Win11 Home laptop
or such), means that this hardly ever arises for a person who is
in your situation right now. Consequently, there should be no
apprehension on your part, about "needing" an MSA. Your disk will not
be encrypted. Very few computer setups, end up encrypted because
of this particular quirk.

The reason for making the backup of your hard drive (the one you
are installing on), is so that, for anything we forgot to tell
you, you have an "escape plan" :-)

Summary: The only real question you have to ask, is whether
there is any benefit whatsoever, from Windows 11 for a user.
They keep breaking stuff via Windows Update, and that makes
the experience a negative one. This OS is just a toy,
for their development team.

Paul

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 by: Paul - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:31 UTC

On 3/26/2023 3:09 PM, Johnny wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 04:03:32 +0900
> Minoru Osaka <minoru.osaka@asahi.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:25:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-03-26 18:33, Minoru Osaka wrote:
>>>> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to
>>>> Windows 11. I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under
>>>> any circumstances. If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must
>>>> I establish a M$ Account?
>>>
>>> If you search on this group (windows-11), going back a year or
>>> more, for the word "account" in the Subject line you will find a
>>> few posts.
>>
>> All I want is a yes or no if you've done it as I do not want to
>> create an account and then delete it or to have to do any strange
>> things at all.
>>
>> As long as it will let me switch from Windows 10 to 11 without
>> creating any account and without having to do strange unfamiliar
>> things other than to hit the "no I do not want to create an account"
>> button, I'm OK with that.
>>
>> Is it as easy as you intimate in that there is an obivous "SKIP"
>> button?
>
> Your answer is here:
>
> https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account
>
> I don't use Windows. I think it's disgusting to just look at.
>

Do not use Rufus and click the four boxes.

The modification that Rufus makes to the installation,
puts maintenance items which are similar to Windows 10
items on the C: drive. This prevents proper maintenance
of the OS later.

It's OK to put the media on a USB stick, but do not
"modify" the content, unless you have a thorough understanding
of what the changes to the media are doing.

I only noticed the issues with a Rufus install,
over time. You may not notice if using Rufus based
installation, on the first day, that it isn't
really Windows 11 that you have installed.

Paul

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 20:15 UTC

On 2023-03-26 21:03, Minoru Osaka wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:25:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> On 2023-03-26 18:33, Minoru Osaka wrote:
>>> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows
>>> 11.
>>> I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
>>> If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$
>>> Account?
>>
>> If you search on this group (windows-11), going back a year or more,
>> for the word "account" in the Subject line you will find a few posts.
>
> All I want is a yes or no if you've done it as I do not want to create an
> account and then delete it or to have to do any strange things at all.
>
> As long as it will let me switch from Windows 10 to 11 without creating any
> account and without having to do strange unfamiliar things other than to
> hit the "no I do not want to create an account" button, I'm OK with that.
>
> Is it as easy as you intimate in that there is an obivous "SKIP" button?

No, there is no button to say "no, I do not want to create/use an MS
account". The official install will insist it is impossible. You do have
to use tricks that people have collected over time.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 20:14 UTC

On 2023-03-26 21:06, Peter wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> If you search on this group (windows-11)
>
> Given many usenet nntp servers automatically expire articles quickly,
> and given most newsgroups are archived by Google but not this one,
> what web search engine do you suggest for archives of this newsgroup?

Fair point. I have my own collection.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Paul - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 20:41 UTC

On 3/26/2023 3:06 PM, Peter wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> If you search on this group (windows-11)
>
> Given many usenet nntp servers automatically expire articles quickly,
> and given most newsgroups are archived by Google but not this one,
> what web search engine do you suggest for archives of this newsgroup?
>

Let's test.

This is as far back as I can go right now, on Eternal-September.

15 May 2022

<t5rtfn$b70c$1@news.mixmin.net>

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Ct5rtfn%24b70c%241%40news.mixmin.net%3E

This is still on E-S at the moment.

If I switch Thunderbird to offline mode, I can download
this group onto a local mbox file. Since HDR mode (or whatever is its
slow equivalent) is used, the transfer could take an hour or two,
if you want the ten months worth.

I keep more headers than that, so I can look back a bit further,
but then the message cannot be fetched from E-S if I do. If I have
five years worth of headers, the server still only has ten months
of message bodies on it, to go with the headers.

Once you have the ten months of messages in the MBOX (via offline dowbload),
then you can come up with a way of searching the archive. Thunderbird has
GLODA for example, which is what indexes boxes for search purposes.
Or, it's supposed to. The searches I do, all seem to be brute force,
rather than pre-baked.

Paul

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 20:46 UTC

Minoru Osaka wrote on 3/26/2023 9:33 AM:
> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows 11.
> I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
> If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$ Account?

If you've a Win10 Local Admin account it will be retained after upgrading
to Win11.

You may be required to create a MSA login for Win11, but that MSA logon
can be removed using the Win11 Local admin post upgrade.

If your Local is not an admin logon, then it should be changed to an
admin account prior to upgrading.

Also note.. the notice for Win11 can be deffered by clicking the option
to 'stay on Windows 10'.
Later if desiring Win11, one can update a variety of different methods
- Online Win11 22H2 update assistant
- using media(USB or DVD) created with the Media Creation Tool(run
setup.exe on the media within Windows 10)
- using a Win11 mounted iso

- Also, if Win10 Pro, one can use GPO to change the Windows Update for
Business setting to Window 11 22H2. Doing so, will force Windows Update
to start the Win11 22H2 Enablement Package download and install
process(and automatically upgrade to the latest 22H2 cumulative update
and security update).
=> Once the download starts(and it will happen almost immediately),
the GPO setting can/should be turned off to its original default
value(Not Configured) - doing so will not impact the already initiated
download/install of W11 22H2.

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> Do not use Rufus and click the four boxes.
>
>    Paul

+1 +

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 by: FromTheRafters - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 20:53 UTC

Paul used his or her keyboard to write :

> Summary: The only real question you have to ask, is whether
> there is any benefit whatsoever, from Windows 11 for a user.
> They keep breaking stuff via Windows Update, and that makes
> the experience a negative one. This OS is just a toy,
> for their development team.

Long ago I saw a thread asking if there was anything we can do in
Windows 10 that we couldn't do in most Windows versions prior to 10.

The answer came back almost nothing except maybe in some cases there
are apps which have decided they don't want to support older Windows.

I think each Windows version is just a way to drop support for older
versions since they all do about the same thing for the past 20 years.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 21:14 UTC

On 2023-03-26 22:41, Paul wrote:
> On 3/26/2023 3:06 PM, Peter wrote:
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> If you search on this group (windows-11)
>>
>> Given many usenet nntp servers automatically expire articles quickly,
>> and given most newsgroups are archived by Google but not this one,
>> what web search engine do you suggest for archives of this newsgroup?
>>
>
> Let's test.
>
> This is as far back as I can go right now, on Eternal-September.
>
>    15 May 2022
>
> <t5rtfn$b70c$1@news.mixmin.net>

I have, locally, posts going back to Jan 2022 in the Windows 11 group.

I see one long thread named:

Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account

which was also posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, so it will be in Google
Groups.

Another one on this group, named:

Windows 11 Home without a MSF account?

You proposed using
<https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-install-windows-11-home-without-microsoft-account>

Later it was suggested that M$ blocked this method.

Dell Laptop Unboxing and Initial Setup No MS Account

Another thread, started by the same user (Boris):

Successful Install of Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account

He used this method:

<https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account>

«2) I thought I'd try method 2, which it tries to confuse the MSFT
server by if entering "no@thankyou.com", when asked to sign in with a
MSFT account. This worked. MSFT returned the expected, "Oops,
something went wrong", band asked me to create a local account,
bypassing the MSFT account request. Nice.»

Frank Slootweg used a different method, based on method #1 above.

+++......................
I think the point is that you have to switch the network off, not
*when* the install procedure asks for a Microsoft Account, but *before*
it gets the chance to do so.

FWIW, on July 27, I used the following method to install my new laptop
without a Microsoft account:

- Follow normal procedure, including connecting to the network, upto

"Please review the Licence Agreement"

I stopped at this point, because I knew from web research that the
next part would ask for a Microsoft Account.

- Switched off Wi-Fi (Flight mode on).

-> [Accept] ->

"Who is going to use this device?

You'll use this name to sign in to your device."

So the installation procedure now accepts a local account ('Frank')
instead of only a Microsoft Account, because the network (Wi-Fi) has
been switched off.

- This was confirmed by the rest of the text:

"Is this account for a child or a teenager?

If so, consider signing in with a Microsoft account.
...
For more information, use another device and visit
aka.ms/accounttype."

"Enter your name" -> Frank -> [Next] ->

"Create a really memorable password"

- Just to be on the safe side, I proceeded through the "Security
question"s, location permission (no), 'Find my device' (no), 'Send
diagnostic data' (no) and then:

Switched on Wi-Fi (Flight mode off).

- Performed the rest of the installation.

So all in all, despite 'reports' to the contrary, I think that
switching off the network *before* the installation procedure asks for a
Microsoft Account, *still* works.

N.B. I switched off Wi-Fi (Flight mode on), because that was the
easiest on a/this laptop, just a key-press. On a non-laptop, the
"ipconfig /release" trick might work, but IMO it's better to be safe
than sorry and just pull the LAN cable if the computer has a hardwired
connection.
.......................++-

I pasted it complete because it is the post I have saved in my archive.

HTH

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 21:34 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> which was also posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, so it will be in Google
> Groups.

Hi Carlos,
When you say it will be "in Google Groups", did you check it first?

Try these three URLs please... in what you term "google groups" please...
alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.microsoft.windows

Specifically:
<http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.os.windows-11>
<http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.os.windows-10>
<http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>

If _that_ is what you mean by being "in google groups", it's not.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 00:46 UTC

On 2023-03-26 23:34, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> which was also posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, so it will be in
>> Google Groups.
>
> Hi Carlos,
> When you say it will be "in Google Groups", did you check it first?
>
> Try these three URLs please... in what you term "google groups"
> please...
> alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.microsoft.windows
>
> Specifically:
> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.os.windows-11>
> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.os.windows-10>
> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
>
> If _that_ is what you mean by being "in google groups", it's not.

It is not my fault that google groups is broken. And it was not me who
said that alt.comp.os.windows-10 is in google groups but
alt.comp.os.windows-11 is not.

Of course I did not check.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Ant - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 01:33 UTC

In alt.comp.microsoft.windows Minoru Osaka <minoru.osaka@asahi.net> wrote:
> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows 11.
> I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
> If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$ Account?

Or better. Don't upgrade. :)
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 by: Paul - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 02:03 UTC

On 3/26/2023 8:46 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-03-26 23:34, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> which was also posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, so it will be in Google Groups.
>>
>> Hi Carlos,
>> When you say it will be "in Google Groups", did you check it first?
>>
>> Try these three URLs please... in what you term "google groups" please... alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.microsoft.windows
>>
>> Specifically:
>> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.os.windows-11>
>> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.os.windows-10>
>> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
>>
>> If _that_ is what you mean by being "in google groups", it's not.
>
> It is not my fault that google groups is broken. And it was not me who said that alt.comp.os.windows-10 is in google groups but alt.comp.os.windows-11 is not.
>
> Of course I did not check.
>

Google Groups stopped adding groups, some time ago.

It has added a ton of its own private groups.
Which nobody cares about.

Paul

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 03:46 UTC

Paul wrote:

> Google Groups stopped adding groups, some time ago.
>
> It has added a ton of its own private groups.
> Which nobody cares about.

Hi Paul,

I often run a search before asking questions, and when researching
issues to help answer others, so I've been involved in this for years.

I think your assumption is not quite accurate, as I have been using Google
Groups archival links for many years, but I didn't do any explicit research
so it's just my "experienced assumption" that Google _does_ add groups.

They're just extremely selective about which groups they bother to add. :)

In fact, on this very newsgroup we _created_ the tinyurl links of the past:
<alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
<microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
<alt.comp.os.windows-11>
<alt.comp.os.windows-10>
<alt.comp.os.windows-8>
<alt.windows7.general>
<alt.msdos.batch>
<alt.os.linux>
<comp.mobile.android>
<comp.mobile.ipad>
<misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
<alt.comp.freeware>
etc.

Which was well before Google changed their archival links to something easy
to remember, but when the "N" archives used exactly those monikers, namely:
<https://alt.comp.microsoft.windows.narchive.com>
<https://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.narchive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-11.narchive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narchive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-8.narchive.com>
<https://alt.windows7.general.narchive.com>
<https://alt.msdos.batch.narchive.com>
<https://alt.os.linux.narchive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.android.narchive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.ipad.narchive.com>
<https://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narchive.com>
<https://alt.comp.freeware.narchive.com>
etc.

What I had created were tinyurl links which were the best I could do then:
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-microsoft-windows>
<https://tinyurl.com/microsoft-public-windowsxp-gen> (30-character limit)
I also had created an easier URL:<https://tinyurl.com/windowsxp-general>
<alt.comp.os.windows-11> At the time this didn't exist for me to set up
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-8>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-7>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-windows7-general>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-msdos-batch>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
<https://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android>
<https://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-ipad>
<https://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-freeware>
etc.

Note these are all so old they link to the now-deprecated Google Groups:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
<alt.comp.os.windows-11> At the time this didn't exist for me to set up
<http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=52> for Windows 10
<http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=50> for Windows-8
<http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=48> for Windows-7
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.msdos.batch>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.mobile.android>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.mobile.ipad>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.comp.freeware>
etc.

Which, after the great reshuffling, currently boil down to the following
much easier to remember and logically derived Google Groups search links:
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
<https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
<alt.comp.os.windows-11>
<alt.comp.os.windows-10>
<alt.comp.os.windows-8>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.msdos.batch>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux>
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android>
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.ipad>
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>
etc.

In summary, I "think" Google _does_ add groups when _they_ see fit.
They just do NOT see fit to add Windows variants as archived groups.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to faithfully elucidate group search archival URLs.

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On 27/3/2023 12:33 am, Minoru Osaka wrote:
> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows 11.
> I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
> If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$ Account?

Disable all internet connections during the upgrade! You might want to
turn off the wifi router connecting your PC. This way the installation
process would be forced to go local account.

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 by: wasbit - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 09:51 UTC

On 26/03/2023 20:03, Minoru Osaka wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:25:38 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> On 2023-03-26 18:33, Minoru Osaka wrote:
>>> I have Windows 10 Home & Pro - which is nagging me to move to Windows
>>> 11.
>>> I do NOT wish to establish a Microsoft Account under any circumstances.
>>> If I move to Windows 11 (on Pro or Home) - must I establish a M$
>>> Account?
>>

No. I don't have a Microsoft account in Windows 8, 10 or 11

>> If you search on this group (windows-11), going back a year or more,
>> for the word "account" in the Subject line you will find a few posts.
>
> All I want is a yes or no if you've done it as I do not want to create an
> account and then delete it or to have to do any strange things at all.
>

Therein lies the problem.
There are ways of achieving what you want but not (as far as I know) a
one click solution.

> As long as it will let me switch from Windows 10 to 11 without creating any
> account and without having to do strange unfamiliar things other than to
> hit the "no I do not want to create an account" button, I'm OK with that.
>
> Is it as easy as you intimate in that there is an obivous "SKIP" button?

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 09:59 UTC

On 2023-03-27 05:46, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>
>> Google Groups stopped adding groups, some time ago.
>>
>> It has added a ton of its own private groups.
>> Which nobody cares about.
>

....

> Which was well before Google changed their archival links to something easy
> to remember, but when the "N" archives used exactly those monikers, namely:
> <https://alt.comp.microsoft.windows.narchive.com>
> <https://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.narchive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-11.narchive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narchive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-8.narchive.com>

Site not found.

> What I had created were tinyurl links which were the best I could do then:

One more reason not to use tiny URLs.
Albeit they work in this case.

> <https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-microsoft-windows>
> <https://tinyurl.com/microsoft-public-windowsxp-gen> (30-character limit)
> I also had created an easier URL:<https://tinyurl.com/windowsxp-general>
> <alt.comp.os.windows-11> At the time this didn't exist for me to set up
> <https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>

Redirects to <http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=52>

....

> Which, after the great reshuffling, currently boil down to the following
> much easier to remember and logically derived Google Groups search links:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>

This one works.

> <https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
> <alt.comp.os.windows-11>
> <alt.comp.os.windows-10>
> <alt.comp.os.windows-8>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.msdos.batch>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.ipad>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>
> etc.
>
> In summary, I "think" Google _does_ add groups when _they_ see fit.
> They just do NOT see fit to add Windows variants as archived groups.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Re: I have Windows 10 - to move to Windows 11 - do I need to establish a Microsoft Account?

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From: robin_li...@es.invalid (Carlos E.R.)
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Subject: Re: I have Windows 10 - to move to Windows 11 - do I need to
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 by: Carlos E.R. - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:24 UTC

On 2023-03-26 23:14, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-03-26 22:41, Paul wrote:
>> On 3/26/2023 3:06 PM, Peter wrote:
>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> If you search on this group (windows-11)
>>>
>>> Given many usenet nntp servers automatically expire articles quickly,
>>> and given most newsgroups are archived by Google but not this one,
>>> what web search engine do you suggest for archives of this newsgroup?
>>>
>>
>> Let's test.
>>
>> This is as far back as I can go right now, on Eternal-September.
>>
>>     15 May 2022
>>
>> <t5rtfn$b70c$1@news.mixmin.net>
>
> I have, locally, posts going back to Jan 2022 in the Windows 11 group.

I missed other threads. For example, from last October:

Current best way to set up a local account

There is also a discussion on using on MSA, then deleting it (and
telling M$ to close it).

And beware if the disk is encrypted.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Andy Burns - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:51 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> It is not my fault that google groups is broken. And it was not me who
> said that alt.comp.os.windows-10 is in google groups but
> alt.comp.os.windows-11 is not.

neither a.c.o.w10 or a.c.o.w11 exist in google groups, but a.c.m.w does
exist

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