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 by: Ant - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 02:07 UTC

https://bethesda.net/en/account/transfer-library

It took a while to migrate my free games though.
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 by: PW - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 03:44 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:07:51 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>https://bethesda.net/en/account/transfer-library
>
>It took a while to migrate my free games though.

*--

I don't know what Bethesda games I have with them. Hmm...

-pw

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 14:04 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:44:53 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:07:51 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>>https://bethesda.net/en/account/transfer-library

>>It took a while to migrate my free games though.

>I don't know what Bethesda games I have with them. Hmm...

Fortunately, this is one migration I don't have to worry about.
Although I have a good number of Bethesda titles, none of them used
the Bethesda client*, and I neither bothered to create an account with
them nor downloaded their software. In fact, Bethesda went onto my
"no-buy" list because of the damn thing.

They're off it now, of course. Never thought I'd be grateful for the
Microsoft monopoly swallowing up yet-another company...

----------------------
* Technically incorrect. IIRC, "Doom: Eternal" nominally used the
Bethesda client, and if you launched it directly from Steam, it
prompted you to get an account. Launching the executable directly,
however, you could bypass that nonsense.

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 by: PW - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 17:19 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:04:07 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:44:53 -0600, PW
><iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:07:51 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>>>https://bethesda.net/en/account/transfer-library
>
>>>It took a while to migrate my free games though.
>
>>I don't know what Bethesda games I have with them. Hmm...
>
>Fortunately, this is one migration I don't have to worry about.
>Although I have a good number of Bethesda titles, none of them used
>the Bethesda client*, and I neither bothered to create an account with
>them nor downloaded their software. In fact, Bethesda went onto my
>"no-buy" list because of the damn thing.
>
>They're off it now, of course. Never thought I'd be grateful for the
>Microsoft monopoly swallowing up yet-another company...
>
>

*--

Okay - then I can't use this. I never heard of the Bethesda Client

One of the best Bethesda games or sport games I have ever played was a
simple NFL game by them that just had Xs and Os. It was for my Atari
ST!

There was a strategy wargame for my ST that was exceptional but I
can't remember the name of it.

-pw

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:19 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 11:19:58 -0600, PW
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>Okay - then I can't use this. I never heard of the Bethesda Client

Bethesda's launch of their, erm, launcher was one of the more
befuddling moves. Had they released it in the mid 2000s or early
2010s, it would have made more sense; a lot of companies were trying
to create their own little marketplaces (EA with Origin, Ubisoft with
UPlay, etc). but in 2020, it was becoming more obvious that the
expense of those projects didn't really justify the cost. The Bethesda
launcher didn't add anything to the experience either; the games were
still available on other platforms (notably Steam) and you could still
get achievements, etc. there. The launcher was just a bit of
inconvenient middle-ware that got between the player and the game.

I suspect it was the result either of some C-level whose pants were in
a twist over the company's dependence on Valve, or it was created as a
negotiating tactic to try and get lower fees ("only take a 10% cut or
we'll only sell our games through our own storefront!"). Either way,
its pointlessness of it was so obvious that - almost as soon as
Microsoft buyout of the company was complete - they announced the
imminent demise of the software.

Fortunately, it didn't last long enough to get its claws too deep into
too many games, making the transition away from it that much easier. I
think it was only embedded in a handful of games - "Fallout 76", "Doom
Eternal", "Wolfenstein Young Blood" - with most of their older titles
remaining free of its taint. It's no wonder some people never even
knew it existed.

>One of the best Bethesda games or sport games I have ever played was a
>simple NFL game by them that just had Xs and Os. It was for my Atari
>ST!

You are probably thinking of "Gridiron!" (the exclamation mark is very
important ;-), a Bethesda Softworks game that came out for Atari (and
Amiga) in 1986. Its visuals were a bit more sophisticated than Xs and
Os... but not by much.

>There was a strategy wargame for my ST that was exceptional but I
>can't remember the name of it.

Well, I'm at a loss as what that could be. My (very limited) searches
indicate Bethesda only released two titles for the Atari ST - the
aforementioned "Gridiron!" (with the ever important punctuation), and
a hockey game, "Wayne Gretzky Hockey". Strategy wasn't really their
forte either; they were mostly action and RPG games, with a smattering
of sports titles.

(Myself, I was always fond of their Terminator games. "Future Shock"
usually is the one that gets the most mention, but I have a warm spot
in my heart for "Terminator 2029", if only for its blue-tinged visuals
and MIDI rendition of the Terminator theme. Meanwhile, their 1991 "The
Terminator" plays like a very early prototype for an Elder Scrolls
game. It's not that much fun to play, but I appreciate it for its
historical value ;-)

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 by: Mark P. Nelson - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:20 UTC

ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote in news:AL-dnfTUD71qa_T_nZ2dnUU7-
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> https://bethesda.net/en/account/transfer-library
>
> It took a while to migrate my free games though.

The only thing I ever used their client for was the Skyrim Creation Kit. I
have no idea how to access this now.

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 by: Ant - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 19:20 UTC

Mark P. Nelson <markpnelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> > https://bethesda.net/en/account/transfer-library
> >
> > It took a while to migrate my free games though.

> The only thing I ever used their client for was the Skyrim Creation Kit. I
> have no idea how to access this now.

Ask their support and forum?
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 by: Mike S. - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 19:54 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 14:19:20 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>(Myself, I was always fond of their Terminator games. "Future Shock"
>usually is the one that gets the most mention, but I have a warm spot
>in my heart for "Terminator 2029", if only for its blue-tinged visuals
>and MIDI rendition of the Terminator theme. Meanwhile, their 1991 "The
>Terminator" plays like a very early prototype for an Elder Scrolls
>game. It's not that much fun to play, but I appreciate it for its
>historical value ;-)

There is at least one more.

Terminator Rampage.

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 by: rms - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 21:45 UTC

>Fortunately, this is one migration I don't have to worry about.
>Although I have a good number of Bethesda titles, none of them used
>the Bethesda client

I actually did buy one or two items on their store: It's been some time,
but I think they were official updates to Doom 1&2 that there was some
implication were exclusive to the Bclient. I don't recall the details now,
but shelled out the $5 or whatever

rms

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:49 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:54:27 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 14:19:20 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>>(Myself, I was always fond of their Terminator games. "Future Shock"
>>usually is the one that gets the most mention, but I have a warm spot
>>in my heart for "Terminator 2029", if only for its blue-tinged visuals
>>and MIDI rendition of the Terminator theme. Meanwhile, their 1991 "The
>>Terminator" plays like a very early prototype for an Elder Scrolls
>>game. It's not that much fun to play, but I appreciate it for its
>>historical value ;-)

>There is at least one more.

>Terminator Rampage.

More than that, actually. The "Terminator 2 Arcade Game" (an on-rails
light-gun shooter ported to PC), and "Terminator 2 Chess". Plus
"Skynet", the stand-alone expansion to "Future Shock". The latter was
a worthy successor to T:FS, but it gets enough praise already.
"T2:Chess" was pretty awful though, both as a chess game (insultingly
bad AI), and as a video-game (it had some very rough animations).

I thought "Rampage" was awful too, although I guess it may have some
fans. It was mostly the terrible level designs; it was set entirely an
an office complex; a mazelike mess of identical corridors and rooms,
with some very unfair enemy placements (e.g., exploding drones that
sit right behind a door, so you've no chance to back away before they
go boom). For its time it had some impressively high-res graphics, but
the - like "Wolfenstein 3D" - it only allowed right-angle junctions
and - coming out after "Underworld" and only a few months before
"Doom" - it felt dated even on release. On the plus side it did
continue the story-line started in "Terminator: 2029" (and "Rampage's"
story was further built upon by "Future Shock").

(TL;DR: there was a reason I didn't mention "Terminator: Rampage" when
I was talking about the Bethesda Terminator games ;-)

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ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote in
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> Mark P. Nelson <markpnelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> > https://bethesda.net/en/account/transfer-library
>> >
>> > It took a while to migrate my free games though.
>
>> The only thing I ever used their client for was the Skyrim Creation
>> Kit. I have no idea how to access this now.
>
> Ask their support and forum?

It used to be that Steam only had the Creation Kit for the old Skyrim, but I
have now discovered that they do, in fact, now also have the kit for the
spedial edition

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 by: Ant - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 03:48 UTC

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:54:27 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
> wrote:

> >On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 14:19:20 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
> ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>(Myself, I was always fond of their Terminator games. "Future Shock"
> >>usually is the one that gets the most mention, but I have a warm spot
> >>in my heart for "Terminator 2029", if only for its blue-tinged visuals
> >>and MIDI rendition of the Terminator theme. Meanwhile, their 1991 "The
> >>Terminator" plays like a very early prototype for an Elder Scrolls
> >>game. It's not that much fun to play, but I appreciate it for its
> >>historical value ;-)

> >There is at least one more.

> >Terminator Rampage.

> More than that, actually. The "Terminator 2 Arcade Game" (an on-rails
> light-gun shooter ported to PC), and "Terminator 2 Chess". Plus
> "Skynet", the stand-alone expansion to "Future Shock". The latter was
> a worthy successor to T:FS, but it gets enough praise already.
> "T2:Chess" was pretty awful though, both as a chess game (insultingly
> bad AI), and as a video-game (it had some very rough animations).

> I thought "Rampage" was awful too, although I guess it may have some
> fans. It was mostly the terrible level designs; it was set entirely an
> an office complex; a mazelike mess of identical corridors and rooms,
> with some very unfair enemy placements (e.g., exploding drones that
> sit right behind a door, so you've no chance to back away before they
> go boom). For its time it had some impressively high-res graphics, but
> the - like "Wolfenstein 3D" - it only allowed right-angle junctions
> and - coming out after "Underworld" and only a few months before
> "Doom" - it felt dated even on release. On the plus side it did
> continue the story-line started in "Terminator: 2029" (and "Rampage's"
> story was further built upon by "Future Shock").

> (TL;DR: there was a reason I didn't mention "Terminator: Rampage" when
> I was talking about the Bethesda Terminator games ;-)

I remember those Terminator games. :P Does anyone remember this cheesy basic T2 game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7_WqSlQJI ;)
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:49:40 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>(TL;DR: there was a reason I didn't mention "Terminator: Rampage" when
>I was talking about the Bethesda Terminator games ;-)

I played a lot of the Bethesda Terminator games back in the day, I
still own them, but I can barely remember them now. I have little to
no memory of them.

I said it before... the way you can keep all of these games straight
in your head is impressive to me.

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 by: PW - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 16:05 UTC

>Fortunately, it didn't last long enough to get its claws too deep into
>too many games, making the transition away from it that much easier. I
>think it was only embedded in a handful of games - "Fallout 76", "Doom
>Eternal", "Wolfenstein Young Blood" - with most of their older titles
>remaining free of its taint. It's no wonder some people never even
>knew it existed.

I bought the Wolfensteins via Steam but do not have Young Blood, and
Doom Eternal.

>
>>One of the best Bethesda games or sport games I have ever played was a
>>simple NFL game by them that just had Xs and Os. It was for my Atari
>>ST!
>
>You are probably thinking of "Gridiron!" (the exclamation mark is very
>important ;-), a Bethesda Softworks game that came out for Atari (and
>Amiga) in 1986. Its visuals were a bit more sophisticated than Xs and
>Os... but not by much.

Gridiron!!! That was it!

>
>>There was a strategy wargame for my ST that was exceptional but I
>>can't remember the name of it.
>
>Well, I'm at a loss as what that could be. My (very limited) searches
>indicate Bethesda only released two titles for the Atari ST - the
>aforementioned "Gridiron!" (with the ever important punctuation), and
>a hockey game, "Wayne Gretzky Hockey". Strategy wasn't really their
>forte either; they were mostly action and RPG games, with a smattering
>of sports titles.

I don't think it was a Bethesda game. And it was a visual game with
icons and the ability to build up resources and attacks.

I am not going to go over all of these pages!
http://www.atarimania.com/list_games_atari-st-strategy-wargame_genre_155_S_G.html

or these! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atari_ST_games

I don't think I have any of the cartridges or whatever they came in. I
do remember spending a lot of money on a 20 *MB* hard drive that
hardly worked.

-pw

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 17:02 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:54:27 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:

>I remember those Terminator games. :P Does anyone remember this cheesy
>basic T2 game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7_WqSlQJI ;)

Wow, I missed that one. My collection is incomplete! EBay, here I
come!

That said, it's both an Ocean Games /and/ an LJN title, neither
company which inspires me with much confidence as to the quality of
the game. So much crap came out of those companies I'm not surprised
I'd not heard of this one. Combine that with the almost legendary
awfulness of licensed titles, and I seriously wonder if I should even
try to acquire this game for the collection...

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 17:13 UTC

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 07:47:46 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:49:40 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>(TL;DR: there was a reason I didn't mention "Terminator: Rampage" when
>>I was talking about the Bethesda Terminator games ;-)
>
>I played a lot of the Bethesda Terminator games back in the day, I
>still own them, but I can barely remember them now. I have little to
>no memory of them.
>
>I said it before... the way you can keep all of these games straight
>in your head is impressive to me.

In fairness, when it comes to DOS-era games, I can 'cheat' because I
have a huge number of them installed on the hard-drive, so if I ever
need to talk about them, I can just quickly refresh my memory by
firing up the game in question.

That said, "Terminator 2029" was one of my favorites from that era,
and I played it a lot, so the memories remain quite fresh on their
own. It's not a game that's held up too well, sadly (largely due to
its annoyingly large and mazelike levels) but at the time I adored the
game. With its tile-based movement, it was a slightly more actionified
sci-fi take on games like "Bards Tale", albeit minus the party and
with a lot better production values.

I also have a number of less-favorable memories of "Rampage", which
was such a disappointing step-down from its predecessor that it
couldn't help but leave an impression. It was a game I kept playing
despite how little I was enjoying it, in part because I couldn't
believe "Rampage" could really be as bad as it seemed. Surely it must
get better at some point, I thought; I just had to persevere until
then (it never got any better). I also recall I also had a lot of
problems even getting it to run; there was some conflict with my DOS
CD-ROM drivers, and I had to resort to some sort of CD-ROM emulation
program. That sort of frustration was memorable.

I've a lot fewer memories of the other Terminator games, though. They
existed, I played them, sure... but they don't stick in my mind quite
like those two.

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 17:40 UTC

>>>On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 11:19:58 -0600, PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 14:19:20 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:05:26 -0600, PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

>>Fortunately, it didn't last long enough to get its claws too deep into
>>too many games, making the transition away from it that much easier. I
>>think it was only embedded in a handful of games - "Fallout 76", "Doom
>>Eternal", "Wolfenstein Young Blood" - with most of their older titles
>>remaining free of its taint. It's no wonder some people never even
>>knew it existed.

>I bought the Wolfensteins via Steam but do not have Young Blood, and
>Doom Eternal.

The earlier 'new era' Wolfenstein games - "New Order", "Old Blood",
and "New Colossus" - came out before Bethesda's launcher was created.
I don't know if they ever retrofit the games to use the launcher
afterward. Only "New Blood" was contemporaneous with the launcher.

>>>There was a strategy wargame for my ST that was exceptional but I
>>>can't remember the name of it.
>I don't think it was a Bethesda game. And it was a visual game with
>icons and the ability to build up resources and attacks.

>I am not going to go over all of these pages!
>http://www.atarimania.com/list_games_atari-st-strategy-wargame_genre_155_S_G.html
>or these! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atari_ST_games

>I don't think I have any of the cartridges or whatever they came in. I
>do remember spending a lot of money on a 20 *MB* hard drive that
>hardly worked.

I was never into the Atari ST. Atari, for me, always made me think of
the early faux-wood-paneled Atari 2600 consoles. Excellent machines
for when they were released, sure, but by the time I started getting
into computers, they felt dated and obsolete. So the association of
the Atari name with a computer was actually a negative, as far as I
was concerned. That said, the Atari 1040ST was - based on its specs* -
a far superior platform to anything I was using back in '86... but I
still wouldn't have touched it simply because of its branding.

So while I have a great familiarity with DOS games of the era, a good
familiarity with Amiga, C64 and Apple software from that time, and an
okay knowledge of Nintendo/Sega/etc. console-wares, when it comes to
Atari stuff, I'm just not the person to ask ;-)

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* * an 8MHz 16-bit CPU with 1MB RAM?!? Wowie-zowie!!!!!!

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 20:01 UTC

On 4/29/2022 10:02 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:54:27 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>
>> I remember those Terminator games. :P Does anyone remember this cheesy
>> basic T2 game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7_WqSlQJI ;)
>
> Wow, I missed that one. My collection is incomplete! EBay, here I
> come!
>
> That said, it's both an Ocean Games /and/ an LJN title, neither
> company which inspires me with much confidence as to the quality of
> the game. So much crap came out of those companies I'm not surprised
> I'd not heard of this one. Combine that with the almost legendary
> awfulness of licensed titles, and I seriously wonder if I should even
> try to acquire this game for the collection...
>
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL SPALLS HURGENSON?!

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 22:25 UTC

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 13:01:44 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 4/29/2022 10:02 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>>> I remember those Terminator games. :P Does anyone remember this cheesy
>>> basic T2 game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7_WqSlQJI ;)

>> Wow, I missed that one. My collection is incomplete! EBay, here I
>> come!

>WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL SPALLS HURGENSON?!

If it reassures you any, it turns out I already owned the game and
just didn't see it because I have too many damn games.

Ignore any rumors that the real Spalls Hurgenson has been kidnapped by
a robot replicant and locked into a cell in an underground lair as
part of an elaborate plan to take over the world. That's just silly
talk. I'm a Normal Earth Human just like the rest of you. Beep.

Now stop worry about such things and go back to playing your video
games. There is nothing strange going on here.

Beep.

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 by: Ant - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 01:38 UTC

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:54:27 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
> >> wrote:

> >I remember those Terminator games. :P Does anyone remember this cheesy
> >basic T2 game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7_WqSlQJI ;)

> Wow, I missed that one. My collection is incomplete! EBay, here I
> come!

> That said, it's both an Ocean Games /and/ an LJN title, neither
> company which inspires me with much confidence as to the quality of
> the game. So much crap came out of those companies I'm not surprised
> I'd not heard of this one. Combine that with the almost legendary
> awfulness of licensed titles, and I seriously wonder if I should even
> try to acquire this game for the collection...

Oh, I forgot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnO0ShP56aA.
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 by: JAB - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 10:20 UTC

On 29/04/2022 18:02, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:54:27 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>
>> I remember those Terminator games. :P Does anyone remember this cheesy
>> basic T2 game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7_WqSlQJI ;)
>
> Wow, I missed that one. My collection is incomplete! EBay, here I
> come!
>
> That said, it's both an Ocean Games /and/ an LJN title, neither
> company which inspires me with much confidence as to the quality of
> the game. So much crap came out of those companies I'm not surprised
> I'd not heard of this one. Combine that with the almost legendary
> awfulness of licensed titles, and I seriously wonder if I should even
> try to acquire this game for the collection...
>

Ocean Software, that takes me back a bit to my Speccky 48k days. Like
you I can't say I though much of their output in general as they seemed
to miss the message that other developers quickly got, at least for me
anyway.

Games that were really based around the concept of home computer games
are arcade games but with the limitations of a what a home computer can
do where fine to start with but then you started getting games shifting
to looking beyond the idea that games need to be structured to get you
to put another 10p in.

That doesn't mean that there aren't games that I remember fondly around
that concept but I'm glad that more developers moved to playing to home
computer's strengths and not weaknesses.

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 15:52 UTC

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 20:38:00 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>> >Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:54:27 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 14:19:20 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >I remember those Terminator games. :P Does anyone remember this cheesy
>> >basic T2 game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7_WqSlQJI ;)

>> Wow, I missed that one. My collection is incomplete! EBay, here I
>> come!

>Oh, I forgot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnO0ShP56aA.

I didn't:
>>>>> Meanwhile, their 1991 "The Terminator" plays like a very early prototype
>>>>> for an Elder Scrolls game. It's not that much fun to play, but I appreciate
>>>>>it for its historical value ;-)

;-);-);-)

It really is a very rough game, and - firing it up again - I am
reminded why its so often forgotten amongst the other Bethesda (and
Terminator) games. It's amazingly forward thinking - it has an
impressively large (for the time) open world, you can drive vehicles,
enter buildings and shops, there are reactive police... you can even
play as either the Terminator or Reese. But the capabilities of the
hardware just weren't up to the vision, and the actual gameplay feels
like a very barebones "Arena" with imprecise combat.

A fascinating tech-demo, but not something that inspires you to play
for very long.

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 16:06 UTC

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:20:33 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>On 29/04/2022 18:02, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

>> That said, it's both an Ocean Games /and/ an LJN title, neither
>> company which inspires me with much confidence as to the quality of
>> the game. So much crap came out of those companies I'm not surprised
>> I'd not heard of this one. Combine that with the almost legendary
>> awfulness of licensed titles, and I seriously wonder if I should even
>> try to acquire this game for the collection...

>Ocean Software, that takes me back a bit to my Speccky 48k days. Like
>you I can't say I though much of their output in general as they seemed
>to miss the message that other developers quickly got, at least for me
>anyway.

>Games that were really based around the concept of home computer games
>are arcade games but with the limitations of a what a home computer can
>do where fine to start with but then you started getting games shifting
>to looking beyond the idea that games need to be structured to get you
>to put another 10p in.

>That doesn't mean that there aren't games that I remember fondly around
>that concept but I'm glad that more developers moved to playing to home
>computer's strengths and not weaknesses.

That definitely was an issue but not my main problem with Ocean
titles. A lot of developers struggled with the transition from
arcade-game to home-gaming; it took years for the idea to sink in that
people who paid $50 for their product might want to see all of it
instead just the first few screens. The fact that many of Ocean's
games were either direct ports (or poorly-disguised imitations) of
arcade titles didn't help them.

But - at least in my experience - Ocean games also suffered from a
lack of polish; poorer visuals, worse sound, uncomfortable and
nonstandard control schemes, bad implementation of a PCs
capabilities... stuff like that. Again, part of this probably had to
do with the company's origins - they were almost entirely programming
for the 8-bit PCs in Europe (the Speccy, Amstrad, MSX, etc) and were
late to the party on the x86 computers - but that was little comfort
to anyone who had to play their PC games.

Ocean titles were always more trouble, less advanced, and less fun to
play than those of their competitors. They may have had a better
reptutation on the 8-bits, but by the time I started encountering them
on 16-bit games, they were generally a label to avoid.

IMHO. YMMC. OALA;EHOATAFOS ;-)

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 by: Ant - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 22:01 UTC

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 20:38:00 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0500, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >> >Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:54:27 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 14:19:20 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >I remember those Terminator games. :P Does anyone remember this cheesy
> >> >basic T2 game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7_WqSlQJI ;)

> >> Wow, I missed that one. My collection is incomplete! EBay, here I
> >> come!

> >Oh, I forgot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnO0ShP56aA.

> I didn't:
> >>>>> Meanwhile, their 1991 "The Terminator" plays like a very early prototype
> >>>>> for an Elder Scrolls game. It's not that much fun to play, but I appreciate
> >>>>>it for its historical value ;-)

> ;-);-);-)

> It really is a very rough game, and - firing it up again - I am
> reminded why its so often forgotten amongst the other Bethesda (and
> Terminator) games. It's amazingly forward thinking - it has an
> impressively large (for the time) open world, you can drive vehicles,
> enter buildings and shops, there are reactive police... you can even
> play as either the Terminator or Reese. But the capabilities of the
> hardware just weren't up to the vision, and the actual gameplay feels
> like a very barebones "Arena" with imprecise combat.

> A fascinating tech-demo, but not something that inspires you to play
> for very long.

I almost bought that game, but decided not to. It's a good thing because
it looks slow and boring! They should remake this for modern hardwares.
;)
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 by: JAB - Sun, 1 May 2022 10:33 UTC

On 30/04/2022 17:06, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:20:33 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>> On 29/04/2022 18:02, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>
>>> That said, it's both an Ocean Games /and/ an LJN title, neither
>>> company which inspires me with much confidence as to the quality of
>>> the game. So much crap came out of those companies I'm not surprised
>>> I'd not heard of this one. Combine that with the almost legendary
>>> awfulness of licensed titles, and I seriously wonder if I should even
>>> try to acquire this game for the collection...
>
>> Ocean Software, that takes me back a bit to my Speccky 48k days. Like
>> you I can't say I though much of their output in general as they seemed
>> to miss the message that other developers quickly got, at least for me
>> anyway.
>
>> Games that were really based around the concept of home computer games
>> are arcade games but with the limitations of a what a home computer can
>> do where fine to start with but then you started getting games shifting
>> to looking beyond the idea that games need to be structured to get you
>> to put another 10p in.
>
>> That doesn't mean that there aren't games that I remember fondly around
>> that concept but I'm glad that more developers moved to playing to home
>> computer's strengths and not weaknesses.
>
> That definitely was an issue but not my main problem with Ocean
> titles. A lot of developers struggled with the transition from
> arcade-game to home-gaming; it took years for the idea to sink in that
> people who paid $50 for their product might want to see all of it
> instead just the first few screens. The fact that many of Ocean's
> games were either direct ports (or poorly-disguised imitations) of
> arcade titles didn't help them.
>
> But - at least in my experience - Ocean games also suffered from a
> lack of polish; poorer visuals, worse sound, uncomfortable and
> nonstandard control schemes, bad implementation of a PCs
> capabilities... stuff like that. Again, part of this probably had to
> do with the company's origins - they were almost entirely programming
> for the 8-bit PCs in Europe (the Speccy, Amstrad, MSX, etc) and were
> late to the party on the x86 computers - but that was little comfort
> to anyone who had to play their PC games.
>
> Ocean titles were always more trouble, less advanced, and less fun to
> play than those of their competitors. They may have had a better
> reptutation on the 8-bits, but by the time I started encountering them
> on 16-bit games, they were generally a label to avoid.
>
> IMHO. YMMC. OALA;EHOATAFOS ;-)
>

My recollection is from the 8-bit days and although the old memory is a
bit hazy there just seemed a disconnect between what they were
outputting and how big a brand they were. I don't remember it being a
quality issue as such but instead one of there were far more interesting
games out then than ones that seemed stuck in 1982/3.

Another way to look at it was why would I spend £5.99 of my hard earned
money from my paper-round on a Ocean game instead of something from a
developer who seemed to have sat back and decided to do not just
something different but also making the type of game they wanted to
play. The Lords of Midnight vs. another arcade type game, no contest there.

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