Is it me or is it hard to resize, adjust, and reorganize the start menu
in updated Windows 10 Pro?

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ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>Is it me or is it hard to resize, adjust, and reorganize the start menu
>in updated Windows 10 Pro?
>
>Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

I mean, yeah, Win10 is for the birds, if you ask me. I upgraded to 11
the same day of its public release, and have never looked back. I
didn't build this computer in the year of 11's release, just to cling
to the ugly, old Win10 interface. Screw that.

(I do realize that not everyone has the hardware to upgrade to Win11,
though.)

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On 5/22/23 16:48, this is what Ant wrote:
> Is it me or is it hard to resize, adjust, and reorganize the start menu
> in updated Windows 10 Pro?
>
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
No issues here, I first simply right click and unpinned all the junk. Made a folder or group (whatever it's called) and
put all the MS stuff in there. Then I just pinned my apps to the start menu, drag a few around and I got it.

Same for Windows 11. At least Windows 10 has room for more start menu items though, goodness knows why MS only put a
few items on Windows 11 start menu!!
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Big Al writes:

>> Is it me or is it hard to resize, adjust, and reorganize the start menu
>> in updated Windows 10 Pro?
>>
>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>
> No issues here, I first simply right click and unpinned all the junk.
> Made a folder or group (whatever it's called) and
> put all the MS stuff in there.
> Then I just pinned my apps to the start menu,
> drag a few around and I got it.

What I think most people do is copy the Windows alphabetical start menu to
a new folder and organize that folder into a set of hierarchical folders.

If you call that top folder "start menu" & if you pin it to the taskbar
then you can use it as your own personal accordion start menu (as in XP).

Whenever you install a new program, you slide the newly created desktop
icon to run it into your personal pullout start menu and you're done.

No programs know about your personal accordion start menu so no programs
will be messing it up with all their garbage (like readme's and the like).

I think that's what most people do. Certainly that's what I do.
There are no disadvantages that I can think of to this personal start menu.

Can you think of any disadvantages?
> Same for Windows 11. At least Windows 10 has room for more start menu
> items though, goodness knows why MS only put a
> few items on Windows 11 start menu!!

In Windows 11, it's a little harder because they dropped the ability to pin
a cascaded pullout folder on the taskbar (giving no reason for that).

Why do you think they removed pinned folders on the task bar in Windows 11?

On 5/22/2023 4:48 PM, Ant wrote:
> Is it me or is it hard to resize, adjust, and reorganize the start menu
> in updated Windows 10 Pro?
>
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>

Pritty. All that advertising. It has its own Dibney icon.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/TYxh0c1S/Win10-Start-Menu.gif

*******

https://www.albright.edu/about-albright/offices-departments/dsi/kb/w10startmenu/

"How do I organize my Start Menu in Windows 10?

You can drag applications from the Most Used Apps or All Apps lists
to the right side of the Start Menu. You can also right-click a specific
application and select “Pin to Start Menu.” Once you’ve pinned your tiles,
you can drag and group them. You are able to access a text box above the
groupings that allows you to rename the groups. You can also right-click
individual tiles to resize them or disable the “Live Tile” functionality
that may allow for content to change on the face of the tile such as
current news and information. Microsoft has an article, but you will
need to be a level 39 Wizard to get it."

So there ya go.

In the process of attempting to acquire the page with the magical Microsoft
help, it caused my Linux setup to freeze. Had to push reset. Keyboard dead.
And this is why we buy computers. For the aggravation of course. And that
wasn't a VM either. That was a physical install that froze up on me. On
a machine with 64GB of RAM. LM21 Cinn.

Do we live in a great timeline, or what ? WinXP is beginning to look
like a marvel of stability.

I get it.

Microsoft doesn't want to help us.

OK.

Paul

Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>Big Al writes:
>
>> Same for Windows 11. At least Windows 10 has room for more start menu
>> items though, goodness knows why MS only put a
>> few items on Windows 11 start menu!!
>
>In Windows 11, it's a little harder because they dropped the ability to pin
>a cascaded pullout folder on the taskbar (giving no reason for that).
>
>Why do you think they removed pinned folders on the task bar in Windows 11?

Hey, if you want to run outdated, and just dated, software, stick with
Win10, by all means. Some of us are living in the year it actually
is, though.

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Joel writes:

>>Why do you think they removed pinned folders on the task bar in Windows 11?
>
> Hey, if you want to run outdated, and just dated, software, stick with
> Win10, by all means. Some of us are living in the year it actually
> is, though.

Your obvious troll, in a Windows 10 newsgroup notwithstanding, does anyone
(intelligent) have any idea what Microsoft said was its reason for dropping
the very useful ability to pin a start menu to the taskbar in Windows 11?

On 5/22/2023 4:48 PM, Ant wrote:

> Is it me or is it hard to resize, adjust, and reorganize the start menu
> in updated Windows 10 Pro?

I think most people don't try. They copy it and arrange it as they like.
Then they pin the result to their taskbar and that works best for everyone.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/pin-apps-and-folders-to-the-desktop-or-taskbar-f3c749fb-e298-4cf1-adda-7fd635df6bb0

If you like videos, here's the movie on how to pin a folder to the taskbar.
https://youtu.be/qOfOo8p2vD4

On 5/22/2023 4:55 PM, Joel wrote:
> ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>> Is it me or is it hard to resize, adjust, and reorganize the start menu
>> in updated Windows 10 Pro?
>>
>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>
>
> I mean, yeah, Win10 is for the birds, if you ask me. I upgraded to 11
> the same day of its public release, and have never looked back. I
> didn't build this computer in the year of 11's release, just to cling
> to the ugly, old Win10 interface. Screw that.
>
> (I do realize that not everyone has the hardware to upgrade to Win11,
> though.)

My 8 year old 4-core Intel I7-4790K still does everything I throw at it
(a bit more than most people who aren't gamers). I had to replace
the external GPU, but other than that, it continues to perform very
well. I didn't skimp when I bought it's components. I think some system
builders are still using the I7-4790K for "budget builds". Important
software axiom (learned the hard way, by experience!): If it's not
broke, then don't fix it! :) Peace.

Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>> (I do realize that not everyone has the hardware to upgrade to Win11,
>> though.)
>
>My 8 year old 4-core Intel I7-4790K still does everything I throw at it
>(a bit more than most people who aren't gamers). I had to replace
>the external GPU, but other than that, it continues to perform very
>well. I didn't skimp when I bought it's components. I think some system
>builders are still using the I7-4790K for "budget builds". Important
>software axiom (learned the hard way, by experience!): If it's not
>broke, then don't fix it! :) Peace.

You're right, of course, a fourth gen i7 is still very much usable,
just not with Win11. I'm glad Microsoft is giving you a couple more
years.

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Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

>>>Why do you think they removed pinned folders on the task bar in Windows 11?
>>
>> Hey, if you want to run outdated, and just dated, software, stick with
>> Win10, by all means. Some of us are living in the year it actually
>> is, though.
>
>Your obvious troll, in a Windows 10 newsgroup notwithstanding, does anyone
>(intelligent) have any idea what Microsoft said was its reason for dropping
>the very useful ability to pin a start menu to the taskbar in Windows 11?

Oh, sure, I'm trolling because I point out the obvious fact, that so
many people on Usenet cling to outmoded tech. It's actually kind of
amazing, to me, because I am still here on Usenet, and on IRC, but
also on modern stuff, so I see the different characters you will get.
It's incredible how, here on an older forum like Usenet, you get this
played out, dated, out of touch kind of stuff, so routinely.

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Joel Crump

Joel writes:

> Oh, sure, I'm trolling

How much of what you wrote, that you spent all your energy writing, that
you pondered for years perhaps, and then added your insight, helped the OP?

Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

>> Oh, sure, I'm trolling
>
>How much of what you wrote, that you spent all your energy writing, that
>you pondered for years perhaps, and then added your insight, helped the OP?

I wrote it fairly casually, actually, I'm a real intellect, I may be
46 years old but I'm living in 2023, aware of contemporary culture.
I'm not gonna be one of these retards on Usenet, who thinks the answer
to the OP's question is even existent. Their question came across as
more of a *rhetorical* question, really, Win11's Start menu is
superior to 10's by light years, and really, any of the even-older
Windows versions before it, including 7 and XP. I am living in 2023.

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Joel Crump

On 5/22/2023 10:15 PM, Joel wrote:

> You're right, of course, a fourth gen i7 is still very much usable,
> just not with Win11. I'm glad Microsoft is giving you a couple more
> years.
>

Bless their heart!

Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>> You're right, of course, a fourth gen i7 is still very much usable,
>> just not with Win11. I'm glad Microsoft is giving you a couple more
>> years.
>
>Bless their heart!

If you really want to see what your old box can still do, though,
Linux is the answer. Win10 is probably OK, at least right now, but
you would find your machine to be very powerful, if it were running
Linux.

--
Joel Crump

On 5/23/2023 1:24 AM, Joel wrote:
> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>>> You're right, of course, a fourth gen i7 is still very much usable,
>>> just not with Win11. I'm glad Microsoft is giving you a couple more
>>> years.
>>
>> Bless their heart!
>
>
> If you really want to see what your old box can still do, though,
> Linux is the answer. Win10 is probably OK, at least right now, but
> you would find your machine to be very powerful, if it were running
> Linux.
>

It already does (run Linux). It and Windows are running concurrently at
this moment.

Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>>>> You're right, of course, a fourth gen i7 is still very much usable,
>>>> just not with Win11. I'm glad Microsoft is giving you a couple more
>>>> years.
>>>
>>> Bless their heart!
>>
>> If you really want to see what your old box can still do, though,
>> Linux is the answer. Win10 is probably OK, at least right now, but
>> you would find your machine to be very powerful, if it were running
>> Linux.
>
>It already does (run Linux). It and Windows are running concurrently at
>this moment.

Ah, very cool. :)

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Joel Crump

On Tue, 23 May 2023 02:46:47 +0300, Scott Lurndal
<scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

>Big Al writes:
>
>>> Is it me or is it hard to resize, adjust, and reorganize the start menu
>>> in updated Windows 10 Pro?
>>>
>>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>>
>> No issues here, I first simply right click and unpinned all the junk.
>> Made a folder or group (whatever it's called) and
>> put all the MS stuff in there.
>> Then I just pinned my apps to the start menu,
>> drag a few around and I got it.
>
>What I think most people do is copy the Windows alphabetical start menu to
>a new folder and organize that folder into a set of hierarchical folders.

*Most* people? I strongly doubt it. Perhaps some people do, but most
people use Windows the way it comes.

>
>If you call that top folder "start menu" & if you pin it to the taskbar
>then you can use it as your own personal accordion start menu (as in XP).
>
>Whenever you install a new program, you slide the newly created desktop
>icon to run it into your personal pullout start menu and you're done.
>
>No programs know about your personal accordion start menu so no programs
>will be messing it up with all their garbage (like readme's and the like).
>
>I think that's what most people do. Certainly that's what I do.
>There are no disadvantages that I can think of to this personal start menu.
>
>Can you think of any disadvantages?
>
>> Same for Windows 11. At least Windows 10 has room for more start menu
>> items though, goodness knows why MS only put a
>> few items on Windows 11 start menu!!
>
>In Windows 11, it's a little harder because they dropped the ability to pin
>a cascaded pullout folder on the taskbar (giving no reason for that).
>
>Why do you think they removed pinned folders on the task bar in Windows 11?

Ken Blake writes:

> Perhaps some people do

Some day you will say something that doesn't sound like it came from the
mouth of an idiot. You'll actually say something to add content instead of
subtracting content every single time you post your useless trite garbage.

On 5/23/2023 11:46 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Ken Blake writes:
>
>> Perhaps some people do
>
> Some day you will say something that doesn't sound like it came from the
> mouth of an idiot. You'll actually say something to add content instead of
> subtracting content every single time you post your useless trite garbage.
>

I keep program icons on the desktop, and drag and
drop stuff onto them to start. For example, the GIMP
image editor, I'll drop a PNG onto it, to start an editing
session.

I don't think I've ever used the Metro App tiles, or
wasted the time even testing how to rearrange them.
Presumably this is an internal cost/benefit analysis on
my part, that there's no way I could "reduce the entropy
of the universe, using just a mouse" :-)

You can grab a shortcut of a Metro App from shell:appsfolder
and put that on the desktop if you want. For example, I have
"Calculator Shortcut" on the desktop, but I'm just as likely
to do a Start : Run : calc to start that one, because it takes
time to find the icon.

I find the right-click Start menu is useful, with Terminal,
Disk Management and Device Manager. I use that stuff all the
time, and the menu items in there are high runners for me.
And maybe the win32 Agent Ransack from the left-click menu.

But much of the other stuff, is just crushed rock filler.
Re-arranging it, would not make me "love it". If you don't
find yourself "attracted" to a feature like that, then
messing around with it really isn't going to help.

The Windows 8 menu design, was a way of communicating "how
tough the problem is for us at Microsoft". The menu wasn't
really meant to be practical in that case, and more a way of
enumerating just how many programs were on the machine.

They bought ClipChamp from a third party, promoted the hell out
of it. Attempted to shove it in peoples faces. And... I never
used it. One of the sins they committed, is they made Clipchamp
(a video editor???) present itself when single image editing
was called for. And I considered that to be a sign of "desperation" :-)
So now, I resort to Wiki, to see what I was missing, and this
is what I see. OK. Next! Where is Steve Jobs when we need him
("magical?"). They make the same mistakes, over and over,
and expect a different result (the Mail App is the poster boy
for this - placing settings and controls on three sides of a
window is NOT how you design an application).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Microsoft_Clipchamp_screenshot.png

Summary: I understand they have Metro Apps... but I don't know "why".
Brainwashing isn't going to work. They make a MediaPlayer.app
with fewer functions than Legacy Windows Media Player, and then
they sit there stumped, as to why people don't use the new one.

Paul