In Windows 10 ever since Windows 8 days I've pinned a folder to the start
menu and used that folder as a pullout start menu for my application
shortcuts.

I'm told that Microsoft hasn't told anyone that they secretly removed this
because Microsoft wanted people to use only the menus that Microsoft
provided - and not their own customized menus.

As a direct result of Microsoft attempt to get rid of custom menus, I'm
told anyone who had a pinned menu on Windows 10 lost that capability to run
their own menus off the task bar when they migrated from Windows 10 to
Windows 11.

Is that correct?

I can't imagine Microsoft being that sleazy, but maybe they would be that
sleazy given how few the people out there that use the barely customizable
menus Microsoft provides.

I'm still on Windows 10 and I will NOT move to Windows 11 if Microsoft has
really destroyed the last capability of people managing their own menus.

But when I google, I find information that seems to say that Microsoft
tried but failed to remove the capability of people having custom menus.
https://www.trustedreviews.com/how-to/how-to-pin-apps-or-folders-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-11-4292976

That implies you can pin a folder to the task bar in Windows 11, just like
you can in Windows 10. If that folder contains a hierarchy of folders that
themselves contain shortcuts, isn't that the Win10 cascade menu on Win11?

Or is that Win11 folder a "dead folder" in that it won't cascade like an
accordion as it did on Win10 (and on every other Windows since 95)?

On 27/06/2023 05:48, Daniel Washington wrote:
> In Windows 10 ever since Windows 8 days I've pinned a folder to the start
> menu and used that folder as a pullout start menu for my application
> shortcuts.
>
> I'm told that Microsoft hasn't told anyone that they secretly removed this
> because Microsoft wanted people to use only the menus that Microsoft
> provided - and not their own customized menus.
>
> As a direct result of Microsoft attempt to get rid of custom menus, I'm
> told anyone who had a pinned menu on Windows 10 lost that capability to run
> their own menus off the task bar when they migrated from Windows 10 to
> Windows 11.
> Is that correct?
>
> I can't imagine Microsoft being that sleazy, but maybe they would be that
> sleazy given how few the people out there that use the barely customizable
> menus Microsoft provides.
>
> I'm still on Windows 10 and I will NOT move to Windows 11 if Microsoft has
> really destroyed the last capability of people managing their own menus.
>
> But when I google, I find information that seems to say that Microsoft
> tried but failed to remove the capability of people having custom menus.
> https://www.trustedreviews.com/how-to/how-to-pin-apps-or-folders-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-11-4292976
>
>
> That implies you can pin a folder to the task bar in Windows 11, just like
> you can in Windows 10. If that folder contains a hierarchy of folders that
> themselves contain shortcuts, isn't that the Win10 cascade menu on Win11?
>
> Or is that Win11 folder a "dead folder" in that it won't cascade like an
> accordion as it did on Win10 (and on every other Windows since 95)?

Install Open-Shell.

MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> said:

>> But when I google, I find information that seems to say that Microsoft
>> tried but failed to remove the capability of people having custom menus.
>> https://www.trustedreviews.com/how-to/how-to-pin-apps-or-folders-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-11-4292976
>>
>> That implies you can pin a folder to the task bar in Windows 11, just like
>> you can in Windows 10. If that folder contains a hierarchy of folders that
>> themselves contain shortcuts, isn't that the Win10 cascade menu on Win11?
>>
>> Or is that Win11 folder a "dead folder" in that it won't cascade like an
>> accordion as it did on Win10 (and on every other Windows since 95)?
>
> Install Open-Shell.

Just as only the clueless idiots who didn't know anything about Windows
installed Classic Shell (or whatever the name morphed to) it's ludicrous to
install Open Shell to pin an expanding folder to the Win11 task bar menu.

People who use those hacks are always those who know nothing about Windows.

Pinning expanding menu folders-of-menus to the Windows 11 taskbar is easy.
https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-11-taskbar-pin-almost-anything/

On 28/06/2023 17:27, Eowin O wrote:
> MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> said:
>
>>> But when I google, I find information that seems to say that Microsoft
>>> tried but failed to remove the capability of people having custom menus.
>>> https://www.trustedreviews.com/how-to/how-to-pin-apps-or-folders-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-11-4292976
>>>
>>> That implies you can pin a folder to the task bar in Windows 11, just like
>>> you can in Windows 10. If that folder contains a hierarchy of folders that
>>> themselves contain shortcuts, isn't that the Win10 cascade menu on Win11?
>>>
>>> Or is that Win11 folder a "dead folder" in that it won't cascade like an
>>> accordion as it did on Win10 (and on every other Windows since 95)?
>>
>> Install Open-Shell.
>
> Just as only the clueless idiots who didn't know anything about Windows
> installed Classic Shell (or whatever the name morphed to) it's ludicrous to
> install Open Shell to pin an expanding folder to the Win11 task bar menu.
>
> People who use those hacks are always those who know nothing about Windows.

Wrong. I use Classic Shell in W8.1 & could use Open Shell in W10 & W11
for its convenience not because I can't do it another way.

> Pinning expanding menu folders-of-menus to the Windows 11 taskbar is easy.
> https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-11-taskbar-pin-almost-anything/
>

--
Regards
wasbit

wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> said:

>> People who use those hacks are always those who know nothing about Windows.
>
> Wrong. I use Classic Shell in W8.1 & could use Open Shell in W10 & W11
> for its convenience not because I can't do it another way.

I respectfully disagree on that as people who used Classic Shell didn't
know how Windows worked since the pinning of folders never left Windows.

They "thought" it did.
But it didn't.

None of them knew they could pin a cascading menu folder to the taskbar.

Of course, Classic Shell did MORE than just re-create the WinXP Start Menu.
So you may have used Classic Shell for MORE than just re-create the menu.

But most people who installed Classic Shell were stupid.
Same here with Open Shell.

It's the same people who install unnecessary tools like screenshotters.
Many even pay $25 for a screenshot program on Windows.

They are always the same people who install these unnecessary shells.
You can pin an expanding menu folder onto the Windows 11 task bar instead.

On 29/06/2023 13:47, Eowin O wrote:
> wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> said:
>
>>> People who use those hacks are always those who know nothing about Windows.
>>
>> Wrong. I use Classic Shell in W8.1 & could use Open Shell in W10 & W11
>> for its convenience not because I can't do it another way.
>
> I respectfully disagree on that as people who used Classic Shell didn't
> know how Windows worked since the pinning of folders never left Windows.
>
> They "thought" it did.
> But it didn't.
>
> None of them knew they could pin a cascading menu folder to the taskbar.
>
> Of course, Classic Shell did MORE than just re-create the WinXP Start Menu.
> So you may have used Classic Shell for MORE than just re-create the menu.
>
> But most people who installed Classic Shell were stupid.
> Same here with Open Shell.
>
> It's the same people who install unnecessary tools like screenshotters.
> Many even pay $25 for a screenshot program on Windows.
>
> They are always the same people who install these unnecessary shells.
> You can pin an expanding menu folder onto the Windows 11 task bar instead.
>
As pointed out by wasbit Open/Classic Shell makes many customisations
fast and easy. I could cut my grass with a pair of scissors but I don't.
I use a lawnmower because its faster and easier.

MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> said:

>> They are always the same people who install these unnecessary shells.
>> You can pin an expanding menu folder onto the Windows 11 task bar instead.
>>
> As pointed out by wasbit Open/Classic Shell makes many customisations
> fast and easy. I could cut my grass with a pair of scissors but I don't.
> I use a lawnmower because its faster and easier.

I respectfully disagree.
Most people who use Open/Classic Shell don't know how to use Windows.

As I pointed out, and agree with wasbit, if you use Open/Classic Shell to
do a LOT MORE than just pin a customized menu to the taskbar, that's OK.

But if you are one of the millions of people who were too stupid to know
that you could pin a cascading accordion menu to the Windows taskbar to
recreate exactly the Windows XP expanding start menu, that's not OK.

The people who resort to these unnecessary hacks are always people who
don't know anything about Windows - they only follow the advertising.

It's not like cutting your grass with scissors. It's more like cutting your
grass with scissors because you don't realize a lawnmower has a pull start
(while you are expecting to press a remote control to start the lawnmower).

If all you want to do is replicate the WinXP start menu, you just pin a
cascading folder of folders each with shortcuts to the Windows 11 taskbar.

On 27/6/2023, MikeS wrote:

>> But when I google, I find information that seems to say that Microsoft
>> tried but failed to remove the capability of people having custom menus.
>> https://www.trustedreviews.com/how-to/how-to-pin-apps-or-folders-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-11-4292976
>>
>> That implies you can pin a folder to the task bar in Windows 11, just like
>> you can in Windows 10. If that folder contains a hierarchy of folders that
>> themselves contain shortcuts, isn't that the Win10 cascade menu on Win11?
>>
>> Or is that Win11 folder a "dead folder" in that it won't cascade like an
>> accordion as it did on Win10 (and on every other Windows since 95)?
>
> Install Open-Shell.

Someone is always trying to sell you (for $6 in this case) something you
don't need (because it's already free and easily available in Windows 11).
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-replace-the-windows-11-start-menu/

But for those who want to install complicated software, there is OpenShell.
https://allthings.how/how-to-download-and-use-open-shell-on-windows-11/
https://www.makeuseof.com/open-shell-in-windows-11/
https://screenrant.com/windows-11-open-shell-classic-start-menu/

This complicated stuff makes the news because simple answers are boring.
https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/26/openshell_windows_11/
https://thegeekpage.com/how-to-install-open-shell-to-restore-the-classic-start-menu-on-windows-11/
https://www.minitool.com/news/open-shell-windows-11.html

For those who want to use complicated stuff for simple tasks, it's here.
https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/

Specifically, it's on Github for those who like complex replacements.
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases/tag/v4.4.170
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases/download/v4.4.170/OpenShellSetup_4_4_170.exe

Name: OpenShellSetup_4_4_170.exe
Size: 7380480 bytes (7207 KiB)
SHA256: 0417041CFFED3478F13A840E45EE304CCF8D1F9CA38E4126BC315161AC9F1669

On 29/06/2023 17:15, Eowin O wrote:
>
> The people who resort to these unnecessary hacks are always people who
> don't know anything about Windows - they only follow the advertising.
>
The people on usenet who are the most dogmatic, self-opinionated and
self-righteous are always people who understand very little about anything.