OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone a
while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really get
my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support and
recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.

gfretwell wrote:

> OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone a
> while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
> I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really get
> my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support and
> recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.

What exactly do you need to know? I mean, using VMware Player or Workstation
is pretty straightforward.

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It was sad, it was sick and it was bizarre.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone a
>while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really get
>my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support and
>recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.

Yup, DOSBOX ain't it.

It's OK for occasional running of old TurboPascal programs, but not
for everyday work.

--
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 07:47:40 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>>OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone a
>>while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>>I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really get
>>my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support and
>>recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.
>
>Yup, DOSBOX ain't it.
>
>It's OK for occasional running of old TurboPascal programs, but not
>for everyday work.

OK thanks. I think I will just tune up my W/98 machine.
I just don't do it often but I have 2 handy W/3.1 programs that run
OK with 98 and when I need them, not much else will work without
buying something newer and more complicated for my needs.
I may have a work around for DOSBOX but I haven't had a chance to try
it.
I downloaded a copy of Pipe Dream, the old W/3.1 game and that package
gives you a W/3.1 load that runs in DOSBOX on 7. My programs seem to
run OK in that environment. If I can get FAXWORKS going in that W/3. 1
I can use it as a printer in the drop down and create TIF files that I
can open and print with 7.
Aniother problem I have going the hardware only and a native load is
finding a printer that DOS will talk to. My old IBM laser finally died

gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 07:47:40 +0200, Steve Hayes
> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone
>>> a while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>>> I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really
>>> get my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support
>>> and recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.
>>
>> Yup, DOSBOX ain't it.
>>
>> It's OK for occasional running of old TurboPascal programs, but not
>> for everyday work.
>
> OK thanks. I think I will just tune up my W/98 machine.
> I just don't do it often but I have 2 handy W/3.1 programs that run
> OK with 98 and when I need them, not much else will work without
> buying something newer and more complicated for my needs.
> I may have a work around for DOSBOX but I haven't had a chance to try
> it.
> I downloaded a copy of Pipe Dream, the old W/3.1 game and that package
> gives you a W/3.1 load that runs in DOSBOX on 7. My programs seem to
> run OK in that environment. If I can get FAXWORKS going in that W/3. 1
> I can use it as a printer in the drop down and create TIF files that I
> can open and print with 7.
> Aniother problem I have going the hardware only and a native load is
> finding a printer that DOS will talk to. My old IBM laser finally died

Have you looked at VDOS. I run 1 DOS program from Windows 10 Pro 64 bit and
what I like about VDOS is it gives me access to the network printer.
--
<Bill>

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:03:35 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
wrote:

>gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 07:47:40 +0200, Steve Hayes
>> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone
>>>> a while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>>>> I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really
>>>> get my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support
>>>> and recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>
>>> Yup, DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>
>>> It's OK for occasional running of old TurboPascal programs, but not
>>> for everyday work.
>>
>> OK thanks. I think I will just tune up my W/98 machine.
>> I just don't do it often but I have 2 handy W/3.1 programs that run
>> OK with 98 and when I need them, not much else will work without
>> buying something newer and more complicated for my needs.
>> I may have a work around for DOSBOX but I haven't had a chance to try
>> it.
>> I downloaded a copy of Pipe Dream, the old W/3.1 game and that package
>> gives you a W/3.1 load that runs in DOSBOX on 7. My programs seem to
>> run OK in that environment. If I can get FAXWORKS going in that W/3. 1
>> I can use it as a printer in the drop down and create TIF files that I
>> can open and print with 7.
>> Aniother problem I have going the hardware only and a native load is
>> finding a printer that DOS will talk to. My old IBM laser finally died
>
>Have you looked at VDOS. I run 1 DOS program from Windows 10 Pro 64 bit and
>what I like about VDOS is it gives me access to the network printer.

Thanks. I will give that a shot.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:03:35 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
wrote:

>gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 07:47:40 +0200, Steve Hayes
>> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone
>>>> a while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>>>> I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really
>>>> get my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support
>>>> and recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>
>>> Yup, DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>
>>> It's OK for occasional running of old TurboPascal programs, but not
>>> for everyday work.
>>
>> OK thanks. I think I will just tune up my W/98 machine.
>> I just don't do it often but I have 2 handy W/3.1 programs that run
>> OK with 98 and when I need them, not much else will work without
>> buying something newer and more complicated for my needs.
>> I may have a work around for DOSBOX but I haven't had a chance to try
>> it.
>> I downloaded a copy of Pipe Dream, the old W/3.1 game and that package
>> gives you a W/3.1 load that runs in DOSBOX on 7. My programs seem to
>> run OK in that environment. If I can get FAXWORKS going in that W/3. 1
>> I can use it as a printer in the drop down and create TIF files that I
>> can open and print with 7.
>> Aniother problem I have going the hardware only and a native load is
>> finding a printer that DOS will talk to. My old IBM laser finally died
>
>Have you looked at VDOS. I run 1 DOS program from Windows 10 Pro 64 bit and
>what I like about VDOS is it gives me access to the network printer.

Could you get W3.1 to run in that box?

gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:03:35 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
> wrote:
>
>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 07:47:40 +0200, Steve Hayes
>>> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been
>>>>> gone a while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>>>>> I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really
>>>>> get my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer
>>>>> support and recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX
>>>>> ain't it.
>>>>
>>>> Yup, DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>>
>>>> It's OK for occasional running of old TurboPascal programs, but not
>>>> for everyday work.
>>>
>>> OK thanks. I think I will just tune up my W/98 machine.
>>> I just don't do it often but I have 2 handy W/3.1 programs that run
>>> OK with 98 and when I need them, not much else will work without
>>> buying something newer and more complicated for my needs.
>>> I may have a work around for DOSBOX but I haven't had a chance to
>>> try it.
>>> I downloaded a copy of Pipe Dream, the old W/3.1 game and that
>>> package gives you a W/3.1 load that runs in DOSBOX on 7. My
>>> programs seem to run OK in that environment. If I can get FAXWORKS
>>> going in that W/3. 1 I can use it as a printer in the drop down and
>>> create TIF files that I can open and print with 7.
>>> Aniother problem I have going the hardware only and a native load is
>>> finding a printer that DOS will talk to. My old IBM laser finally
>>> died
>>
>> Have you looked at VDOS. I run 1 DOS program from Windows 10 Pro 64
>> bit and what I like about VDOS is it gives me access to the network
>> printer.
>
> Could you get W3.1 to run in that box?

I run WinXP Pro from VirtualBox where I have installed my old Borland
programming tools. I doubt you could run windows with VDOS. I use VDOS to
run some old MSDOS programs I created and still use such as 1 for preparing
building construction estimates.

<Bill>

On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:39:15 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
wrote:

>gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:03:35 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 07:47:40 +0200, Steve Hayes
>>>> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been
>>>>>> gone a while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>>>>>> I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really
>>>>>> get my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer
>>>>>> support and recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX
>>>>>> ain't it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup, DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's OK for occasional running of old TurboPascal programs, but not
>>>>> for everyday work.
>>>>
>>>> OK thanks. I think I will just tune up my W/98 machine.
>>>> I just don't do it often but I have 2 handy W/3.1 programs that run
>>>> OK with 98 and when I need them, not much else will work without
>>>> buying something newer and more complicated for my needs.
>>>> I may have a work around for DOSBOX but I haven't had a chance to
>>>> try it.
>>>> I downloaded a copy of Pipe Dream, the old W/3.1 game and that
>>>> package gives you a W/3.1 load that runs in DOSBOX on 7. My
>>>> programs seem to run OK in that environment. If I can get FAXWORKS
>>>> going in that W/3. 1 I can use it as a printer in the drop down and
>>>> create TIF files that I can open and print with 7.
>>>> Aniother problem I have going the hardware only and a native load is
>>>> finding a printer that DOS will talk to. My old IBM laser finally
>>>> died
>>>
>>> Have you looked at VDOS. I run 1 DOS program from Windows 10 Pro 64
>>> bit and what I like about VDOS is it gives me access to the network
>>> printer.
>>
>> Could you get W3.1 to run in that box?
>
>I run WinXP Pro from VirtualBox where I have installed my old Borland
>programming tools. I doubt you could run windows with VDOS. I use VDOS to
>run some old MSDOS programs I created and still use such as 1 for preparing
>building construction estimates.
>
><Bill>
>

Thanks. I have an old XP machine and I think that runs W/3.1 stuff but
I haven't tried it for years. I seem to remember it worked ... sorta.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:39:15 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
wrote:

>I run WinXP Pro from VirtualBox

So do I, in both win-7 and win-10. Works just fine. I primarily use it
to run a couple of old games I really enjoy but which won't run on
Windows-Later-Than-XP.

-dan z-

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gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:39:15 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
> wrote:
>
>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:03:35 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw"
>>> <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 07:47:40 +0200, Steve Hayes
>>>>> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been
>>>>>>> gone a while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>>>>>>> I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could
>>>>>>> really get my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with
>>>>>>> printer support and recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the
>>>>>>> leap. DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's OK for occasional running of old TurboPascal programs, but
>>>>>> not for everyday work.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK thanks. I think I will just tune up my W/98 machine.
>>>>> I just don't do it often but I have 2 handy W/3.1 programs that
>>>>> run OK with 98 and when I need them, not much else will work
>>>>> without buying something newer and more complicated for my needs.
>>>>> I may have a work around for DOSBOX but I haven't had a chance to
>>>>> try it.
>>>>> I downloaded a copy of Pipe Dream, the old W/3.1 game and that
>>>>> package gives you a W/3.1 load that runs in DOSBOX on 7. My
>>>>> programs seem to run OK in that environment. If I can get FAXWORKS
>>>>> going in that W/3. 1 I can use it as a printer in the drop down
>>>>> and create TIF files that I can open and print with 7.
>>>>> Aniother problem I have going the hardware only and a native load
>>>>> is finding a printer that DOS will talk to. My old IBM laser
>>>>> finally died
>>>>
>>>> Have you looked at VDOS. I run 1 DOS program from Windows 10 Pro
>>>> 64 bit and what I like about VDOS is it gives me access to the
>>>> network printer.
>>>
>>> Could you get W3.1 to run in that box?
>>
>> I run WinXP Pro from VirtualBox where I have installed my old Borland
>> programming tools. I doubt you could run windows with VDOS. I use
>> VDOS to run some old MSDOS programs I created and still use such as
>> 1 for preparing building construction estimates.
>>
>> <Bill>
>>
>
> Thanks. I have an old XP machine and I think that runs W/3.1 stuff but
> I haven't tried it for years. I seem to remember it worked ... sorta.

One time I installed W3.1, I still have the disks, in VBox and wait until
you see the interface. Windows has come a long ways.

<Bill>

dyno dan <logic@is.important> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:39:15 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I run WinXP Pro from VirtualBox
>
>
> So do I, in both win-7 and win-10. Works just fine. I primarily use it
> to run a couple of old games I really enjoy but which won't run on
> Windows-Later-Than-XP.

You say later than XP, which implies they do run on XP. If so, have
you tried to set Compatibility on the .exe file(s)?

As I mentioned elsewhere, I've some very old XP-era software, which
still runs on (Vista, 8.1 and) 11 by setting Compatibility to some
earlier version.

On 26 Nov 2023 10:25:28 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

> You say later than XP, which implies they do run on XP. If so, have
>you tried to set Compatibility on the .exe file(s)?

Yes. Being games, I suspect they may be programmed to use specific
routines from Windows in the interest of speed, and that those
routines are no longer there, at least in the same place.

-dan z-

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On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 08:52:01 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
wrote:

>gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:39:15 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:03:35 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw"
>>>> <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 07:47:40 +0200, Steve Hayes
>>>>>> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been
>>>>>>>> gone a while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>>>>>>>> I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could
>>>>>>>> really get my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with
>>>>>>>> printer support and recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the
>>>>>>>> leap. DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup, DOSBOX ain't it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's OK for occasional running of old TurboPascal programs, but
>>>>>>> not for everyday work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK thanks. I think I will just tune up my W/98 machine.
>>>>>> I just don't do it often but I have 2 handy W/3.1 programs that
>>>>>> run OK with 98 and when I need them, not much else will work
>>>>>> without buying something newer and more complicated for my needs.
>>>>>> I may have a work around for DOSBOX but I haven't had a chance to
>>>>>> try it.
>>>>>> I downloaded a copy of Pipe Dream, the old W/3.1 game and that
>>>>>> package gives you a W/3.1 load that runs in DOSBOX on 7. My
>>>>>> programs seem to run OK in that environment. If I can get FAXWORKS
>>>>>> going in that W/3. 1 I can use it as a printer in the drop down
>>>>>> and create TIF files that I can open and print with 7.
>>>>>> Aniother problem I have going the hardware only and a native load
>>>>>> is finding a printer that DOS will talk to. My old IBM laser
>>>>>> finally died
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you looked at VDOS. I run 1 DOS program from Windows 10 Pro
>>>>> 64 bit and what I like about VDOS is it gives me access to the
>>>>> network printer.
>>>>
>>>> Could you get W3.1 to run in that box?
>>>
>>> I run WinXP Pro from VirtualBox where I have installed my old Borland
>>> programming tools. I doubt you could run windows with VDOS. I use
>>> VDOS to run some old MSDOS programs I created and still use such as
>>> 1 for preparing building construction estimates.
>>>
>>> <Bill>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks. I have an old XP machine and I think that runs W/3.1 stuff but
>> I haven't tried it for years. I seem to remember it worked ... sorta.
>
>One time I installed W3.1, I still have the disks, in VBox and wait until
>you see the interface. Windows has come a long ways.
>
><Bill>
>

That pipe dream game runs in a W/3.1 installation in DOSBOX. If you
just minimize the game you are looking at a 3.1 desk top and any other
program in that directory will run. It just won't find a printer. I
may try an install of FAXWORKS there and just create TIFs that W/7 can
see. I am very familiar with 3.1 tho. I was still running a machine
with it 20 years ago. and I started with it back in the early 90s when
it was the hot new thing.

On 26 Nov 2023 10:25:28 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>dyno dan <logic@is.important> wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:39:15 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I run WinXP Pro from VirtualBox
>>
>>
>> So do I, in both win-7 and win-10. Works just fine. I primarily use it
>> to run a couple of old games I really enjoy but which won't run on
>> Windows-Later-Than-XP.
>
> You say later than XP, which implies they do run on XP. If so, have
>you tried to set Compatibility on the .exe file(s)?
>
> As I mentioned elsewhere, I've some very old XP-era software, which
>still runs on (Vista, 8.1 and) 11 by setting Compatibility to some
>earlier version.

64 bit Windows still seems to puke on 16 bit programs, even in
compatibility mode.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:02:57 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On 26 Nov 2023 10:25:28 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>dyno dan <logic@is.important> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:39:15 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I run WinXP Pro from VirtualBox
>>>
>>>
>>> So do I, in both win-7 and win-10. Works just fine. I primarily use it
>>> to run a couple of old games I really enjoy but which won't run on
>>> Windows-Later-Than-XP.
>>
>> You say later than XP, which implies they do run on XP. If so, have
>>you tried to set Compatibility on the .exe file(s)?
>>
>> As I mentioned elsewhere, I've some very old XP-era software, which
>>still runs on (Vista, 8.1 and) 11 by setting Compatibility to some
>>earlier version.
>
>64 bit Windows still seems to puke on 16 bit programs, even in
>compatibility mode.

But of course. 64-bit Windows can run 64-bit and 32-bit executables, while
32-bit Windows can run 32-bit and 16-bit executables. That capability is called
WoW, or Windows on Windows.

I have a couple of 16-bit programs, including a checkers game, that I run in
32-bit XP, while XP is itself a guest VM under VMware running on 64-bit Windows
10.

Char Jackson wrote on 27/11/23 9:12 am:

<Snip>

> But of course. 64-bit Windows can run 64-bit and 32-bit executables,
> while 32-bit Windows can run 32-bit and 16-bit executables. That
> capability is called WoW, or Windows on Windows.

Char, when I brought this HP 6730b 64bit machine it had 32bit Windows7
WOW installed on it. I've since installed, dual boot, a 64bit
MageiaLinux OS.

Are you suggesting (if I had a need) I could run 16bit programs on my
Win7WOW installation on this 64bit machine??
--
Daniel

On 11/27/2023 3:38 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
> Char Jackson wrote on 27/11/23 9:12 am:
>
> <Snip>
>
>> But of course. 64-bit Windows can run 64-bit and 32-bit executables,
>> while 32-bit Windows can run 32-bit and 16-bit executables. That
>> capability is called WoW, or Windows on Windows.
>
> Char, when I brought this HP 6730b 64bit machine it had 32bit Windows7 WOW installed on it. I've since installed, dual boot, a 64bit MageiaLinux OS.
>
> Are you suggesting (if I had a need) I could run 16bit programs on my Win7WOW installation on this 64bit machine??

If you installed Windows 7 32-bit then you can run 16-bit programs.
I'd demo for you, if I had a known quantified sample of such a thing.

But I don't have a collection of 16 bit stuff.

I don't know enough about 16-bit executables, to know how many
types there are, and what their level-of-compatibility is. It's
important when you test a thing like this, to not be
shooting from the hip.

*******

In the spirit of DIY, I made one.

*******

https://github.com/open-watcom/open-watcom-v2/releases/tag/Current-build

# This creates multiple output target types, and the filename is named after the OS you are using as host.

open-watcom-2_0-c-win-x86.exe [you install into Win7 x86 OS] 121 MB yesterday

This allows you to compile a sample project.

Make a PDF out of this. There is a drawing of a kitchen.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220803041117/https://open-watcom.github.io/open-watcom-v2-wikidocs/c_readme.html

Once you get the IDE installed in the default location C:\WATCOM,
find the binw directory and double click "ide.exe".

Open Project. Navigate to samples\ide\win.wpj (will be the 16 bit version of draw example)

Actions : Make All

Done!

In File Explorer, navigate to C:\WATCOM\samples\ide\win and launch draw16.exe

This should give the bar-bet picture.

*******

I use the LInux file command and the Virustotal site, for potential identification.
Not really conclusive what the hell I've made here :-)

/mnt/d$ file draw16.exe
draw16.exe: MS-DOS executable, NE for MS Windows 3.x (EXE)

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/2f64102537d3393400bb41095a88fc62b0888b144621040f5b16ee9f559b3765?nocache=1

File type Win16 EXE
Magic MS-DOS executable, NE for MS Windows 3.x (EXE)

*******

Here is the bar bet, showing Windows 7 x86, launching (some kind of) 16 bit executable.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/wT4Lycqs/bar-bet-2243.gif

Paul

On 11/27/2023 7:47 PM, Paul wrote:
> On 11/27/2023 3:38 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Char Jackson wrote on 27/11/23 9:12 am:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>> But of course. 64-bit Windows can run 64-bit and 32-bit executables,
>>> while 32-bit Windows can run 32-bit and 16-bit executables. That
>>> capability is called WoW, or Windows on Windows.
>>
>> Char, when I brought this HP 6730b 64bit machine it had 32bit Windows7 WOW installed on it. I've since installed, dual boot, a 64bit MageiaLinux OS.
>>
>> Are you suggesting (if I had a need) I could run 16bit programs on my Win7WOW installation on this 64bit machine??
>
> If you installed Windows 7 32-bit then you can run 16-bit programs.
> I'd demo for you, if I had a known quantified sample of such a thing.
>
> But I don't have a collection of 16 bit stuff.
>
> I don't know enough about 16-bit executables, to know how many
> types there are, and what their level-of-compatibility is. It's
> important when you test a thing like this, to not be
> shooting from the hip.
>
> *******
>
> In the spirit of DIY, I made one.
>
> *******
>
> https://github.com/open-watcom/open-watcom-v2/releases/tag/Current-build
>
> # This creates multiple output target types, and the filename is named after the OS you are using as host.
>
> open-watcom-2_0-c-win-x86.exe [you install into Win7 x86 OS] 121 MB yesterday
>
> This allows you to compile a sample project.
>
> Make a PDF out of this. There is a drawing of a kitchen.
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20220803041117/https://open-watcom.github.io/open-watcom-v2-wikidocs/c_readme.html
>
> Once you get the IDE installed in the default location C:\WATCOM,
> find the binw directory and double click "ide.exe".
>
> Open Project. Navigate to samples\ide\win.wpj (will be the 16 bit version of draw example)
>
> Actions : Make All
>
> Done!
>
> In File Explorer, navigate to C:\WATCOM\samples\ide\win and launch draw16.exe
>
> This should give the bar-bet picture.
>
> *******
>
> I use the LInux file command and the Virustotal site, for potential identification.
> Not really conclusive what the hell I've made here :-)
>
> /mnt/d$ file draw16.exe
> draw16.exe: MS-DOS executable, NE for MS Windows 3.x (EXE)
>
> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/2f64102537d3393400bb41095a88fc62b0888b144621040f5b16ee9f559b3765?nocache=1
>
> File type Win16 EXE
> Magic MS-DOS executable, NE for MS Windows 3.x (EXE)
>
> *******
>
> Here is the bar bet, showing Windows 7 x86, launching (some kind of) 16 bit executable.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/wT4Lycqs/bar-bet-2243.gif
>

That should be

Here is the bar bet, showing Windows 7 x86, launching (some kind of) 16 bit executable.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/63LvhqSk/bar-bet-2244.gif

Paul

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:02:57 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

Thanks all.
I have been playing with the various emulators and I am just going to
go old school. I found an antique Dell in my garage that I was using
as an MP3 player. I am just going to load native W/98 on it and go
back to the last century. It has a real diskette adapter, parallel
port and I think I may already have an IDE drive with 98 on it. I can
load up all the old software I have and run it from there. As long as
I have a diskette drive I can always boot DOS 6.3 and run it.

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 19:38:08 +1100, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote on 27/11/23 9:12 am:
>
><Snip>
>
>> But of course. 64-bit Windows can run 64-bit and 32-bit executables,
>> while 32-bit Windows can run 32-bit and 16-bit executables. That
>> capability is called WoW, or Windows on Windows.
>
>Char, when I brought this HP 6730b 64bit machine it had 32bit Windows7
>WOW installed on it. I've since installed, dual boot, a 64bit
>MageiaLinux OS.
>
>Are you suggesting (if I had a need) I could run 16bit programs on my
>Win7WOW installation on this 64bit machine??

Yes, I expect that you can run 16-bit apps on your 32-bit Windows machine.

Paul wrote on 28/11/23 11:50 am:
> On 11/27/2023 7:47 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On 11/27/2023 3:38 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> Char Jackson wrote on 27/11/23 9:12 am:
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>> But of course. 64-bit Windows can run 64-bit and 32-bit
>>>> executables, while 32-bit Windows can run 32-bit and 16-bit
>>>> executables. That capability is called WoW, or Windows on
>>>> Windows.
>>>
>>> Char, when I brought this HP 6730b 64bit machine it had 32bit
>>> Windows7 WOW installed on it. I've since installed, dual boot, a
>>> 64bit MageiaLinux OS.
>>>
>>> Are you suggesting (if I had a need) I could run 16bit programs
>>> on my Win7WOW installation on this 64bit machine??
>>
>> If you installed Windows 7 32-bit then you can run 16-bit
>> programs. I'd demo for you, if I had a known quantified sample of
>> such a thing.

<Snip>

> Here is the bar bet, showing Windows 7 x86, launching (some kind of)
> 16 bit executable.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/63LvhqSk/bar-bet-2244.gif
>
> Paul
>
Handy to know .... might even be useful, sometime. ;-P
--
Daniel

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone a
>while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really get
>my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support and
>recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.

I ran VM SP 5 on IBM 370 architecture -- a 4341 mainframe......
it is a whole different animal than this pc product -- which i have also run
also if you used CMS, IMO you used the best file-editor available on a mainframe.
(for too many years i missed the "all" command.)
VM - the original LAN in a box.....

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone a
>while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
>I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really get
>my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support and
>recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.

Guessing you are talking about mainframe architecture -- load decks, strung core and all....
VMWARE for PCs is a totally different animal.

I am an ex-sysprog in another lifetime for VM on 370 mainframes (4341)

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 09:55:36 -0400
jackpatton@astraweb.com wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:55:52 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
> >OK I knew about VM when it was running on 360s but I have been gone a
> >while. Where is the quick start info on VM ware?
> >I still have a W/98 machines and 2 XP machines. If I could really get
> >my old stuff (back to DOS) to look native, with printer support and
> >recognizing ANSI tags , I might make the leap. DOSBOX ain't it.
>
> Guessing you are talking about mainframe architecture -- load decks, strung core and all....
> VMWARE for PCs is a totally different animal.
>
> I am an ex-sysprog in another lifetime for VM on 370 mainframes (4341)
>
I used VM/CMS for a bit.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.