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* which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakPastor Pentium
+* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakMarco Moock
|+* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakThe Natural Philosopher
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+* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Andreas Kohlbach
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| `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Andreas Kohlbach
|  `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak25.BX945
|   `- Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Andreas Kohlbach
+* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Dan Espen
|`* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakMarco Moock
| +* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakLew Pitcher
| |`- Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakPoprocks
| +- Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Dan Espen
| `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Computer Nerd Kev
|  `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak25.BX945
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|   | | `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakStéphane CARPENTIER
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|   |         +* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Richard Kettlewell
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|   |         |+* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakBit Twister
|   |         ||`- Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakThe Natural Philosopher
|   |         |+- Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak25.BX945
|   |         |`* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Richard Kettlewell
|   |         | `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakThe Natural Philosopher
|   |         |  `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Richard Kettlewell
|   |         |   +* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakRoger Blake
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|   |         |   |||`* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakThe Natural Philosopher
|   |         |   ||| `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak25.BX945
|   |         |   |||  `- Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakThe Natural Philosopher
|   |         |   ||`* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakThe Natural Philosopher
|   |         |   || `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Computer Nerd Kev
|   |         |   ||  `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakThe Natural Philosopher
|   |         |   ||   `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Computer Nerd Kev
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|   |         |   ||      `- Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak25.BX945
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|   |         |   `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakThe Natural Philosopher
|   |         |    `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Richard Kettlewell
|   |         |     `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Computer Nerd Kev
|   |         |      +* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Richard Kettlewell
|   |         |      |+- Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Computer Nerd Kev
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|   `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Bud Frede
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+* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???Anna
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| `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakRobert Riches
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|   +* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpakRobert Riches
|   `* Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???jan Anja
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 by: Pastor Pentium - Thu, 5 May 2022 09:41 UTC

Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
it. You can remove this cancer, but a number of applications have no deb
file!
I use linux because I won't fine-grained control, install things with
yum/apt/zypper.
Stop fixing shit that ain't broke!

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 by: Marco Moock - Thu, 5 May 2022 10:23 UTC

Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 17:41:51 Uhr schrieb Pastor Pentium:

> Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
> it. You can remove this cancer, but a number of applications have no
> deb file!
> I use linux because I won't fine-grained control, install things with
> yum/apt/zypper.
> Stop fixing shit that ain't broke!

Debian comes without snapd by default. Linux Mint also. They both have
DEB packages for Firefox - Ubuntu 22.04 doesn't have.
I haven't checked, but I think that Slackware will also not use snap be
default.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 5 May 2022 11:11 UTC

On 05/05/2022 11:23, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 17:41:51 Uhr schrieb Pastor Pentium:
>
>> Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
>> it. You can remove this cancer, but a number of applications have no
>> deb file!
>> I use linux because I won't fine-grained control, install things with
>> yum/apt/zypper.
>> Stop fixing shit that ain't broke!
>
> Debian comes without snapd by default. Linux Mint also. They both have
> DEB packages for Firefox - Ubuntu 22.04 doesn't have.
> I haven't checked, but I think that Slackware will also not use snap be
> default.
>
Yes, so far apart from the systemd 'creeping featurism' weed, Mint
remains fairly - er - vanilla?

Leastways it hasn't annoyed me enough to go looking at other distros.

--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

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 by: Marco Moock - Thu, 5 May 2022 11:48 UTC

Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 12:11:10 Uhr schrieb The Natural
Philosopher:

> Leastways it hasn't annoyed me enough to go looking at other distros.

I have never tried mint. I switched my i686-only machines to Debian 2
years ago and I still use Ubuntu on my main machines. When I need to
reinstall the OS there I will switch them to Debian.

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 by: Bit Twister - Thu, 5 May 2022 14:47 UTC

On Thu, 5 May 2022 17:41:51 +0800, Pastor Pentium wrote:
> Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
> it. You can remove this cancer, but a number of applications have no deb
> file!
> I use linux because I won't fine-grained control, install things with
> yum/apt/zypper.
> Stop fixing shit that ain't broke!

Subject: Re: which distros will not spread their cheeks to the snap/flatpak mania???

I use Mageia which is a Redhat derivative using urpm as the default package
manager to help manage rpm database, install,remove packages and resists
the occasional snap/flatpak requests by a few users.

Other package managers installed: dpkg, dnf, yum

Like you, I require fine control and the scripting ability for package
management. I have numerous scripts to automate package install and
system modifications.

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 by: Poprocks - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:17 UTC

On 2022-05-05, Marco Moock wrote:
> I haven't checked, but I think that Slackware will also not use snap be
> default.

Slackware definitely does not include SNAP or Flatpak.

You can install Flatpak from Slackbuilds.org (3rd party source-based
repo) though.

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:57 UTC

On Thu, 5 May 2022 17:41:51 +0800, Pastor Pentium wrote:
>
> Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
> it.

Never heard of snap/flatpak. But I use Debian (and Mint, which Debian :-D).
--
Andreas

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 by: Poprocks - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:30 UTC

On 2022-05-05, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2022 17:41:51 +0800, Pastor Pentium wrote:
>>
>> Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
>> it.
>
> Never heard of snap/flatpak. But I use Debian (and Mint, which Debian :-D).

Have you also been living under a rock for the last 5 years? ;-)

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 by: Dan Espen - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:47 UTC

Pastor Pentium <kodak@leica.com> writes:

> Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
> it. You can remove this cancer, but a number of applications have no
> deb file! I use linux because I won't fine-grained control, install
> things with yum/apt/zypper. Stop fixing shit that ain't broke!

Not a big deal in my book.
As you indicate, no problem with removal.
It's not enabled by default in Fedora.
I once installed something using a snap, it seemed slow, so I removed
the snap version and found a package.

Snaps probably serve a useful purpose, I just haven't found it yet.

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 by: Marco Moock - Thu, 5 May 2022 18:54 UTC

Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 13:47:51 Uhr schrieb Dan Espen:

> Snaps probably serve a useful purpose, I just haven't found it yet.
I makes providing software for different Linux distributions much
easier for developers because the only need one snap package that runs
on all distributions.

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 by: Lew Pitcher - Thu, 5 May 2022 19:32 UTC

On Thu, 05 May 2022 20:54:27 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 13:47:51 Uhr schrieb Dan Espen:
>
>> Snaps probably serve a useful purpose, I just haven't found it yet.
> I makes providing software for different Linux distributions much easier
> for developers because the only need one snap package that runs on all
> distributions.

Which was /exactly/ the reasoning back in the early 2000's when the
Linux Standards Base declared that the Redhat Package Manager format
("RPM") was to be the standard package format. It, too, made "providing
software for different Linux distributions much easier for developers"
because they would only need one RPM package that runs on all
distributions.

Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/927/

--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"

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 by: Poprocks - Thu, 5 May 2022 23:56 UTC

On 2022-05-05, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> On Thu, 05 May 2022 20:54:27 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:
>
>> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 13:47:51 Uhr schrieb Dan Espen:
>>
>>> Snaps probably serve a useful purpose, I just haven't found it yet.
>> I makes providing software for different Linux distributions much easier
>> for developers because the only need one snap package that runs on all
>> distributions.
>
> Which was /exactly/ the reasoning back in the early 2000's when the
> Linux Standards Base declared that the Redhat Package Manager format
> ("RPM") was to be the standard package format. It, too, made "providing
> software for different Linux distributions much easier for developers"
> because they would only need one RPM package that runs on all
> distributions.

Yes, except that this standard was adopted with *zero* tools to help
packagers actually produce RPM packages which -- even if converted to a
native package of a distro, or just exploded into /opt -- would run on
multiple distributions.

If there were a strong toolset that could have helped to include shared
libraries over and above the LSB base, desktop, etc. specs, or to
statically link binaries against such libraries, maybe it would have
caught on, but the practical reality was that it ended up being a
standard that wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Fri, 6 May 2022 00:54 UTC

On Thu, 5 May 2022 13:30:43 -0400, Poprocks wrote:
>
> On 2022-05-05, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 May 2022 17:41:51 +0800, Pastor Pentium wrote:
>>>
>>> Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
>>> it.
>>
>> Never heard of snap/flatpak. But I use Debian (and Mint, which Debian :-D).
>
> Have you also been living under a rock for the last 5 years? ;-)

My oldest Debian installation (this article is written on it) is twelve
years old. The new was installed last December. But hadn't noticed snap or
flatpak.
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 by: Dan Espen - Fri, 6 May 2022 01:39 UTC

Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> writes:

> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 13:47:51 Uhr schrieb Dan Espen:
>
>> Snaps probably serve a useful purpose, I just haven't found it yet.
> I makes providing software for different Linux distributions much
> easier for developers because the only need one snap package that runs
> on all distributions.

Yes, I know.
I haven't found a case where I needed it is what I meant.

--
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 by: 25.BX945 - Fri, 6 May 2022 03:58 UTC

On 5/5/22 7:11 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/05/2022 11:23, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 17:41:51 Uhr schrieb Pastor Pentium:
>>
>>> Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
>>> it. You can remove this cancer, but a number of applications have no
>>> deb file!
>>> I use linux because I won't fine-grained control, install things with
>>> yum/apt/zypper.
>>> Stop fixing shit that ain't broke!
>>
>> Debian comes without snapd by default. Linux Mint also. They both have
>> DEB packages for Firefox - Ubuntu 22.04 doesn't have.
>> I haven't checked, but I think that Slackware will also not use snap be
>> default.
>>
> Yes, so far apart from the systemd 'creeping featurism' weed, Mint
> remains fairly - er - vanilla?
>
> Leastways it hasn't annoyed me enough to go looking at other distros.

Snap and FlatPak are becoming ubiquitous alas.

I REMOVE them from every system I install ... they're
too much in the Micro$oft vein for comfort.

If I can't get a real, installable, DEB or RPM then I
DON'T USE IT. Some can be compiled from source, but
there's the library version maze to navigate which
often makes it more work than its worth.

Some olde-tyme apps can now only be obtained as
Dockers ... I don't like those either, and they are
not nearly as secure as claimed. They are also
"opaque" ... MysteryWare.

These days I stick to vanilla Debian as much as
possible. Even MX, a very good middleweight disto
for the most part, has caved-in to FlatPak. I remove
it and SCREW the other stuff that gets uninstalled
at the same time.

There are now too many Linux developers who DON'T
GET IT. We do not, MUST not, allow Linux to become
like Winders.

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 by: Marco Moock - Fri, 6 May 2022 11:04 UTC

Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 23:58:13 Uhr schrieb 25.BX945:

> There are now too many Linux developers who DON'T
> GET IT. We do not, MUST not, allow Linux to become
> like Winders.

That is what most Linux distributions do.
Most of the provide snap, but don't install it by default.

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 by: Poprocks - Fri, 6 May 2022 15:00 UTC

On 2022-05-06, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 23:58:13 Uhr schrieb 25.BX945:
>> There are now too many Linux developers who DON'T
>> GET IT. We do not, MUST not, allow Linux to become
>> like Winders.
>
> That is what most Linux distributions do.
> Most of the provide snap, but don't install it by default.

Not so. Primarily only Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based distros are using Snap,
while everyone else that wants to adopt such a solution is using
Flatpak. Flatpak may not be perfect but it's the better solution in my
opinion. For one, it doesn't have a dependency on systemd, and has a
really sane philosophy behind how it works, similar to git.

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 by: David W. Hodgins - Fri, 6 May 2022 16:45 UTC

On Fri, 06 May 2022 11:00:06 -0400, Poprocks <please@replytogroup.com> wrote:
> Not so. Primarily only Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based distros are using Snap,
> while everyone else that wants to adopt such a solution is using
> Flatpak. Flatpak may not be perfect but it's the better solution in my
> opinion. For one, it doesn't have a dependency on systemd, and has a
> really sane philosophy behind how it works, similar to git.

The problem is that they include old versions of packages that may not have
security patches applied, and they mean that when a security bug is found there
are many more places that it needs to be fixed.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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 by: Poprocks - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:46 UTC

On 2022-05-06, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Fri, 06 May 2022 11:00:06 -0400, Poprocks <please@replytogroup.com> wrote:
>> Not so. Primarily only Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based distros are using Snap,
>> while everyone else that wants to adopt such a solution is using
>> Flatpak. Flatpak may not be perfect but it's the better solution in my
>> opinion. For one, it doesn't have a dependency on systemd, and has a
>> really sane philosophy behind how it works, similar to git.
>
> The problem is that they include old versions of packages that may not
> have security patches applied, and they mean that when a security bug
> is found there are many more places that it needs to be fixed.

True, but they also run in a sandbox to mitigate somewhat against that.
I agree that it is not a perfect system, though.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Fri, 6 May 2022 21:43 UTC

Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 13:47:51 Uhr schrieb Dan Espen:
>
>> Snaps probably serve a useful purpose, I just haven't found it yet.
> I makes providing software for different Linux distributions much
> easier for developers because the only need one snap package that runs
> on all distributions.

Alternatively it could also make less popular Linux distros that
most developers don't know/care about easier to adopt because you
don't need an independent set of packages for them.

Though in practice I've looked at AppImage in the past for that
purpose and the packages people make are mostly for bloated,
flashy, GUI software that I don't use. I suspect they're mainly
done for users wanting to run the latest version of a program
before it's available as eg. a package for Debian Stable.

They're a horribly inefficient system anyway. AppImages are bad
enough with their independent copies of most libraries used, but
then these newer systems add containerisation on top of that to
make performance worse again.

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _#

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 by: 25.BX945 - Sat, 7 May 2022 04:35 UTC

On 5/6/22 7:04 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 23:58:13 Uhr schrieb 25.BX945:
>
>> There are now too many Linux developers who DON'T
>> GET IT. We do not, MUST not, allow Linux to become
>> like Winders.
>
> That is what most Linux distributions do.
> Most of the provide snap, but don't install it by default.

NEXT month they WILL.

Then it will be "required".

Unless there's huge push-back.

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 by: 25.BX945 - Sat, 7 May 2022 04:39 UTC

On 5/6/22 11:00 AM, Poprocks wrote:
> On 2022-05-06, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 23:58:13 Uhr schrieb 25.BX945:
>>> There are now too many Linux developers who DON'T
>>> GET IT. We do not, MUST not, allow Linux to become
>>> like Winders.
>>
>> That is what most Linux distributions do.
>> Most of the provide snap, but don't install it by default.
>
> Not so. Primarily only Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based distros are using Snap,
> while everyone else that wants to adopt such a solution is using
> Flatpak. Flatpak may not be perfect but it's the better solution in my
> opinion. For one, it doesn't have a dependency on systemd, and has a
> really sane philosophy behind how it works, similar to git.

STILL don't like it.

Standard DEBs/RPMs, with the source code available to
compile from source, is still the best, most trustworthy,
way to go.

I really like MX ... but I *removed* all the FlatPak shit.

Apt-Get Install .... THE trustworthy standard.

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 by: 25.BX945 - Sat, 7 May 2022 04:42 UTC

On 5/6/22 3:46 PM, Poprocks wrote:
> On 2022-05-06, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 May 2022 11:00:06 -0400, Poprocks <please@replytogroup.com> wrote:
>>> Not so. Primarily only Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based distros are using Snap,
>>> while everyone else that wants to adopt such a solution is using
>>> Flatpak. Flatpak may not be perfect but it's the better solution in my
>>> opinion. For one, it doesn't have a dependency on systemd, and has a
>>> really sane philosophy behind how it works, similar to git.
>>
>> The problem is that they include old versions of packages that may not
>> have security patches applied, and they mean that when a security bug
>> is found there are many more places that it needs to be fixed.
>
> True, but they also run in a sandbox to mitigate somewhat against that.
> I agree that it is not a perfect system, though.
>

apt-get install .... STICK with it.

If your distro won't, find another distro.

I'm checking-out Devuian right now ....

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 by: 25.BX945 - Sat, 7 May 2022 05:07 UTC

On 5/6/22 5:43 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag, 05. Mai 2022, um 13:47:51 Uhr schrieb Dan Espen:
>>
>>> Snaps probably serve a useful purpose, I just haven't found it yet.
>> I makes providing software for different Linux distributions much
>> easier for developers because the only need one snap package that runs
>> on all distributions.
>
> Alternatively it could also make less popular Linux distros that
> most developers don't know/care about easier to adopt because you
> don't need an independent set of packages for them.
>
> Though in practice I've looked at AppImage in the past for that
> purpose and the packages people make are mostly for bloated,
> flashy, GUI software that I don't use.

I have nothing against GUI stuff ... THAT isn't
the issue. It's questionably-documented Snap/Flat
packages. We don't know as much about what they
are, what they do, what they affect, what goes
where, as we do with old-fashioned packages.

I run a lot of boxes with U-Server - but I always
add LXDE. Saves a ton of time, removes a lot of
frustrations. "sudo pcmanfm" is GREAT.

> I suspect they're mainly
> done for users wanting to run the latest version of a program
> before it's available as eg. a package for Debian Stable.
>
> They're a horribly inefficient system anyway. AppImages are bad
> enough with their independent copies of most libraries used, but
> then these newer systems add containerisation on top of that to
> make performance worse again.

Containers/Docker ... don't like or trust.

Stick with, demand, the olde-tyme approaches IMHO.

Unlike Winders, there are a tons of Linux/BSD distros.
Pick ones that do NOT go with the "Latest & Greatest"
means of getting/running packages. Do they have Snap ?
REMOVE it. Do they have FlatPak ? REMOVE it. If you
can't get Package-X without them then SCREW it - pick
another distro.

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On 5/5/22 8:54 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2022 13:30:43 -0400, Poprocks wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-05-05, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 May 2022 17:41:51 +0800, Pastor Pentium wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu 22.04 has lost me for good now, since they hardwired snap into
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Never heard of snap/flatpak. But I use Debian (and Mint, which Debian :-D).
>>
>> Have you also been living under a rock for the last 5 years? ;-)
>
> My oldest Debian installation (this article is written on it) is twelve
> years old. The new was installed last December. But hadn't noticed snap or
> flatpak.

Debian is pretty vanilla, conservative, careful. However
the more popular distros - the Ubuntu semi-clones esp -
always try to be "cutting edge" and are prone to putting
weird stuff in there. Ubuntu itself ... every time I do
an installation these days I spend half an hour removing
"Ubuntuisms", all the cloud stuff especially. Sometimes
I kill Netplan and force it back to /etc/network like
in the old days. I may just give up on Ubuntu Server for
professional stuff, go back to Debian. It's easier to
add a little extra stuff to Debian than it is to
remove all the crap from Ubuntu.

Alas even Debian finally went systemd .... but there are
still some derivatives which stick with init.d and are
thus a lot more like your 12 year old Deb.

My personal desktop had been down for nearly a year, I'd
been working off of laptops. Finally revived it last week,
and installed Debian - not Ubuntu, not Mint - and basic
LXDE.

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