On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:28:43 -0600, joe wrote:

>> However, when you get to the fact that we're all moving through space at the
>> speed of light
>
> Wow, pure gibberish.

Jesus Christ.
Have you no education at all?

You utter morons have no factual perspective on _anything_ whatsoever.
Even Steve flatly denied Einstein's theory of relativity even exists.

Who the hell is _that_ stupid?
Nobody but this "joe" (whom I suspect is Steve) denies relativity.

I suspect this "joe" is our own Steve, but nonetheless, if it is Steve (or
even if it isn't), this "joe" proves me correct _every_ time he posts.

It's only utter gibberish to ignorant people.
Google it.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=we+move+through+time+at+the+speed+of+light>

Yet again, _every_ post from these ignorant people _proves_ me correct.
a. I make a statement about Physics (in response to The Real Bev)
b. In that Physics statement, I mention that we move thru time at c
c. This moron "joe" claims that is "pure gibberish"

And yet, it's how Einstein's theory of relativity works.

My point is yet again proven that all these people are completely ignorant.
They don't even _realize_ they're ignorant.

In fact, every fact you give them, they claim is "utter gibberish" in fact.
WTF?

Who is _that_ stupid?
Well, um, they are.

*We All Travel Through Spacetime at the Speed of Light*
<https://medium.com/predict/we-all-travel-through-spacetime-at-the-speed-of-light-d60cb389dfc2>

Again, they prove me right.
They have _no education_ at all.
None.
Nada.
Zip.
Niente.

They have no perspective on _anything_ whatsoever.
Even Steve denied Einstein's theory of relativity.

Note that I don't care that people like Steve are completely ignorant.
Most people know nothing about anything they think they know about.

I only care when ignorant people like Steve try to force intelligent people
to do what the ignorant people do, because people like Steve do that.

The more ignorant they are - the more they want to take away your rights so
that these ignorant people like Steve is can control our activities.

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:28:43 -0600, joe wrote:
>
>>> However, when you get to the fact that we're all moving through space at the
>>> speed of light
>>
>> Wow, pure gibberish.
>
> Jesus Christ.
> Have you no education at all?
>
> *We All Travel Through Spacetime at the Speed of Light*
> <https://medium.com/predict/we-all-travel-through-spacetime-at-the-speed-of-light-d60cb389dfc2>

That's just hilarious. You're trolling yourself now.

The fact is we're travelling through space*time* at the speed of light. We
are definitely /not/ travelling through *space* at the speed of light.

Space and spacetime are utterly different and cannot be used
interchangeably. Your initial statement is categorically wrong. As per
usual.

You might want to read your own cites before posting them...

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:44:20 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> The fact is we're travelling through space*time* at the speed of light. We
> are definitely /not/ travelling through *space* at the speed of light.

Idiot.
Look at what I wrote, Chris.

I know full well we're traveling orthogonal to space at the speed of light.
That's why I brought it up with respect to the square root of minus one.
> Space and spacetime are utterly different and cannot be used
> interchangeably. Your initial statement is categorically wrong. As per
> usual.

Moron.

Spacetime is 4 dimensional (at least) and can't be _separated_ as you claim.

> You might want to read your own cites before posting them...

Chris,
You do not have any college education.
None.

You completely lack any perspective on any subject.
For you to deny that your four velocity vector exists is preposterous Chris.

Again, you prove my point:
*Those most ignorant are the ones who least comprehend basic facts*

On 2/15/2022 1:44 AM, Chris wrote:

<snip>

> Space and spacetime are utterly different and cannot be used
> interchangeably. Your initial statement is categorically wrong. As per
> usual.
>
> You might want to read your own cites before posting them...

I think that I should remove my filters of Andy/Arlen/Harry just so I
can see his posts other than in followups. His posts remind me of the
quote: “I prefer not to think before speaking. I like being as surprised
as everyone else by what comes out of my mouth.” ― Anonymous

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:44:20 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:28:43 -0600, joe wrote:
>>
>>>> However, when you get to the fact that we're all moving through space at the
>>>> speed of light
>>>
>>> Wow, pure gibberish.
>>
>> Jesus Christ.
>> Have you no education at all?
>>
>> *We All Travel Through Spacetime at the Speed of Light*
>> <https://medium.com/predict/we-all-travel-through-spacetime-at-the-speed-of-light-d60cb389dfc2>
>
>That's just hilarious. You're trolling yourself now.
>
>The fact is we're travelling through space*time* at the speed of light. We
>are definitely /not/ travelling through *space* at the speed of light.
>
>Space and spacetime are utterly different and cannot be used
>interchangeably. Your initial statement is categorically wrong. As per
>usual.

Trolls are always wrong. But they will continue to post their nonsense
if you keep replying to them. Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile
them. If nobody replies, they'll eventually get bored and go away.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:06:22 -0800, sms wrote:

> I think that I should remove my filters

Steve,

You're likely one of the most intelligent people on this newsgroup, Steve,
which isn't saying all that much as the iKooks have no education, but at
least you're somewhere on par with me on intelligence (let's hope anyway).

I respect that you earned an EE degree, and you need to respect that I
earned that, and more, particularly in the biological sciences.

Usenet is water under the bridge to me Steve.
I'm not on Usenet for my amusement.

I'm on Usenet for two things, and for those two things only:
a. To learn from others, and,
b. To teach others (why else do I write all those tutorials).

I'm not here for amusement, Steve.
But for knowledge. Facts. Ideas. Solutions. Tutorials. etc.

I'm a good hearted kind and generous person Steve.
But I don't suffer iKooks at all (they're unprepossessing people).

If you act civil to me, I'll _mirror_ your posts Steve.
We'll still disagree on politics (you're to the left, I'm center liberal).

But all adults should be able to agree on the facts.
The facts must come from reliable sources (where the CDC suits me fine).

I know, and you know that you haven't filtered me, but I don't care other
than if you filter me, then you will _remain_ ignorant of everything.

I know, and you know that you created a bunch of bogus nyms just so that you
could _respond_ to my allegations, which is fine by me also.

If you want to be civil, just act civil to me.
Usenet is water under the bridge.

If you act like an adult, I'll treat you like an adult.
--
If you filter out all facts, you'll remain ignorant of all the facts.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:17:56 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> Trolls are always wrong. But they will continue to post their nonsense
> if you keep replying to them. Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile
> them. If nobody replies, they'll eventually get bored and go away.

I apologize to Chris.
He was right.
I was wrong.

Adults will notice Ken Blake hasn't added an iota of value to this thread.
In fact, every post from Ken Blake _subtracts_ value, because he wastes our
valuable time.

With respect to Chris' comments, just as Chris played games with the word
"vehicle" (which is common in immunology) and just as Chris denied the use
of "Crude Mortality Rate" which is clearly the rate used for most pandemics,
most of the time when Chris denied facts it's because he lacked perspective.

Nothing wrong with that.
A _lot_ of people lack perspective.
Chris knows nothing of {virology,immunology,genetics}.
Nor should he.
But if he knows nothing, he shouldn't dispute what are common terms.
He can't claim I am stupid because _he_ is unaware of those common terms.

However, to Chris' credit, he was the only one who _read_ the cites.
Chris even provided a cite about transmission rates in Singapore.
If someone provides a relevant cite, I read it.
And I summarized accurately what Chris' transmission rate cite claimed.
And as a result, I _learned_ from what Chris had to offer.

I _thank_ Chris for disputing, as an adult would, the transmission rates
that I quoted, and we both learned from that one study Chris provided.

In addition, to Chris' credit, Chris (finally found) the reference I was
quoting from the CDC on Crude Mortality Rates and Chris found a math error
on my part since I was quoting from memory from reading it last November.

The fact I was off by a factor of ten only strengthened my argument because
it was even less fatal than I was claiming from memory (which Steve still
has denied that the fact even exist!), so it strengthened my argument.

Nonetheless, I openly admit while both Chris and Steve were completely
ignorant of the fact, I knew it, but I remembered it as being more fatal
than it was (i.e., I remembered it as 0.002% when it was 0.0002% fatal).

I repeatedly _thanked_ Chris for finding that math error and I agreed with
that fact instantly (only a fool like Steve disagrees with obvious facts).

Sidenote: It's what the iKooks do day after day, which is how I know none of
them have any education to speak of as they can't possibly pass a class.

Moving on, even as I mentioned 4 dimensional spacetime and even as I noted
that we move through time at the speed of light (actually, slightly slower,
but I doubt the iKooks will comprehend why I say that), and even as my whole
point was about the square root of minus one (aka i in physics and j in
electrical engineering, most often shown as j-omega in equations), and even
as I kept mentioning orthogonal, at one point, and only at one point, I
typed "space" accidentally for "time" (or for spacetime).

Anyone with any perspective could tell from the entirety of my posts that
that was just an inadvertent typo, given all those observations above, and
anyone who harps on a typo as their _entire_ point, is a moron indeed.

Still.

Still, I'm a man who admits when I'm wrong, and who gives credit to someone
who finds an error (even if it's only an inadvertent typo) in what I write.

I _did_ say "space" instead of "spacetime" in one sentence (although all
others, to my knowledge, say it correctly, even as the whole point of being
orthogonal is that the Minkowski spacetime is more than just 3 dimensions.

In summary, Chris is right. I was wrong.
I made a typo at one point, calling 4D spacetime only the 3D space.

I apologize to Chris.
He was right.
I was wrong.

If you find another typo from me, please do let me know that you found it.

On 2022-02-15 9:15 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:17:56 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> Trolls are always wrong. But they will continue to post their nonsense
>> if you keep replying to them. Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile
>> them. If nobody replies, they'll eventually get bored and go away.
>
> I apologize to Chris.
> He was right.
> I was wrong.

But you've conveniently snipped away the context of his correctness and
your failure.

Got it.

> With respect to Chris' comments, just as Chris played games with the word
> "vehicle" (which is common in immunology) and just as Chris denied the use
> of "Crude Mortality Rate" which is clearly the rate used for most pandemics,
> most of the time when Chris denied facts it's because he lacked perspective.
>
> Nothing wrong with that.
> A _lot_ of people lack perspective.
> Chris knows nothing of {virology,immunology,genetics}.

And then you slander him.

Got it.

On 2/15/2022 8:17 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

<snip>

> Trolls are always wrong. But they will continue to post their nonsense
> if you keep replying to them. Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile
> them. If nobody replies, they'll eventually get bored and go away.

10: Post incorrect information about everything to gain attention
20: Everyone filters you out and pays no attention to you
30: Create fake names to get around everyone's filters
40: GoTo 10
50: End

The bottom line is that it's the need for attention that drives this
kind of behavior by Andy/Arlen/Harry. By ignoring reality, eschewing
science, abandoning logic, and lying he gets a reaction from others, and
that's what he desires. Someone always is there to correct him and it
gives both of them enjoyment.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“There is nothing more annoying than somebody who is really thick but
who believes with absolute conviction that he is more intelligent than
you. In other words, they tend to be very self-contained, introspective
and deep down they’re probably striving for affection. Yet they have no
way of going about attaining this, so they tend to rub people up the
wrong way.” ― Karl Wiggins, Wrong Planet - Searching for your Tribe
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:55:19 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 2/15/2022 8:17 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Trolls are always wrong. But they will continue to post their nonsense
>> if you keep replying to them. Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile
>> them. If nobody replies, they'll eventually get bored and go away.
>
>10: Post incorrect information about everything to gain attention
>20: Everyone filters you out and pays no attention to you
>30: Create fake names to get around everyone's filters
>40: GoTo 10
>50: End

35. Everyone recognizes that the new fake name is just a nymshift and
killfiles that name too.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:48:34 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> Everyone recognizes that the new fake name is just a nymshift

Notice Ken Blake has never added any value to any thread in his life.
Every post from Ken Blake actually _subtracts_ value each time he posts.
*I've never met in the flesh people _that_ incredibly stupid.*

I post screenshots like this, and this Ken Blake troll, for thousands of
post, and finally, after a thousand posts, Ken Blake finally figures it out?
<https://i.postimg.cc/R0CCDv40/barcode01.jpg> Customized Android wallet
<https://i.postimg.cc/7hZrrSwc/treble01.jpg> Treble firmware updates
<https://i.postimg.cc/7hZrrSwc/treble01.jpg> What are seamless updates
etc.

Nobody but me ever posts screenshots like those.
For the past ten years the homescreen has been the same organization.
<https://i.postimg.cc/7LmRqXNn/organize01.jpg> Android organization

Same phones, same education, same view that Apple never tells the truth
except when forced to in court, same level of exceptional detail, etc.

And Ken Blake just now declares he's a genius for figuring that out?
He just figured out, after thousands of post, what wasn't even hidden?

Holy shit.
*I've never met in the flesh people _that_ incredibly stupid.*
--
Notice Ken Blake has never added any value to any thread in his life.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:55:19 -0800, sms wrote:

> The bottom line is that it's the need for attention

You authored this thread, Steve.
Not me.

I didn't bring up this topic Steve.
You did.

You are the one telling others what to do about the shot, Steve.
Not me.

You deny all facts that don't fit into your belief systems, Steve.
I only believe in facts.

Don't post a thread like this that fits perfectly into my undergraduate
degree and you won't see me prove everything you claim has one purpose.

Your only purpose, Steve, on this (and on all other issues).
a. Guns
b. Carbon
c. Covid
etc.

A. Your strategy is to scare people with fear based emotional arguments.
B. You can't scare logical people who believe in facts and real solutions.
C. You can only care ignorant people who don't comprehend the facts.

SO how do people like you _control_ the intelligent people like me?
a. You remove rights of them owning guns (then you will _feel_ safe)
b. You create an entirely new taxation system (which solves nothing)
c. You force innocent kids to get shots they don't need (causes harm)
etc.

Notice it's always the same with far-to-the-left wacko's like you Steve.
*You can't control people if you can't scare them enough first.*
--
I refuse to fall prey to Steve's purely emotional fear-based hype.

On 2/15/2022 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:55:19 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/15/2022 8:17 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Trolls are always wrong. But they will continue to post their nonsense
>>> if you keep replying to them. Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile
>>> them. If nobody replies, they'll eventually get bored and go away.
>>
>> 10: Post incorrect information about everything to gain attention
>> 20: Everyone filters you out and pays no attention to you
>> 30: Create fake names to get around everyone's filters
>> 40: GoTo 10
>> 50: End
>
>
> 35. Everyone recognizes that the new fake name is just a nymshift and
> killfiles that name too.

True. But what I've observed is that just after he does a nymshift he
tries to post stuff that is not so obviously untrue so it can take a few
days before everyone realizes that a new poster is him with a nymshift.

In article <suh3f7$ceq$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > 35. Everyone recognizes that the new fake name is just a nymshift and
> > killfiles that name too.
>
> True. But what I've observed is that just after he does a nymshift he
> tries to post stuff that is not so obviously untrue so it can take a few
> days before everyone realizes that a new poster is him with a nymshift.

his style is unmistakable and is usually obvious in the first post or
two.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:46:32 -0800, sms wrote:

> True. But what I've observed is that just after he does a nymshift he
> tries to post stuff that is not so obviously untrue so it can take a few
> days before everyone realizes that a new poster is him with a nymshift.

How dumb do you have to be, Steve, to _not_ recognize these screenshots?
<https://i.postimg.cc/MT0CxMbZ/ipod007.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/rsj2G0KZ/ipod006.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/7hwyTMYT/ipod005.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/25LmpSK3/ipod004.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/RZF4RR17/ipod003.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/hPMKTwm4/ipod002.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/jdRsWKLk/ipod001.jpg>

The header is just the meaningless wrapping paper, Steve.
What matters is the value of the gift in the body.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:46:32 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 2/15/2022 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:55:19 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/15/2022 8:17 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Trolls are always wrong. But they will continue to post their nonsense
>>>> if you keep replying to them. Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile
>>>> them. If nobody replies, they'll eventually get bored and go away.
>>>
>>> 10: Post incorrect information about everything to gain attention
>>> 20: Everyone filters you out and pays no attention to you
>>> 30: Create fake names to get around everyone's filters
>>> 40: GoTo 10
>>> 50: End
>>
>>
>> 35. Everyone recognizes that the new fake name is just a nymshift and
>> killfiles that name too.
>
>True. But what I've observed is that just after he does a nymshift he
>tries to post stuff that is not so obviously untrue so it can take a few
>days before everyone realizes that a new poster is him with a nymshift.

As far as I'm concerned, a few days is no big deal, especially if he's
not posting his usual crap on those days.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:49:06 -0500, nospam wrote:

> his style is unmistakable and is usually obvious in the first post or
> two.

To nospam's point, if you exclaim that you're an utter genius for figuring
out what shouldn't take anyone with more than a synapse in his brain
more than a few seconds to figure out, then you're an utter moron.

Alan Baker, Joeorg Lorenz, Ken Blake et. al., have all claimed they are
fantastic geniuses for figuring out what was never hidden in the least.

It took a thousand posts with screenshots like this, for them to get it.
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15 iPhone, $0 Android phone
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> $100 for six lines + $16 tax
<https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for six lines + $16 tax
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf9w1tGZ/speedtest07.jpg> *255Mbps* 5G speeds at home

Bear in mind Chris is the only one who comprehends the difference between
the wrapping paper and the gift that is presented of value in the body.

I'm not hiding from you; I'm hiding from _them_ (aggregators)
--
And we all know the aggregators exist since they abound.