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 by: Justisaur - Mon, 23 May 2022 17:19 UTC

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 10:01:09 AM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2022 08:53:39 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
> <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 5:58:32 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure if I was really supposed to get 12,000 runes or 9,000 runes.
> >
> >Summons (not spirits) take a bit off the total to compensate for making
> >it easier. So if you had Rogier it would drop it down a bit.
> >
> >- Justisaur
> *---
>
> Middlemen, eh? How about that!
>
> Thanks. I would probably never have found that out. Did Yuri get his
> cut from me defeating Bloody Finger all by myself? He didn't even
> show up for the fight! :-)

No, he's not summoned, he just shows (too late and too far most
times.)

It's only the ones you summon from a gold summon sign, and only
before the fog wall. There's a couple instances where you can
summon from gold signs in the boss arena after a fight starts and
they don't take a share, nor increase difficulty.

The gold summon signs before the boss fights also make the fight
somewhat harder, increased resistances and HP. Generally not
enough that the fight is actually harder with them, but possibly
sometimes. It's best to try with and without them and see which
works better.

Unfortunately they take a share, and the boss remains buffed
even when they die before you beat the boss.

- Justisaur

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 by: PW - Mon, 23 May 2022 19:06 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
<justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 10:01:09 AM UTC-7, PW wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 08:53:39 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
>> <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 5:58:32 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
>> >
>> >> Not sure if I was really supposed to get 12,000 runes or 9,000 runes.
>> >
>> >Summons (not spirits) take a bit off the total to compensate for making
>> >it easier. So if you had Rogier it would drop it down a bit.
>> >
>> >- Justisaur
>> *---
>>
>> Middlemen, eh? How about that!
>>
>> Thanks. I would probably never have found that out. Did Yuri get his
>> cut from me defeating Bloody Finger all by myself? He didn't even
>> show up for the fight! :-)
>
>No, he's not summoned, he just shows (too late and too far most
>times.)
>
>It's only the ones you summon from a gold summon sign, and only
>before the fog wall. There's a couple instances where you can
>summon from gold signs in the boss arena after a fight starts and
>they don't take a share, nor increase difficulty.
>
>The gold summon signs before the boss fights also make the fight
>somewhat harder, increased resistances and HP. Generally not
>enough that the fight is actually harder with them, but possibly
>sometimes. It's best to try with and without them and see which
>works better.
>
>Unfortunately they take a share, and the boss remains buffed
>even when they die before you beat the boss.
>
>- Justisaur

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Would you please explain to me again what buff and unbuff mean?

-pw

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 by: rms - Mon, 23 May 2022 19:19 UTC

>I'm on Melania now. 9 tries so far, got to 2nd phase twice.

She is highly frustrating for me. I can get to 2nd phase a fair % now,
as well as avoid the starting divebomb; but my tiche dies very soon and I
don't know how to deal with her aerial attacks. I'm also stuck on
eldenbeast. I'm really ready to be done with this game, as I've completed
all NPC quests and am set up to see all 6 endings and platinum the game, if
I can get past these two dam bosses. I've successfully been summoned for
maybe two? melania coop sessions out of at least 20 attempts with randoms,
never gotten past eldenbeast in coop. I'll have to do a 'rebirth' I guess
with different builds for each of them.

rms

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 by: PW - Mon, 23 May 2022 23:07 UTC

I just looked at a Stormveil Castle walkthrough. It is HUGE. It can
be it's own game by itself or a DLC!

I sincerely hope there are lots of Sights of Grace! I am planning on
going in running on empty but I am sure I will pick up some runes here
and there.

-pw

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On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 12:20:03 PM UTC-7, rms wrote:
> >I'm on Melania now. 9 tries so far, got to 2nd phase twice.
> She is highly frustrating for me. I can get to 2nd phase a fair % now,
> as well as avoid the starting divebomb; but my tiche dies very soon and I
> don't know how to deal with her aerial attacks. I'm also stuck on
> eldenbeast. I'm really ready to be done with this game, as I've completed
> all NPC quests and am set up to see all 6 endings and platinum the game, if
> I can get past these two dam bosses. I've successfully been summoned for
> maybe two? melania coop sessions out of at least 20 attempts with randoms,
> never gotten past eldenbeast in coop. I'll have to do a 'rebirth' I guess
> with different builds for each of them.
>
> rms

I just got her, It must've taken me more than 50 tries. I don't know why
I even tried that many times. I finally got her using the mimic tear - I
had put on some gear to raise my arc to be able to use Rivers of Blood,
only I didn't use it, my mimic did, and I used the Death's Poker. I also
put on one stamina talisman and one stamina recovery talisman and
the talisman that makes you do more damage where someone's
got bleed. I used the stamina recovery and damage reducing physic.
as well as the boiled crab. The stamina seemed really important
as I noticed that it let me keep going longer on the weapon art on RoB
even though I didn't use it this time, it may have affected my Mimic,
or let me get stamina to keep rolling or bring my crappy shield up.
I may have used magic shield, but don't remember for sure, I didn't
use any other spells.

I had a few uplifting aromatics and cursed blood that my Mimic was
using too.

I wore the heaviest chest piece, and I was fat rolling. Somehow the
extra armor kept from dying (though I'd died a couple times doing that
before) from stage 2's waterfowl dance.

I didn't summon anyone (also strange for me as I typically do if I
can't beat a boss in 2-3 times.)

I was slowly getting slightly better, but the fight and win felt very
random.

That was total about 3 hours, but I kept stopping to upgrade different
things and change things around to try different things.

- Justisaur

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On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 4:07:17 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> I just looked at a Stormveil Castle walkthrough. It is HUGE. It can
> be it's own game by itself or a DLC!
>
> I sincerely hope there are lots of Sights of Grace! I am planning on
> going in running on empty but I am sure I will pick up some runes here
> and there.

Yeah it's huge. There's a few sites of grace. There's a couple near lifts
and shortcuts that make it close to different paths to take once you
open the lift/shortcuts.

The guy near the entrance that you can talk to steals around 20% of your
runes every time you die. I killed him for that, but at the very end of the game
that locks you out of the end of a couple quests and one dragon smithing
stone (needed for a max upgrade.) There's enough of those around
you probably won't miss it though.

- Justisaur

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 by: Justisaur - Tue, 24 May 2022 02:03 UTC

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 12:06:04 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
> <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 10:01:09 AM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> >> On Mon, 23 May 2022 08:53:39 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
> >> <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 5:58:32 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Not sure if I was really supposed to get 12,000 runes or 9,000 runes.
> >> >
> >> >Summons (not spirits) take a bit off the total to compensate for making
> >> >it easier. So if you had Rogier it would drop it down a bit.
> >> >
> >> >- Justisaur
> >> *---
> >>
> >> Middlemen, eh? How about that!
> >>
> >> Thanks. I would probably never have found that out. Did Yuri get his
> >> cut from me defeating Bloody Finger all by myself? He didn't even
> >> show up for the fight! :-)
> >
> >No, he's not summoned, he just shows (too late and too far most
> >times.)
> >
> >It's only the ones you summon from a gold summon sign, and only
> >before the fog wall. There's a couple instances where you can
> >summon from gold signs in the boss arena after a fight starts and
> >they don't take a share, nor increase difficulty.
> >
> >The gold summon signs before the boss fights also make the fight
> >somewhat harder, increased resistances and HP. Generally not
> >enough that the fight is actually harder with them, but possibly
> >sometimes. It's best to try with and without them and see which
> >works better.
> >
> >Unfortunately they take a share, and the boss remains buffed
> >even when they die before you beat the boss.
> >
> >- Justisaur
> *--
>
> Would you please explain to me again what buff and unbuff mean?

Buff makes them tougher as explained above. Increased HP, and
resistances.

-Justisaur

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On Mon, 23 May 2022 19:02:13 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
<justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 4:07:17 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
>> I just looked at a Stormveil Castle walkthrough. It is HUGE. It can
>> be it's own game by itself or a DLC!
>>
>> I sincerely hope there are lots of Sights of Grace! I am planning on
>> going in running on empty but I am sure I will pick up some runes here
>> and there.
>
>Yeah it's huge. There's a few sites of grace. There's a couple near lifts
>and shortcuts that make it close to different paths to take once you
>open the lift/shortcuts.
>
>The guy near the entrance that you can talk to steals around 20% of your
>runes every time you die. I killed him for that, but at the very end of the game
>that locks you out of the end of a couple quests and one dragon smithing
>stone (needed for a max upgrade.) There's enough of those around
>you probably won't miss it though.
>
>- Justisaur

*--

There are bogus videos like this one about sneaking up on the Banished
Knight:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elden+ring+banashed+knight+in+the+dark+room+video&t=newext&atb=v239-1&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_QIPWGqGJk4

Even if I open the door and leave and then come back in, the door
slams shut and the knight is right on me.

That is not the only video about that.

What do I need to do to keep the door open so I can sneak up and
backstab it?

-pw

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On Tue, 24 May 2022 16:09:31 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 May 2022 19:02:13 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
><justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 4:07:17 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
>>> I just looked at a Stormveil Castle walkthrough. It is HUGE. It can
>>> be it's own game by itself or a DLC!
>>>
>>> I sincerely hope there are lots of Sights of Grace! I am planning on
>>> going in running on empty but I am sure I will pick up some runes here
>>> and there.
>>
>>Yeah it's huge. There's a few sites of grace. There's a couple near lifts
>>and shortcuts that make it close to different paths to take once you
>>open the lift/shortcuts.
>>
>>The guy near the entrance that you can talk to steals around 20% of your
>>runes every time you die. I killed him for that, but at the very end of the game
>>that locks you out of the end of a couple quests and one dragon smithing
>>stone (needed for a max upgrade.) There's enough of those around
>>you probably won't miss it though.
>>
>>- Justisaur
>
>*--
>
>There are bogus videos like this one about sneaking up on the Banished
>Knight:
>
>https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elden+ring+banashed+knight+in+the+dark+room+video&t=newext&atb=v239-1&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_QIPWGqGJk4
>
>Even if I open the door and leave and then come back in, the door
>slams shut and the knight is right on me.
>
>That is not the only video about that.
>
>What do I need to do to keep the door open so I can sneak up and
>backstab it?
>
>-pw

*--

Nevermind. I took my time and did not panic. Only one HP flask used.
I didn't even have my sheild equipped. Somehow, it only took me about
5 or 6 swings with my broadsword to take him down. I guess I must
have timed them when his shield wasn't in front of him.

Got me!

-pw

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On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 12:20:03 PM UTC-7, rms wrote:
> >I'm on Melania now. 9 tries so far, got to 2nd phase twice.
>I just got her, It must've taken me more than 50 tries. I don't know why
>I even tried that many times. I finally got her using the mimic tear - I
>had put on some gear to raise my arc to be able to use Rivers of Blood,

Very nice, congrats!! I beat her just now (finally). I desperation I
looked on ytube for 'cheese' or 'super easy' methods. First I tried a
str/end build with the gravestone shield & serpenthunter, here's the video
that describes it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2OOSToJj4Y
This one was fun in that I hadn't known about this crazy shield, and had to
do the platforming to get to it. This guy is able to able to move in such a
way as to not take damage from malenia, which baffled me as I couldn't
duplicate it.

then a flies&frost build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE8HMxqUItk
Swarm of flies & dragon frost breath I've never used (the only spell I use
consistently is Night Maiden Mist, which only works on stationary targets),
so this was fun to play with. The strategy depends to a great extent on
luck, but if you do nail consecutive hits on her with them, the combo does
do quite a bit of damage. I think I got to 2nd phase once with this method.

I tried several different spirit summons with these, including the
arrow-shooting ones, with mixed results, but never reached 2nd phase.
oh i also tried the glitch method where you get up onto the roots above and
spam swarm of flies, that was funny but didn't really work either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn6siT3_nSU

Finally, just a bog standard dex/arc & 'rivers of blood' build with the
mimic did it in a few tries. Glad that's over. On to the last boss :)

rms

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On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 11:32:10 PM UTC-7, rms wrote:
> "Justisaur" wrote in message
> news:3c4bfab1-a1bc-4514...@googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 12:20:03 PM UTC-7, rms wrote:
> > >I'm on Melania now. 9 tries so far, got to 2nd phase twice.
> >I just got her, It must've taken me more than 50 tries. I don't know why
> >I even tried that many times. I finally got her using the mimic tear - I
> >had put on some gear to raise my arc to be able to use Rivers of Blood,
> Very nice, congrats!! I beat her just now (finally). I desperation I
> looked on ytube for 'cheese' or 'super easy' methods. First I tried a
> str/end build with the gravestone shield & serpenthunter, here's the video
> that describes it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2OOSToJj4Y
> This one was fun in that I hadn't known about this crazy shield, and had to
> do the platforming to get to it. This guy is able to able to move in such a
> way as to not take damage from malenia, which baffled me as I couldn't
> duplicate it.
>
> then a flies&frost build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE8HMxqUItk
> Swarm of flies & dragon frost breath I've never used (the only spell I use
> consistently is Night Maiden Mist, which only works on stationary targets),
> so this was fun to play with. The strategy depends to a great extent on
> luck, but if you do nail consecutive hits on her with them, the combo does
> do quite a bit of damage. I think I got to 2nd phase once with this method.
>
> I tried several different spirit summons with these, including the
> arrow-shooting ones, with mixed results, but never reached 2nd phase.
> oh i also tried the glitch method where you get up onto the roots above and
> spam swarm of flies, that was funny but didn't really work either:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn6siT3_nSU
>
> Finally, just a bog standard dex/arc & 'rivers of blood' build with the
> mimic did it in a few tries. Glad that's over. On to the last boss :)
>
> rms

I agree a bit with the first guy, you're probably better off without a spirit
as she heals a lot off of them. I still went with one every time,
as I didn't realize it.

The first guy is basically my str character, though I don't have the
fingerprint shield and they're having too much trouble way back
around twin gargoyles to be anywhere near Malenia, and I used the
great lance. I know greatshields were nerfed a little bit so not
entirely sure that works anymore, it wasn't a severe nerf so maybe
just a bit harder than he shows. I definitely felt like the heavy
armor helped, even if I was fat rolling.

I read swarm of flies was severely nerfed, it doesn't do much bleed
anymore so using that method probably doesn't work. I did pretty
much kill her with frost, though from death's poker, not the dragon
incantation (those're really fun on my faith/arc, but hard to get off)
I did use a bolus right after stage 2 started, I think that really helps.

When I killed her, I killed her way faster than either of them, it was
more a matter of surviving her tripple waterfoul and keeping
from getting hit much as she heals a lot off of each hit she does and
doing as much damage as fast as you can. I was using a shield,
even though it was a pretty bad one, it was probably enough to
keep me alive and keep her from healing as much the few times
she bounced off it.

RoB wasn't doing as much as DP, but I didn't respec, just bare minimum
arc & dex with items to use it, and it seemed like the mimic as doing
better with it than with DP. I didn't really have enough stamina (no
investment at all) to use it and keep the heat up either. I kind of wish
I could just go back and try again with just DP and no mimic, maybe in
NG+. I doubt I'm even going to play NG+ as I'm pretty burnt on the game and
just want to finish it now too. I should've made a backup of my save
there so I could do it again.

I actually think she's my favorite boss of the game.

- Justisaur

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On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 4:51:08 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2022 16:09:31 -0600, PW
> <iamnotusing...@notinuse.com> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 23 May 2022 19:02:13 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
> ><just...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 4:07:17 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> >>> I just looked at a Stormveil Castle walkthrough. It is HUGE. It can
> >>> be it's own game by itself or a DLC!
> >>>
> >>> I sincerely hope there are lots of Sights of Grace! I am planning on
> >>> going in running on empty but I am sure I will pick up some runes here
> >>> and there.
> >>
> >>Yeah it's huge. There's a few sites of grace. There's a couple near lifts
> >>and shortcuts that make it close to different paths to take once you
> >>open the lift/shortcuts.
> >>
> >>The guy near the entrance that you can talk to steals around 20% of your
> >>runes every time you die. I killed him for that, but at the very end of the game
> >>that locks you out of the end of a couple quests and one dragon smithing
> >>stone (needed for a max upgrade.) There's enough of those around
> >>you probably won't miss it though.
> >>
> >>- Justisaur
> >
> >*--
> >
> >There are bogus videos like this one about sneaking up on the Banished
> >Knight:
> >
> >https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elden+ring+banashed+knight+in+the+dark+room+video&t=newext&atb=v239-1&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_QIPWGqGJk4
> >
> >Even if I open the door and leave and then come back in, the door
> >slams shut and the knight is right on me.
> >
> >That is not the only video about that.
> >
> >What do I need to do to keep the door open so I can sneak up and
> >backstab it?
> >
> >-pw
> *--
>
> Nevermind. I took my time and did not panic. Only one HP flask used.
> I didn't even have my sheild equipped. Somehow, it only took me about
> 5 or 6 swings with my broadsword to take him down. I guess I must
> have timed them when his shield wasn't in front of him.
>

There's a pair of them somewhere in there that gave me a ton of
trouble. My faith guy was stuck on them forever, but eventually
found there's two ways to approach them and up the ladder is
much easier than across the bridge.

You can't sneak up on the one in the room that the door is locked
behind you in - unless you kill the one guy that talks to you as you enter
(same one who steals your runes when you die.) Yes he's the one
that locks you in there.

Well you could just return to that one after you get locked in there
if you die the first time then you can sneak up on him, I think.

- Justisaur

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>>
>> Nevermind. I took my time and did not panic. Only one HP flask used.
>> I didn't even have my sheild equipped. Somehow, it only took me about
>> 5 or 6 swings with my broadsword to take him down. I guess I must
>> have timed them when his shield wasn't in front of him.
>>
>
>There's a pair of them somewhere in there that gave me a ton of
>trouble. My faith guy was stuck on them forever, but eventually
>found there's two ways to approach them and up the ladder is
>much easier than across the bridge.
>
>You can't sneak up on the one in the room that the door is locked
>behind you in - unless you kill the one guy that talks to you as you enter
>(same one who steals your runes when you die.) Yes he's the one
>that locks you in there.
>
>Well you could just return to that one after you get locked in there
>if you die the first time then you can sneak up on him, I think.
>
>- Justisaur

*--

I heard a voice but did not see anyone else. I used a glowstone each
time.

No time to look around any way.

Nobody else around after I killed the knight that I saw.

That knight is going to respawn, right? I don't think I want to go
through that again. I had absolutely no problem with another one when
he was out in the open.

Congrats to yourself and rms on your huge victories!! I can not see
myself getting that far in the game.

-pw

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On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:10:46 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> That knight is going to respawn, right? I don't think I want to go
> through that again. I had absolutely no problem with another one when
> he was out in the open.

Yeah I think he does. I don't think the guy that closes the door comes
back after the first time. If you already got the stuff from the chest
in the room, hidden way back in a dark corner opposite the door, then
there's no reason to go back.

>
> Congrats to yourself and rms on your huge victories!! I can not see
> myself getting that far in the game.

It's just time, patience, luck and still being interested in the game.
That last one is the hard part. :)

I'm not really very good, but all that gets me through.

- Justisaur

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On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:32:05 PM UTC-7, Justisaur wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 11:32:10 PM UTC-7, rms wrote:
> > "Justisaur" wrote in message
>> On to the last boss :)

I am now Elden Lord. I had a lot of bosses to go through to get there
the dragon Placidusax probably gave me the most trouble of any.
Probably about 20 tries. Damn thing teleports all over the place and
rains lightning down on the whole arena. Optional boss though.

I also went back and did Rykard, he was a pain but I eventually
figured out watching my mimic to just go in and stand in the lava
around him and beat on him which worked.

Godfried again was about 6 tries, 2 on the second stage

And the last boss, probably about 12 the first stage killed me several
times immediately after summoning my mimic. Only 3-4 on the second
stage. I ended up mostly bloodhound stepping to get to the thing
and avoid all the holy lightning, and just poking it with my magic
rapier. Mimic tear was more helpful in the first stage to distract
him, it just couldn't even get to range for spells for the 2nd.

I got the kind of feeling after a good book, a tad sad it's over,
and 'now what?' I know I could keep playing, heading toward
100% or doing pvp, but I don't really want to right now.

Way beyond worth the full price. Glad I got it and got the
video card in time to play it before too many nerfs and
changes were made.

174 hours just on that character.

- Justisaur

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On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:32:05 PM UTC-7, Justisaur wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 11:32:10 PM UTC-7, rms wrote:
> > "Justisaur" wrote in message
>> On to the last boss :)

>I am now Elden Lord.

Yay! I also 'platinumed' (Did all 6 alternate endings) last night. The
final push was adjusting my build slightly, and using a defensive oriented
build as detailed here:
https://youtu.be/eVeAAjA1yGs

The video doesn't show how to get the Haligtree Shield, which has to be
farmed for a bit, and this is a good how-to:
https://youtu.be/Mlq707tWo0o

Participating in many, many co-op summons attempts was key to learning boss
movement patterns and the flow of the battle. I just ended up using a
simple sword to chip away in both fight phases, and focused on keeping my
health up and defensive spells active, while keeping up a tag-team effort as
much as possible. I can see where having some sort of offline voice-com
would be a big help in, say, arranging an AOE healing spell to help
struggling players.

I think I'm done playing the game, and will move on to something else
(likely a ps5 game like 13 sentinels or uncharted 2). It is intriguing
though to see the crazy op player builds people have come up with -- for
example, here's a healing-on-attack build that looks like great fun
https://youtu.be/-SV4oPwN7Dc -- and I'll for sure keep Elden Ring installed
to try one or two to assist in co-op summons occasionally.

rms

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 by: PW - Sat, 28 May 2022 22:04 UTC

>
>As to what to invest in, I'd get your mind up to 21 at least, maybe as much as 30
>I'd probably stick either to str or faith primarily until you find a good str/fai
>weapon like the above mentioned one. I'd aim for 40 each at least. There's some
>pretty good ones along the way. You'll probably want some endurance as
>most str/fai weapons are heavy and use a lot. 20 to start to aim toward and
>see how that is.
>
>- Justisaur

*--

I don't know how long I am going to continue with ER's "broken"
scoring system.

Right now, I need about 50,000 runes to level up. I am pretty tired
of going to DragonBarrow's bridge. It would take me 50 times to get
enough to level up once. Extremely monotonous and crude to have to do
so again and again. And I am not going to kill the sleeping dragon.
Even if I did, it is only 100,000 runes which is only about two levels
and one time only. Seems like cheating, which I am sort of doing now
any way.

I read that the toughest boss in ER only yields about 200,000 runes
after defeat, and that is nothing. At this pace, I will never be able
to do that.

Any time I get to level up, it is going to be in strength, vigor,
faith and mind as those chances are few and far between. So my
intelligence and arcane are going to stay at the starting level. I
will never be able to use anything related to dragon or sorcery
anything.

Right now, I am going to continue to play it for a little while as an
adventure until I quit playing it for good.

-pw

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Any suggestions Stormveil Castle liftside chamber site of grace

How to get by the giant monstrosity and dog?

The walkthroughs and videos I have seen say to just run past them and
go into the room and grab the prophecy painting.

That is not possible. I have no idea how they can do that.

Even with the Assassins Approach incantation, crouching, running,
walking no matter if I go down the stairs or jump off the deck they
both hunt me down to inside the room or my retreat back to the site of
grace.

I can kill the dog but not the beast.

Do I really need this painting?

-pw

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 by: rms - Tue, 31 May 2022 23:48 UTC

>Any suggestions Stormveil Castle liftside chamber site of grace
>How to get by the giant monstrosity and dog?

You're talking about the STORMVEIL CASTLE COURTYARD area, right, with all
the guards and catapult machines, then behind them up the stairs is a giant?
All I recall is shooting arrows at the guards directly facing me to lure
them out and kill individually, then sneaking out summoning my mimic,
clearing away all the guards, then the bigger 'dog' creature behind them.
Then go up the stairs partway and lure the giant down with an arrow to the
face, and kite him so he destroys the statue in the courtyard, then run to a
side doorway, where he'll basically trap you inside for a while. What I did
here, since I didn't feel up to taking him on in the open was use a Night
Maiden's Mist area-of-effect spell, along with some arrows, while he stomps
around outside and these will eventually kill him. Then you can explore
freely and discover sites of grace farther along. That giant will respawn
so try not to 'rest' at a site of grace, just 'touch' new ones beyond him.
I don't recall every room in the area here, but there are lots of secrets
and non-obvious paths to new areas. And of course the unspeakable
monstrosity in the basement!

Anyway just beyond that giant is the Godrick fight. Hopefully you've spoken
to Nephtheli Loux and gotten her to be a summons for the Godrick fight,
along with your own ash summons! Sounds like you're doing well, keep going!

rms

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>Anyway just beyond that giant is the Godrick fight. Hopefully you've
>spoken to Nephtheli Loux and gotten her to be a summons for the Godrick
>fight, along with your own ash summons! Sounds like you're doing well,
>keep going!

The 'Secluded Cell' grace site with Loux I think is beyond the giant, so
if you reach that you won't have to fight him, or leave it til after you've
beaten godrick and have leveled up

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 by: Justisaur - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 02:01 UTC

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> Any suggestions Stormveil Castle liftside chamber site of grace
>
> How to get by the giant monstrosity and dog?
>
> The walkthroughs and videos I have seen say to just run past them and
> go into the room and grab the prophecy painting.
>
> That is not possible. I have no idea how they can do that.
>
> Even with the Assassins Approach incantation, crouching, running,
> walking no matter if I go down the stairs or jump off the deck they
> both hunt me down to inside the room or my retreat back to the site of
> grace.
>
> I can kill the dog but not the beast.
>
> Do I really need this painting?

The painting allows you to get the warhawk spirit ash, it's decent in
some areas, like where there's invisible enemies, but it's not great otherwise
it has low hp and dies fairly easy.

The thing you really want near there is the godslayer prayerbook, it's a bit south
from the omen through an stone imp key area.

To take the omen & dog I try to agro the dog first and kill it, if you're coming from
the north west it'll usually notice you while the omen is still asleep if you approach
carefully, and come for you alone. Or you can toss a spell at it. The omen is a HP
sponge, and a bit big and scary, but like the trolls it's fairly slow, and you can roll
around behind it and get backstabs occasionally. I think you can use a spirit ash
in that area, but forget for sure.

The other thing you could do is run nw looking for a door to the right, which
has Nephali. Once you talk to her a bit you can run past the troll, hit the grace and
summon her (like Rogier) right outside the grace room, and instead of going north
to the boss room, use her to help you take out everything to the south.

- Justisaur

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On Tue, 31 May 2022 17:48:12 -0600, "rms"
<rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote:

>>Any suggestions Stormveil Castle liftside chamber site of grace
>>How to get by the giant monstrosity and dog?
>
> You're talking about the STORMVEIL CASTLE COURTYARD area, right, with all
>the guards and catapult machines, then behind them up the stairs is a giant?

They both are right outside the LiftSide Chamber SOG. Right below the
"porch", and to the left of the room with the painting.

I did kill all of the guards and everything else by throwing kukris
but I messed up and rested at the SOG! Now they are all back! :-)

Aargh!

>All I recall is shooting arrows at the guards directly facing me to lure
>them out and kill individually, then sneaking out summoning my mimic,
>clearing away all the guards, then the bigger 'dog' creature behind them.
>Then go up the stairs partway and lure the giant down with an arrow to the
>face, and kite him so he destroys the statue in the courtyard, then run to a
>side doorway, where he'll basically trap you inside for a while. What I did
>here, since I didn't feel up to taking him on in the open was use a Night
>Maiden's Mist area-of-effect spell, along with some arrows, while he stomps
>around outside and these will eventually kill him. Then you can explore
>freely and discover sites of grace farther along. That giant will respawn
>so try not to 'rest' at a site of grace, just 'touch' new ones beyond him.
>I don't recall every room in the area here, but there are lots of secrets
>and non-obvious paths to new areas. And of course the unspeakable
>monstrosity in the basement!
>
>Anyway just beyond that giant is the Godrick fight. Hopefully you've spoken
>to Nephtheli Loux and gotten her to be a summons for the Godrick fight,
>along with your own ash summons! Sounds like you're doing well, keep going!
>
>rms

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 by: PW - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 02:28 UTC

>> Do I really need this painting?
>
>The painting allows you to get the warhawk spirit ash, it's decent in
>some areas, like where there's invisible enemies, but it's not great otherwise
>it has low hp and dies fairly easy.

Okay then Justisaur. No biggie then.

>
>The thing you really want near there is the godslayer prayerbook, it's a bit south
>from the omen through an stone imp key area.

I already turned that in. I remember you telling me about it. I have
the GodSlayer Seal. I can't use it yet. It needs 27 Faith, mine is
26. I need 48,000 runes to level up again. I am not happy whatsoever
about that at all. That is a long ways away.
>
>To take the omen & dog I try to agro the dog first and kill it, if you're coming from
>the north west it'll usually notice you while the omen is still asleep if you approach
>carefully, and come for you alone. Or you can toss a spell at it. The omen is a HP
>sponge, and a bit big and scary, but like the trolls it's fairly slow, and you can roll
>around behind it and get backstabs occasionally. I think you can use a spirit ash
>in that area, but forget for sure.

The thing is scary. It is fast and has a huge, long curved sword with
a long reach. I have hit it a bunch and have not seen it's HP meter
even register. I think I will skip it and the painting. I can always
go back to the site of grace.

>
>The other thing you could do is run nw looking for a door to the right, which
>has Nephali. Once you talk to her a bit you can run past the troll, hit the grace and
>summon her (like Rogier) right outside the grace room, and instead of going north
>to the boss room, use her to help you take out everything to the south.
>
>- Justisaur

I have not seen her yet, or that area.

Thanks!

-pw

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On Tue, 31 May 2022 18:08:09 -0600, "rms"
<rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote:

>>Anyway just beyond that giant is the Godrick fight. Hopefully you've
>>spoken to Nephtheli Loux and gotten her to be a summons for the Godrick
>>fight, along with your own ash summons! Sounds like you're doing well,
>>keep going!
>
> The 'Secluded Cell' grace site with Loux I think is beyond the giant, so
>if you reach that you won't have to fight him, or leave it til after you've
>beaten godrick and have leveled up
>
>rms

*-

I somehow already got to the Secluded Cell SoG but have not seen
either yet.

I sincerely doubt I will stand a chance right now!

Thanks!

-pw

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Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:35:17 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Elden Ring
From: justis...@gmail.com (Justisaur)
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 by: Justisaur - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 02:35 UTC

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:29:00 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
> >> Do I really need this painting?
> >
> >The painting allows you to get the warhawk spirit ash, it's decent in
> >some areas, like where there's invisible enemies, but it's not great otherwise
> >it has low hp and dies fairly easy.
> Okay then Justisaur. No biggie then.
> >
> >The thing you really want near there is the godslayer prayerbook, it's a bit south
> >from the omen through an stone imp key area.
> I already turned that in. I remember you telling me about it. I have
> the GodSlayer Seal. I can't use it yet. It needs 27 Faith, mine is
> 26. I need 48,000 runes to level up again. I am not happy whatsoever
> about that at all. That is a long ways away.

Don't worry about the seal, it's just the spells, especially Black Flame. It costs
more mana than fire sling for the damage but it also does a good deal of poise
damage which means it can often stun in one or two casts, which will allow a
riposte for a lot of damage if you're close enough.

- Justisaur

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