Louis Rossman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY

The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!

Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

In article <M2tAM.103866$X02a.64099@fx46.iad>, David Brooks
<David.B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

no.

On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
> Louis Rossman
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY
>
> The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!
>
> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

That's quite a nice business model.

I didn't listen to the whole thing, because Youtube
inserted an advert and I shut it down, but it should be
noted that the engineering did not need to be done that way.
It was done that way because their boss said:

MAKE ME SOME HANDCUFFS

That is handcuff engineering, where purposeful non-modular
design is done, to complicate anything that happens downstream.

If you didn't do that, and you were doing this:

Base model $1000 256GB
High model $1600 1024GB

the customers would buy $1000 model and insert $100 1TB storage
from Costco their own selves, and have a $1600 computer for only $1100.

By using that arcane, non-modular scheme, that prevents
easy upgrading. Which is predictable. Without even opening
a computer and looking inside, just by looking at a price
chart, you can "predict" which parts of the machine have
HANDCUFFs in place. You can't have a pricing model like that,
if the storage has a SATA connector. If you were designing
laptops, you would instead use three different Intel processor
model numbers for your "small/medium/large" pricing model. Changing
out an Intel BGA processor is a bit risky, on low quality motherboards,
so only a few people would have the skill to offer 100% guarantee of
success.

Intel had put HANDCUFFs in their $17 processor, as part of
this sort of model of doing business. That's how you could
have an Intel-based tablet, with 1GB of soldered down RAM, and
because it was Intel handcuffs that prevented more than 1GB of
RAM from working, the manufacturer could not make a 2GB model
and differentiate. That HANDCUFF model, prevented $17 processors
from replacing Intel $300 laptop processors. It was there to
stratify the Intel ladder model. Intel has since fixed that,
by not even offering a $17 processor :-)

Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>

Paul

On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
> On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>> Louis Rossman
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY
>>
>> The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!
>>
>> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?
>
> That's quite a nice business model.
>
> I didn't listen to the whole thing, because Youtube
> inserted an advert and I shut it down, but it should be
> noted that the engineering did not need to be done that way.
> It was done that way because their boss said:
>
> MAKE ME SOME HANDCUFFS
>
> That is handcuff engineering, where purposeful non-modular
> design is done, to complicate anything that happens downstream.
>
> If you didn't do that, and you were doing this:
>
> Base model $1000 256GB
> High model $1600 1024GB
>
> the customers would buy $1000 model and insert $100 1TB storage
> from Costco their own selves, and have a $1600 computer for only $1100.
>
> By using that arcane, non-modular scheme, that prevents
> easy upgrading. Which is predictable. Without even opening
> a computer and looking inside, just by looking at a price
> chart, you can "predict" which parts of the machine have
> HANDCUFFs in place. You can't have a pricing model like that,
> if the storage has a SATA connector. If you were designing
> laptops, you would instead use three different Intel processor
> model numbers for your "small/medium/large" pricing model. Changing
> out an Intel BGA processor is a bit risky, on low quality motherboards,
> so only a few people would have the skill to offer 100% guarantee of
> success.
>
> Intel had put HANDCUFFs in their $17 processor, as part of
> this sort of model of doing business. That's how you could
> have an Intel-based tablet, with 1GB of soldered down RAM, and
> because it was Intel handcuffs that prevented more than 1GB of
> RAM from working, the manufacturer could not make a 2GB model
> and differentiate. That HANDCUFF model, prevented $17 processors
> from replacing Intel $300 laptop processors. It was there to
> stratify the Intel ladder model. Intel has since fixed that,
> by not even offering a $17 processor :-)
>
> Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
> and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
> you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>

Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.

Much appreciated. :-)

Did you read any of the many 'Comments' under the YT video?

--
David

On 8/8/23 11:20, this is what David Brooks wrote:
> Louis Rossman
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY
>
> The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!
>
> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?
TL:DR; I watched a bit of the movie and if I get the jist, Apple screwed you by design both physical and intellectually.
I want to swap drives, and memory. I'd also like to replace batteries in laptops but that seems to be going by the
wayside!
--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

Am 11.08.23 um 07:18 schrieb Gremlin:
> --
> I was told I could avoid Jail if I went to therapy.

Didn't really help.

--
Alea iacta est

On 08/08/2023 18:44, Big Al wrote:
> On 8/8/23 11:20, this is what David Brooks wrote:
>> Louis Rossman
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY
>>
>> The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!
>>
>> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?
> TL:DR; I watched a bit of the movie and if I get the jist, Apple screwed
> you by design both physical and intellectually.

It's a matter of choice. Apple make products and folk decide for
themselves whether or not to buy them. Their operating systems are
unique, but I do have Linux Mint running on my old 24 inch iMac!

> I want to swap drives, and memory.   I'd also like to replace batteries
> in laptops but that seems to be going by the wayside!

I used to be able to mend just about anything which went wrong with my
car. Nowadays, though, I prefer to have maintenance and repairs done by
a garage.

--
David

On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
> news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in
> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
>>> On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> Louis Rossman
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY
>>>>
>>>> The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!
>>>>
>>>> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?
>
> He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you
> should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs
> their gear that you are so thrilled with

I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!

>>> Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
>>> and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
>>> you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.
>
> He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
> years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to
> argue about the quality of Apples engineering.

I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its
competitors.

> So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own
> words.

Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)

>> Much appreciated. :-)
>
> Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone
> responds to you at all, going by your known history.

Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try it!

On Aug 11, 2023 at 4:26:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<DVoBM.238378$Fgta.165681@fx10.iad>:

> On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>> news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in
>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> Louis Rossman
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY
>>>>>
>>>>> The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?
>>
>> He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you
>> should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs
>> their gear that you are so thrilled with
>
> I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!
>
>>>> Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
>>>> and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
>>>> you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.
>>
>> He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
>> years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to
>> argue about the quality of Apples engineering.
>
> I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its
> competitors.
>
>> So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own
>> words.
>
> Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
> things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)
>
>>> Much appreciated. :-)
>>
>> Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone
>> responds to you at all, going by your known history.
>
> Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try it!

I do not relate to those who seek to cause harm. What happened to them to make
them like that?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 11/08/2023 16:13, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2023 at 4:26:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <DVoBM.238378$Fgta.165681@fx10.iad>:
>
>> On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in
>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> Louis Rossman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?
>>>
>>> He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you
>>> should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs
>>> their gear that you are so thrilled with
>>
>> I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!
>>
>>>>> Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
>>>>> and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
>>>>> you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.
>>>
>>> He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
>>> years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to
>>> argue about the quality of Apples engineering.
>>
>> I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its
>> competitors.
>>
>>> So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own
>>> words.
>>
>> Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
>> things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)
>>
>>>> Much appreciated. :-)
>>>
>>> Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone
>>> responds to you at all, going by your known history.
>>
>> Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try it!
>
> I do not relate to those who seek to cause harm. What happened to them to make
> them like that?

I suspect bad parenting in Dustin's case.

IIRC, he had TWO dads who died on him. :-(

On Aug 11, 2023 at 8:33:47 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<vxsBM.359425$xMqa.144015@fx12.iad>:

> On 11/08/2023 16:13, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 11, 2023 at 4:26:27 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <DVoBM.238378$Fgta.165681@fx10.iad>:
>>
>>> On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
>>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in
>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>> Louis Rossman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?
>>>>
>>>> He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you
>>>> should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs
>>>> their gear that you are so thrilled with
>>>
>>> I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!
>>>
>>>>>> Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
>>>>>> and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
>>>>>> you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.
>>>>
>>>> He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
>>>> years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to
>>>> argue about the quality of Apples engineering.
>>>
>>> I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its
>>> competitors.
>>>
>>>> So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own
>>>> words.
>>>
>>> Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
>>> things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)
>>>
>>>>> Much appreciated. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone
>>>> responds to you at all, going by your known history.
>>>
>>> Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try it!
>>
>> I do not relate to those who seek to cause harm. What happened to them to make
>> them like that?
>
> I suspect bad parenting in Dustin's case.
>
> IIRC, he had TWO dads who died on him. :-(

Whatever has happened I sincerely wish he would seek help. I have been open
that because of my atypical (POTS / dysautonomia / anxiety / panic) I have
sought help. There is no shame to it.

He has no idea how much he needs such help.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 16:33:47 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

>On 11/08/2023 16:13, Snit wrote:

>> I do not relate to those who seek to cause harm. What happened to them to make
>> them like that?
>
>I suspect bad parenting in Dustin's case.

You'd know something about bad parenting, having spent an adult lifetime at it.

>IIRC, he had TWO dads who died on him. :-(

I don't know if that's true, but it would still be better than losing a child.

David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:g5vAM.576457$GMN3.558188@fx16.iad Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:39:23 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On 08/08/2023 17:53, Paul wrote:
>> On 8/8/2023 11:20 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>> Louis Rossman
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4VMqatEY
>>>
>>> The 'Comments' section makes interesting reading!
>>>
>>> Does Mr Rossman have a good point?

He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that you
should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really designs
their gear that you are so thrilled with

>> Conclusion: By using a poorly formed ladder model for your pricing,
>> and putting the HANDCUFFs on the wrong hardware component,
>> you come out smelling like a pig. <Shocked face>
>
>
>
> Thank you for your interesting response, Paul.

He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting to
argue about the quality of Apples engineering.

So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In your own
words.

> Much appreciated. :-)

Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that anyone
responds to you at all, going by your known history.

--
I was told I could avoid Jail if I went to therapy.
At my first session the therapist said to me, "Imagine a train is coming
towards you, what do you do?" I said, "I get in my helicopter and fly away"
He said, "Where did you get the helicopter from?" I said, "The same fuckin
place you got that train"

David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:DVoBM.238378$Fgta.165681@fx10.iad Fri, 11 Aug 2023 11:26:27 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On 11/08/2023 06:18, Gremlin wrote:
>> He's had excellent points for years. I suggested several years ago that
>> you should check his channel out so that you could see how Apple really
>> designs their gear that you are so thrilled with
>
> I've kept an eye on Mr Rossman ever since you mentioned him!

Well! So you do sometimes listen to me, then. :)
>> He's repeating what I told you about your beloved Apple company several
>> years ago, David. Instead of thanking me though, I recall you wanting
>> to argue about the quality of Apples engineering.
>
> I believe Apple's engineering to be at least as good as any of its
> competitors.

Deliberately making things un repairable, or limited with direct soldering
like that is not a good example of great engineering, imho.
>> So how much of it did you actually take in and understand David? In
>> your own words.
>
> Simply that Paul is a 'nuts & bolts' man who like to be able to fix
> things himself. I used to be like that too! ;-)

Fair enough. I have a very high amount of respect for Paul as well. He's
very knowledgeable and knows components at a very intimate level.

>> Well, that's probably true. You should be grateful at this point that
>> anyone responds to you at all, going by your known history.
>
> Paul is much like me, Dustin. He enjoys HELPING people. You should try
> it!

I do, on a daily basis. it's what I consider to be a normal thing for a
human to do.

--
I was told I could avoid Jail if I went to therapy.
At my first session the therapist said to me, "Imagine a train is coming
towards you, what do you do?" I said, "I get in my helicopter and fly away"
He said, "Where did you get the helicopter from?" I said, "The same fuckin
place you got that train"

David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
news:vxsBM.359425$xMqa.144015@fx12.iad Fri, 11 Aug 2023 15:33:47 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> I suspect bad parenting in Dustin's case.

There was no bad parenting, David. I'm still alive. Had I been born into
your family, I probably would have suffered the same fate as Nick; due to
your irresponsibility in getting him the medical attention he required,
years before, he dropped dead in front of his girl.

Did she ever recover from that? Watching someone die in front of you isn't
something you just forget, you know.
> IIRC, he had TWO dads who died on him. :-(

You have no idea what you're writing about, but, I read your intent behind
it crystal clear. In response, when was the last time you actually spoke to
Nick? Do you remember the last conversation you had with him? Did you get to
have a conversation? Or, was it a "surprise" he dropped dead in front of his
fucking girl?

Ever figure out for sure what killed him? Not knowing, for certain, and
never being able to find out for certain really sucks doesn't it? Does Trish
still wonder, or has she just accepted it as 'Gods will' or something else
along those lines?

Just curious...

--
I was told I could avoid Jail if I went to therapy.
At my first session the therapist said to me, "Imagine a train is coming
towards you, what do you do?" I said, "I get in my helicopter and fly away"
He said, "Where did you get the helicopter from?" I said, "The same fuckin
place you got that train"