I've just wasted an hour while Windows 10 tried to do it's latest
monthly update. Clearly something wasn't right, so I wasn't surprised
when it eventually said something like "unable to complete update,
undoing changes", which took another 10 minutes or so. (I'm on version
22H2, 32-bit.) I imagine the update contained some bug, and that it will
try again with a fixed version in a few days. I can remember that
happening once before some time ago.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On 10/11/2023 4:59 AM, John Hall wrote:
> I've just wasted an hour while Windows 10 tried to do it's latest
> monthly update. Clearly something wasn't right, so I wasn't surprised
> when it eventually said something like "unable to complete update,
> undoing changes", which took another 10 minutes or so. (I'm on version
> 22H2, 32-bit.) I imagine the update contained some bug, and that it will
> try again with a fixed version in a few days. I can remember that
> happening once before some time ago.

I was able to use KB5031356 to update version 22H2, 64-bit.
I always download the standalone package from the Microsoft Update
Catalog website.
After that update, I did need to do the
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth command, because the SFC
/scannow command didn't work like it should have.
Everything seems fine now.
]

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:59:38 +0100, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>I've just wasted an hour while Windows 10 tried to do it's latest
>monthly update. Clearly something wasn't right, so I wasn't surprised
>when it eventually said something like "unable to complete update,
>undoing changes", which took another 10 minutes or so. (I'm on version
>22H2, 32-bit.) I imagine the update contained some bug, and that it will
>try again with a fixed version in a few days. I can remember that
>happening once before some time ago.

Two years ago it didn't undo its changes and I had almost 3 months when
the computer wouldn't start.

I had just installed a somewhat unusual program and I thought I'd
created the problem, but I didnt' know how to fix that either.

I spent 10 or 20 hours with various reputable fix-it programs, linux
based iirc, with no luck. (Except I was able to extract my data and
move it to the laptop.)

Finally I saw something that mentioned in passing pressing some high
F-key, 11 or 12, I think, while starting the computer, and that's all I
had to do. I told people here and on home.repair and got no reaction,
even though I think it was extremely important to know about.

By this time it was 3 months later and the next update, which I assumed
included what had been a bad file, worked fine. Although now I see my
windows updates haven't run since about that time!

Be happy none of this applies to you. YET, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!

On 10/11/2023 9:06 AM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:59:38 +0100, John Hall
> <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I've just wasted an hour while Windows 10 tried to do it's latest
>> monthly update. Clearly something wasn't right, so I wasn't surprised
>> when it eventually said something like "unable to complete update,
>> undoing changes", which took another 10 minutes or so. (I'm on version
>> 22H2, 32-bit.) I imagine the update contained some bug, and that it will
>> try again with a fixed version in a few days. I can remember that
>> happening once before some time ago.
>
> Two years ago it didn't undo its changes and I had almost 3 months when
> the computer wouldn't start.
>
> I had just installed a somewhat unusual program and I thought I'd
> created the problem, but I didnt' know how to fix that either.
>
> I spent 10 or 20 hours with various reputable fix-it programs, linux
> based iirc, with no luck. (Except I was able to extract my data and
> move it to the laptop.)
>
> Finally I saw something that mentioned in passing pressing some high
> F-key, 11 or 12, I think, while starting the computer, and that's all I
> had to do. I told people here and on home.repair and got no reaction,
> even though I think it was extremely important to know about.
>
> By this time it was 3 months later and the next update, which I assumed
> included what had been a bad file, worked fine. Although now I see my
> windows updates haven't run since about that time!
>
> Be happy none of this applies to you. YET, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!
>

Do you see anything here that rings a bell ?

https://www.minitool.com/news/windows-10-function-keys-f1-f12.html

Anything that fixes a computer, is extremely important in the instant
it does something.

Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 11 Oct 2023 14:02:08 -0400, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/11/2023 9:06 AM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:59:38 +0100, John Hall
>> <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I've just wasted an hour while Windows 10 tried to do it's latest
>>> monthly update. Clearly something wasn't right, so I wasn't surprised
>>> when it eventually said something like "unable to complete update,
>>> undoing changes", which took another 10 minutes or so. (I'm on version
>>> 22H2, 32-bit.) I imagine the update contained some bug, and that it will
>>> try again with a fixed version in a few days. I can remember that
>>> happening once before some time ago.
>>
>> Two years ago it didn't undo its changes and I had almost 3 months when
>> the computer wouldn't start.
>>
>> I had just installed a somewhat unusual program and I thought I'd
>> created the problem, but I didnt' know how to fix that either.
>>
>> I spent 10 or 20 hours with various reputable fix-it programs, linux
>> based iirc, with no luck. (Except I was able to extract my data and
>> move it to the laptop.)
>>
>> Finally I saw something that mentioned in passing pressing some high
>> F-key, 11 or 12, I think, while starting the computer, and that's all I

BTW, I have a terrible memory for numbers. Monday I had a doctor's
appt and had to look at my note 5 times, every half hour to know when I
had to be there.

>> had to do. I told people here and on home.repair and got no reaction,
>> even though I think it was extremely important to know about.
>>
>> By this time it was 3 months later and the next update, which I assumed
>> included what had been a bad file, worked fine. Although now I see my
>> windows updates haven't run since about that time!
>>
>> Be happy none of this applies to you. YET, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!
>>
>
>Do you see anything here that rings a bell ?
>
> https://www.minitool.com/news/windows-10-function-keys-f1-f12.html

This might have meant something:
>F11 Access the hidden recovery partition on some computers including Lenovo.

Except it's a refurbished computer and I dont' think it has a hidden
recovery partition. I think I checked when I got it. And I checked
again with Minitool Partition Wizard Free and it doesn't. Is that
something refurbishers ever install?

But it would make sense that MS would, even if there is no hidden
recovery partition, undo the last system update when one uses F11. Does
the ssystem automatically take restore points before it does Windows
Update? So would going back to the previous restore point undo a system
update? (Or would that be F8 anyhow/ I didn't use F8.)

Now I'm not positive what the suggestion said that made me do this. Was
it referring to a hidden recovery partition? IIRC, it was so brief that
there was nothing about that, nothing either way, just said use Fnn,
probably F11.

Googling now, I find little, but
https://www.ubackup.com/articles/f11-system-recovery-not-working-5740i.html
F11 is a special key set by HP, Dell, or Lenovo computer manufacturer
to recover system to computer default settings when your computer (PCs,
notebooks, desktops) corrupted due to hardware or software failure.
Okay, so it includes HP, which this is, but it shows first getting a
menu. I didn't get any menu. It just restarted, correctly, after I'd
tried that 30 times in the previous 3 months, when I didn't use F11.

"However, many users report that F11 system recovery is not working,
this may be caused mistaken deletion or overwriting. Also, if you
upgrade Windows 7/8/8.1 to Windows 10 or download to previous system,
this error will occur. At this time, you cannot boot your computer and
do the system recovery. Don't worry about it! Read the content in the
next part and fix this error..... F11 is very useful when you want to
factory reset your computer to its default settings, but you may not
want to use it if your computer works well. Since it will delete
everything on your computer, leaving a fresh version of system only."

>Press Ctrl + F11 to access hidden recovery partition on many Dell computers.

Same problems.

Nothing in F12 looks helpful.

>Anything that fixes a computer, is extremely important in the instant
>it does something.

For sure, but I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not. Also
important when the computer doesn't work.

All I know is that in two ng's, including this one, either no one
replied at all, or one replied and said something wishywashy,

At least someone should have objected because right now it seems like
F11 had no chance of working so well.

And strange still is that I watched and the first windows update after I
did this worked fine. Then I stopped watching and since by now my email
and newsgroups were on the laptop, I didn't pay much attention to the
desktop (even though it's faster computer with 32 gigs of ram) and
didn't notice it was not updating. If it updated once, why wouldn't it
the next time? A separate problem or the legacy of the first one?

(WRT that other thread, I still plan to work on fixing the lack of
updating, repair install you suggested.)

> Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:06:06 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>Googling now, I find little, but
>https://www.ubackup.com/articles/f11-system-recovery-not-working-5740i.html

Further down on this same page I find a recommendation for AOMEI OneKey
Recovery, which it says creates a recovery partition (sort of like what
some manufacturers make) and iiuc you can update it periodically so it's
got all your data too.
https://www.ubackup.com/onekey-recovery.html

Any opinions on this? The first 3 reviews I saw were good.

Not only is my desktop refurbished but I redid my laptop from scratch,
maybe because I was replacing a bad drive with an SSD. If the drive
wasn't bad, I didn't think that it might have a hidden recovery
partition. Didn't try to copy or duplicate it. Shame on me. Or maybe it
wasn't win10. Would onekey-recovery put me good again?

> F11 is a special key set by HP, Dell, or Lenovo computer manufacturer
>to recover system to computer default settings when your computer (PCs,
>notebooks, desktops) corrupted due to hardware or software failure.
>Okay, so it includes HP, which this is, but it shows first getting a
>menu. I didn't get any menu. It just restarted, correctly, after I'd
>tried that 30 times in the previous 3 months, when I didn't use F11.
>
>"However, many users report that F11 system recovery is not working,
>this may be caused mistaken deletion or overwriting. Also, if you
>upgrade Windows 7/8/8.1 to Windows 10 or download to previous system,
>this error will occur. At this time, you cannot boot your computer and
>do the system recovery. Don't worry about it! Read the content in the
>next part and fix this error..... F11 is very useful when you want to
>factory reset your computer to its default settings, but you may not
>want to use it if your computer works well. Since it will delete
>everything on your computer, leaving a fresh version of system only."

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:59:38 +0100, John Hall
> <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

> >I've just wasted an hour while Windows 10 tried to do it's latest
> >monthly update. Clearly something wasn't right, so I wasn't surprised
> >when it eventually said something like "unable to complete update,
> >undoing changes", which took another 10 minutes or so. (I'm on version
> >22H2, 32-bit.) I imagine the update contained some bug, and that it will
> >try again with a fixed version in a few days. I can remember that
> >happening once before some time ago.

> Two years ago it didn't undo its changes and I had almost 3 months when
> the computer wouldn't start.

> I had just installed a somewhat unusual program and I thought I'd
> created the problem, but I didnt' know how to fix that either.

> I spent 10 or 20 hours with various reputable fix-it programs, linux
> based iirc, with no luck. (Except I was able to extract my data and
> move it to the laptop.)

> Finally I saw something that mentioned in passing pressing some high
> F-key, 11 or 12, I think, while starting the computer, and that's all I
> had to do. I told people here and on home.repair and got no reaction,
> even though I think it was extremely important to know about.

> By this time it was 3 months later and the next update, which I assumed
> included what had been a bad file, worked fine. Although now I see my
> windows updates haven't run since about that time!

> Be happy none of this applies to you. YET, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!

Always make back ups. I made back up of my C before getting any major updates like Windows'. You never know what surprises might come up!
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John Hall wrote:
> I've just wasted an hour while Windows 10 tried to do it's latest
> monthly update. Clearly something wasn't right, so I wasn't surprised
> when it eventually said something like "unable to complete update,
> undoing changes", which took another 10 minutes or so. (I'm on version
> 22H2, 32-bit.) I imagine the update contained some bug, and that it will
> try again with a fixed version in a few days. I can remember that
> happening once before some time ago.

Whenever Windows Update fails it's a good idea to check the Win10 image.

Open an admin prompt(Command or Powershell)

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth

If the above report repair is necessary, run the following(in admin mode)
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

Also run
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore

If component cleanup is recommended, run the following(in admin mode)
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup

Repeat the process after RestoreHealth and StartComponentCleanup repairs
the image and cleans the component store.

Then rerun Windows Update(Check for Updates).

If still fails, try as other's have suggested to download the update
manually from the Microsoft Catalog.
- a good idea to ensure that the latest Service Stack is installed.

The latest SSU is KB 5031466 Version 10.0.19041.3562
The last SSU was KB5030503 Version 10.0.19041.3385
- The SSU installed can be seen in Programs and Features/View
Installed Updates.

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On 10/11/2023 3:21 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:06:06 -0400, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> Googling now, I find little, but
>> https://www.ubackup.com/articles/f11-system-recovery-not-working-5740i.html
>
> Further down on this same page I find a recommendation for AOMEI OneKey
> Recovery, which it says creates a recovery partition (sort of like what
> some manufacturers make) and iiuc you can update it periodically so it's
> got all your data too.
> https://www.ubackup.com/onekey-recovery.html
>
> Any opinions on this? The first 3 reviews I saw were good.
>
> Not only is my desktop refurbished but I redid my laptop from scratch,
> maybe because I was replacing a bad drive with an SSD. If the drive
> wasn't bad, I didn't think that it might have a hidden recovery
> partition. Didn't try to copy or duplicate it. Shame on me. Or maybe it
> wasn't win10. Would onekey-recovery put me good again?
>
>
>> F11 is a special key set by HP, Dell, or Lenovo computer manufacturer
>> to recover system to computer default settings when your computer (PCs,
>> notebooks, desktops) corrupted due to hardware or software failure.
>> Okay, so it includes HP, which this is, but it shows first getting a
>> menu. I didn't get any menu. It just restarted, correctly, after I'd
>> tried that 30 times in the previous 3 months, when I didn't use F11.
>>
>> "However, many users report that F11 system recovery is not working,
>> this may be caused mistaken deletion or overwriting. Also, if you
>> upgrade Windows 7/8/8.1 to Windows 10 or download to previous system,
>> this error will occur. At this time, you cannot boot your computer and
>> do the system recovery. Don't worry about it! Read the content in the
>> next part and fix this error..... F11 is very useful when you want to
>> factory reset your computer to its default settings, but you may not
>> want to use it if your computer works well. Since it will delete
>> everything on your computer, leaving a fresh version of system only."

I recommend a backup of your nicely configured and clean OS.

Restore it when things go south, and that will save time.
Then, you bring in the latest Cumulative and .NET updates,
and you're back up to date, more or less. Don't forget to
save your email folder and Bookmarks.html file, before
paving anything. And your Downloads.

The machine is usually in a rush to fetch from here. The machine
uses the Windows Update (incremental) version, rather than one
of these full updaters.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/defenderupdates

*******

The problem with some "recovery updater" things, is
they're sysprepped and don't have your applications
on board. That makes such a thing a "pretty clean install".
How this is better than just getting a Win10 disc from
the Microsoft download, I'm not sure. I wasted a lot of
time one day, to find the tool flow was just tossing away
all my apps and making a pretty boring recovery for me.

I have not evaluated any commercial offerings of that
nature, so don't know how good they are. They could be
based upon the WADK kit from Microsoft. That's partially
what Macrium uses for making media and doing neat stuff
(adding drivers to their disc).

Microsoft used to have the concepts of "Reset" and "Refresh",
and one of those keeps your files and applications. I don't
know if those buttons exist today in Win10 or not. They used to.

Paul

In message <SImDrYAKInJlFwVM@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes
>I've just wasted an hour while Windows 10 tried to do it's latest
>monthly update. Clearly something wasn't right, so I wasn't surprised
>when it eventually said something like "unable to complete update,
>undoing changes", which took another 10 minutes or so. (I'm on version
>22H2, 32-bit.) I imagine the update contained some bug, and that it
>will try again with a fixed version in a few days. I can remember that
>happening once before some time ago.

And 24 hours later, the presumably now bug-fixed update has taken place
without a hitch.
--
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"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On 10/12/2023 3:36 AM, Paul wrote:
>
> I recommend a backup of your nicely configured and clean OS.
>
> Restore it when things go south, and that will save time.
> Then, you bring in the latest Cumulative and .NET updates,
> and you're back up to date, more or less. Don't forget to
> save your email folder and Bookmarks.html file, before
> paving anything. And your Downloads.
>
> The machine is usually in a rush to fetch from here. The machine
> uses the Windows Update (incremental) version, rather than one
> of these full updaters.
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/defenderupdates
>
> *******
>
> The problem with some "recovery updater" things, is
> they're sysprepped and don't have your applications
> on board. That makes such a thing a "pretty clean install".
> How this is better than just getting a Win10 disc from
> the Microsoft download, I'm not sure. I wasted a lot of
> time one day, to find the tool flow was just tossing away
> all my apps and making a pretty boring recovery for me.
>
> I have not evaluated any commercial offerings of that
> nature, so don't know how good they are. They could be
> based upon the WADK kit from Microsoft. That's partially
> what Macrium uses for making media and doing neat stuff
> (adding drivers to their disc).
>
> Microsoft used to have the concepts of "Reset" and "Refresh",
> and one of those keeps your files and applications. I don't
> know if those buttons exist today in Win10 or not. They used to.
>
> Paul

The "Refresh" feature no longer exists in Win10, but one of the "Reset"
options is to "Remove apps and settings but keep your personal files".

On 10/12/2023 2:28 AM, ...winston wrote:
> John Hall wrote:
>> I've just wasted an hour while Windows 10 tried to do it's latest
>> monthly update. Clearly something wasn't right, so I wasn't surprised
>> when it eventually said something like "unable to complete update,
>> undoing changes", which took another 10 minutes or so. (I'm on version
>> 22H2, 32-bit.) I imagine the update contained some bug, and that it
>> will try again with a fixed version in a few days. I can remember that
>> happening once before some time ago.
>
>
> Whenever Windows Update fails it's a good idea to check the Win10 image.
>
> Open an admin prompt(Command or Powershell)
>
> DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
> DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth
>
> If the above report repair is necessary, run the following(in admin mode)
> DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
>
> Also run
> DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /AnalyzeComponentStore
>
> If component cleanup is recommended, run the following(in admin mode)
> DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
>
> Repeat the process after RestoreHealth and StartComponentCleanup repairs
> the image and cleans the component store.
>
> Then rerun Windows Update(Check for Updates).
>
> If still fails, try as other's have suggested to download the update
> manually from the Microsoft Catalog.
>  - a good idea to ensure that the latest Service Stack is installed.
>
> The latest SSU is KB 5031466      Version 10.0.19041.3562
> The last SSU was KB5030503    Version 10.0.19041.3385
>  - The SSU installed can be seen in Programs and Features/View
> Installed Updates.
>

Paul wrote:
>
> Microsoft used to have the concepts of "Reset" and "Refresh",
> and one of those keeps your files and applications. I don't
> know if those buttons exist today in Win10 or not. They used to.
>
> Paul
>

Windows 10

Keep my files > Change settings > Preinstalled apps On
Reinstalls Windows 10 and keeps your personal files.
Removes apps you installed.
Removes changes you made to settings.
Restores any apps your PC manufacturer installed.

Keep my files > Change settings > Preinstalled apps Off
Reinstalls Windows 10 and keeps your personal files.
Removes apps you installed.
Removes changes you made to settings.
Removes any apps your PC manufacturer installed.

Remove everything
Reinstalls Windows 10 and removes your personal files.
Removes apps you installed.
Removes changes you made to settings.
Removes any apps your PC manufacturer installed.

Note: Remove everything > Change settings gives you two options.
Data erasure On:
Removes files and cleans the drive. If you're planning to donate,
recycle, or sell your PC, use this option. This might take an hour or
two, but it makes it harder for other people to recover files you've
removed.

Data erasure Off:
Just removes files. It takes less time, but is less secure.

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