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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Sun, 26 Dec 2021 06:56 UTC

On Friday, December 10, 2004 at 7:30:04 PM UTC-8, AngleWyrm wrote:
> "ernobe" <ern...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:31os2jF...@individual.net...
> > > Question: Suppose you only had spatio-temporal particulars (objects,
> > > persons, utterances) to go on in thinking about the world. What concept
> > > of self could you form from such material?
> > >
> What I would probably be playing sequences of events, much like movies and
> biomechanical cycles.
> > You mean spatio-temporal particulars as opposed to spatio-temporal
> > generalities? What generalities aren't spatio-temporal?
> So what is the missing element here? Seems like I can be 'aware' of myself only
> because I can view these movies from outside them, from a different viewpoint.
> Is it because I have two hemispheres to my brain?

2021 Update: This appears to have been one of my more successful Usenet posts ever.

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Tue, 28 Dec 2021 22:04 UTC

On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:56:10 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Friday, December 10, 2004 at 7:30:04 PM UTC-8, AngleWyrm wrote:
> > "ernobe" <ern...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:31os2jF...@individual.net...
> > > > Question: Suppose you only had spatio-temporal particulars (objects,
> > > > persons, utterances) to go on in thinking about the world. What concept
> > > > of self could you form from such material?
> > > >
> > What I would probably be playing sequences of events, much like movies and
> > biomechanical cycles.
> > > You mean spatio-temporal particulars as opposed to spatio-temporal
> > > generalities? What generalities aren't spatio-temporal?
> > So what is the missing element here? Seems like I can be 'aware' of myself only
> > because I can view these movies from outside them, from a different viewpoint.
> > Is it because I have two hemispheres to my brain?
> 2021 Update: This appears to have been one of my more successful Usenet posts ever.

A bit of a *contradictio in adjecto* at all, though, this "successful Usenet post".

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 31 Dec 2021 01:20 UTC

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:56:10 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Friday, December 10, 2004 at 7:30:04 PM UTC-8, AngleWyrm wrote:
> > > "ernobe" <ern...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:31os2jF...@individual.net...
> > > > > Question: Suppose you only had spatio-temporal particulars (objects,
> > > > > persons, utterances) to go on in thinking about the world. What concept
> > > > > of self could you form from such material?
> > > > >
> > > What I would probably be playing sequences of events, much like movies and
> > > biomechanical cycles.
> > > > You mean spatio-temporal particulars as opposed to spatio-temporal
> > > > generalities? What generalities aren't spatio-temporal?
> > > So what is the missing element here? Seems like I can be 'aware' of myself only
> > > because I can view these movies from outside them, from a different viewpoint.
> > > Is it because I have two hemispheres to my brain?
> > 2021 Update: This appears to have been one of my more successful Usenet posts ever.
> A bit of a *contradictio in adjecto* at all, though, this "successful Usenet post".

It was so long ago anyhow.

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:05 UTC

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 5:21:00 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:56:10 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 10, 2004 at 7:30:04 PM UTC-8, AngleWyrm wrote:
> > > > "ernobe" <ern...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:31os2jF...@individual.net...
> > > > > > Question: Suppose you only had spatio-temporal particulars (objects,
> > > > > > persons, utterances) to go on in thinking about the world. What concept
> > > > > > of self could you form from such material?
> > > > > >
> > > > What I would probably be playing sequences of events, much like movies and
> > > > biomechanical cycles.
> > > > > You mean spatio-temporal particulars as opposed to spatio-temporal
> > > > > generalities? What generalities aren't spatio-temporal?
> > > > So what is the missing element here? Seems like I can be 'aware' of myself only
> > > > because I can view these movies from outside them, from a different viewpoint.
> > > > Is it because I have two hemispheres to my brain?
> > > 2021 Update: This appears to have been one of my more successful Usenet posts ever.
> > A bit of a *contradictio in adjecto* at all, though, this "successful Usenet post".
> It was so long ago anyhow.

I'm not sure I even remember "my 2004" myself.

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 31 Dec 2021 16:23 UTC

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 10:05:22 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 5:21:00 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:56:10 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 10, 2004 at 7:30:04 PM UTC-8, AngleWyrm wrote:
> > > > > "ernobe" <ern...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:31os2jF...@individual.net...
> > > > > > > Question: Suppose you only had spatio-temporal particulars (objects,
> > > > > > > persons, utterances) to go on in thinking about the world. What concept
> > > > > > > of self could you form from such material?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > What I would probably be playing sequences of events, much like movies and
> > > > > biomechanical cycles.
> > > > > > You mean spatio-temporal particulars as opposed to spatio-temporal
> > > > > > generalities? What generalities aren't spatio-temporal?
> > > > > So what is the missing element here? Seems like I can be 'aware' of myself only
> > > > > because I can view these movies from outside them, from a different viewpoint.
> > > > > Is it because I have two hemispheres to my brain?
> > > > 2021 Update: This appears to have been one of my more successful Usenet posts ever.
> > > A bit of a *contradictio in adjecto* at all, though, this "successful Usenet post".
> > It was so long ago anyhow.
> I'm not sure I even remember "my 2004" myself.

....much as people don't really remember W. Ross Ashby's 1952 *Design for a Brain*.
(It was learned rather quickly people somehow thought the title was meant literally.)

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Sat, 8 Jan 2022 15:50 UTC

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 8:23:40 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 10:05:22 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 5:21:00 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:56:10 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, December 10, 2004 at 7:30:04 PM UTC-8, AngleWyrm wrote:
> > > > > > "ernobe" <ern...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:31os2jF...@individual.net...
> > > > > > > > Question: Suppose you only had spatio-temporal particulars (objects,
> > > > > > > > persons, utterances) to go on in thinking about the world. What concept
> > > > > > > > of self could you form from such material?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > What I would probably be playing sequences of events, much like movies and
> > > > > > biomechanical cycles.
> > > > > > > You mean spatio-temporal particulars as opposed to spatio-temporal
> > > > > > > generalities? What generalities aren't spatio-temporal?
> > > > > > So what is the missing element here? Seems like I can be 'aware' of myself only
> > > > > > because I can view these movies from outside them, from a different viewpoint.
> > > > > > Is it because I have two hemispheres to my brain?
> > > > > 2021 Update: This appears to have been one of my more successful Usenet posts ever.
> > > > A bit of a *contradictio in adjecto* at all, though, this "successful Usenet post".
> > > It was so long ago anyhow.
> > I'm not sure I even remember "my 2004" myself.
> ...much as people don't really remember W. Ross Ashby's 1952 *Design for a Brain*.
> (It was learned rather quickly people somehow thought the title was meant literally.)

Warren McCulloch is also "remembered poorly", that is to say his ideas are central to
many modern naturalist theories of the brain but one can hardly stand to mention him.
(He wasn't a nice person, especially, but that's not the issue.)

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by: Jeffrey Rubard - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 03:24 UTC

On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 7:50:20 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 8:23:40 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 10:05:22 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 5:21:00 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:56:10 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, December 10, 2004 at 7:30:04 PM UTC-8, AngleWyrm wrote:
> > > > > > > "ernobe" <ern...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:31os2jF...@individual.net...
> > > > > > > > > Question: Suppose you only had spatio-temporal particulars (objects,
> > > > > > > > > persons, utterances) to go on in thinking about the world. What concept
> > > > > > > > > of self could you form from such material?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I would probably be playing sequences of events, much like movies and
> > > > > > > biomechanical cycles.
> > > > > > > > You mean spatio-temporal particulars as opposed to spatio-temporal
> > > > > > > > generalities? What generalities aren't spatio-temporal?
> > > > > > > So what is the missing element here? Seems like I can be 'aware' of myself only
> > > > > > > because I can view these movies from outside them, from a different viewpoint.
> > > > > > > Is it because I have two hemispheres to my brain?
> > > > > > 2021 Update: This appears to have been one of my more successful Usenet posts ever.
> > > > > A bit of a *contradictio in adjecto* at all, though, this "successful Usenet post".
> > > > It was so long ago anyhow.
> > > I'm not sure I even remember "my 2004" myself.
> > ...much as people don't really remember W. Ross Ashby's 1952 *Design for a Brain*.
> > (It was learned rather quickly people somehow thought the title was meant literally.)
> Warren McCulloch is also "remembered poorly", that is to say his ideas are central to
> many modern naturalist theories of the brain but one can hardly stand to mention him.
> (He wasn't a nice person, especially, but that's not the issue.)

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computers / comp.ai.philosophy / Re: Design For A Self?

Subject	Author
Re: Design For A Self?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: Design For A Self?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: Design For A Self?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: Design For A Self?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: Design For A Self?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: Design For A Self?	Jeffrey Rubard
Re: Design For A Self?	Jeffrey Rubard