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 by: None - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 14:48 UTC

What options do I have to safely (for spf) forward email to external
server?I am not really updated with current possibilities and tools for
forwarding. Mostly I just forward internally with the virtual user table
which is sort of ok.

gmail is still having the ~all so this would probably work fine:

test@gmail.com -> test@me.com -> test@test.com

However when a domain has an -all this forwarding will fail (if the
test.com servers check the spf):

test@example.com -> test@me.com -> test@test.com

Is there an option for sendmail to forward replacing test@example.com
with test@me.com? Or does I need to get some sort of milter to do this.
What options do I have?

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 by: Marco Moock - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 17:52 UTC

Am 06.08.2023 um 16:48:16 Uhr schrieb None:

> What options do I have to safely (for spf) forward email to external
> server?I am not really updated with current possibilities and tools
> for forwarding. Mostly I just forward internally with the virtual
> user table which is sort of ok.
>
> gmail is still having the ~all so this would probably work fine:
>
> test@gmail.com -> test@me.com -> test@test.com
>
> However when a domain has an -all this forwarding will fail (if the
> test.com servers check the spf):
>
> test@example.com -> test@me.com -> test@test.com

SPF checks the MAIL FROM: in the SMTP session.
aliases will only rewrite RCPT TO, so it will result in an SPF fail.

MAIL FROM: needs to be rewritten to a domain that includes your server
in the SPF record.

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 by: None - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 21:44 UTC

>
>> What options do I have to safely (for spf) forward email to external
>> server?I am not really updated with current possibilities and tools
>> for forwarding. Mostly I just forward internally with the virtual
>> user table which is sort of ok.
>>
>> gmail is still having the ~all so this would probably work fine:
>>
>> test@gmail.com -> test@me.com -> test@test.com
>>
>> However when a domain has an -all this forwarding will fail (if the
>> test.com servers check the spf):
>>
>> test@example.com -> test@me.com -> test@test.com
>
> SPF checks the MAIL FROM: in the SMTP session.
> aliases will only rewrite RCPT TO, so it will result in an SPF fail.
>
> MAIL FROM: needs to be rewritten to a domain that includes your server
> in the SPF record.
>

Indeed, so how can I do this easiest? Maybe I have to also strip DKIM
headers.

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 by: Claus Aßmann - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 05:52 UTC

None wrote:

> Is there an option for sendmail to forward replacing test@example.com
> with test@me.com?

Address rewriting and rulesets are explained in doc/op/op.*
It might be a bit complicated...

You could also look for "SRS" - there are probably example
rules available (check your favorite search engine).

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 by: Claus Aßmann - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 07:12 UTC

Marco Moock wrote:

> SPF checks the MAIL FROM: in the SMTP session.
> aliases will only rewrite RCPT TO, so it will result in an SPF fail.

op.*:
2.6.3. List owners
....
List owners also cause the envelope sender
address to be modified. The contents of the owner
alias are used if they point to a single user, oth-
erwise the name of the alias itself is used.

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 by: None - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:56 UTC

>
>> Is there an option for sendmail to forward replacing test@example.com
>> with test@me.com?
>
> Address rewriting and rulesets are explained in doc/op/op.*
> It might be a bit complicated...
>
> You could also look for "SRS" - there are probably example
> rules available (check your favorite search engine).
>

Thanks! This SRS was indeed the perfect keyword to search for. I
currently have this sort of setup. Where external email is received on a
mx server that relays to local mail server for users to collect their
email.

email

|
|
|
V
+------------+
| MX |
| |
| accessmap |
| |
+------+-----+
|
|
|
+------+-----+
| LOCAL |
| |
| virtuser |
| |
+------------+

1. Ideally (I guess) I would like to have the MX servers check if the
email needs local delivery or forwarded, and if it is externally
forwarded, it should go through the srs milter on the mx servers to the
external server. Or would this be impossible to do here? Maybe only the
LOCAL would be able to forward the message?
(I prefer to use sendmail, and not have lookups done by the milter in eg
mysql)

2. Do you know if the ‘reply to’ in mail clients still use the original
email address, or will this be changed?

[1]
https://github.com/d--j/srs-milter

[2]
http://www.open-spf.org/SRS/

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 by: None - Wed, 9 Aug 2023 10:43 UTC

>> Is there an option for sendmail to forward replacing test@example.com
>> with test@me.com?
>
> Address rewriting and rulesets are explained in doc/op/op.*
> It might be a bit complicated...
>

What is the recommended url of reading this online?

https://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/
this has some older stuff.

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 by: Marco Moock - Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:18 UTC

Am 09.08.2023 um 12:43:19 Uhr schrieb None:

> What is the recommended url of reading this online?

ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/

Search the tar.gz archive for your version, unpack it.

IIRC there is no direct URL on this server that has the file contents
for reading in the browser.

There is a service on fossies.org that has these archives unpacked:
https://fossies.org/linux/misc/sendmail.8.17.2.tar.gz/

https://fossies.org/linux/sendmail/doc/op/op.me

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 by: None - Wed, 9 Aug 2023 20:42 UTC

> There is a service on fossies.org that has these archives unpacked:
> https://fossies.org/linux/misc/sendmail.8.17.2.tar.gz/
>
> https://fossies.org/linux/sendmail/doc/op/op.me
>

I can't open the .me can't open the .ps. This .me looks crappy online
wtf is this not just in html

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 by: Claus Aßmann - Thu, 10 Aug 2023 05:41 UTC

None wrote:

> I can't open the .me can't open the .ps. This .me looks crappy online

Why don't you use the documentation that comes with the
source code distribution?

(that will even include a Makefile to convert .me to
other formats... - man nroff / man groff)

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 by: Marco Moock - Thu, 10 Aug 2023 06:40 UTC

Am 09.08.2023 schrieb None <hzcnjkx656@tormails.com>:

> I can't open the .me can't open the .ps.
You can read the .ps with the Linux software gv.

You can also use pdf2ps to convert it to pdf.

Re: What options do I have to safely (for spf) forward email to external server?

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https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=777&group=comp.mail.sendmail#777

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From: ask...@ag-trek.de (Andreas S. Kerber)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: What options do I have to safely (for spf) forward email to external server?
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 by: Andreas S. Kerber - Thu, 10 Aug 2023 07:38 UTC

None <hzcnjkx656@tormails.com> wrote:
> I can't open the .me can't open the .ps. This .me looks crappy online
> wtf is this not just in html

I converted 8.17.2 .ps file to html at this url: https://hilfe.idkom.de/sendmail/op.html

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