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* News Admin Survey 2023News Admin Survey 2023
+* Re: News Admin Survey 2023Adam H. Kerman
|+- Re: News Admin Survey 2023Marco Moock
|+* Re: News Admin Survey 2023Seamus Coleman
||`- Re: News Admin Survey 2023Adam H. Kerman
|`* Re: News Admin Survey 2023Seamus Coleman
| `- Re: News Admin Survey 2023Adam H. Kerman
+* Re: News Admin Survey 2023Nigel Reed
|`- Re: News Admin Survey 2023News Admin Survey 2023
`* Re: News Admin Survey 2023Adam W.
 `- Re: News Admin Survey 2023News Admin Survey 2023

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News Admin Survey 2023

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Subject: News Admin Survey 2023
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 by: News Admin Survey 20 - Sun, 20 Aug 2023 10:36 UTC

NNTP server operators,

Please answer these questions (anonymously is ok).

1. How many NNTP servers do you operate?

2. How many of these are Usenet peers?

3. How many of these are private servers?

4. How many private NNTP nodes or networks do you know about?

5. Why do you operate NNTP server(s)?

6. Which NNTP server software package(s) do you operate?

7. How long ago did you first operate a NNTP server?

8. What benefit do you find with the NNTP protocol?

9. What benefit do you find with Usenet?

10. What pet peeves might you have with NNTP, Usenet, or the softwares
or protocols?

11. What features or capabilities might you wish to see added to NNTP?

12. Which newsreader software(s) do you use?

13. If any, over which privacy or anonymity networks do you run NNTP?

14. Which NNTP to web browser front end(s), if any, do you operate?

15. Please provide any information about NNTP or Usenet or related
tools and software that you consider useful, interesting, or important.

Thank you.

--
News Admin Survey 2023

Re: News Admin Survey 2023

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From: ahk...@chinet.com (Adam H. Kerman)
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: News Admin Survey 2023
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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Sun, 20 Aug 2023 14:30 UTC

News Admin Survey 2023 <survey@example.invalid> wrote:

>10. What pet peeves might you have with NNTP, Usenet, or the softwares
>or protocols?

There are these fuckheads who try to waste everybody's time by posting
seemingly serious enquiries through paganini whilst feigning anonymity.

Re: News Admin Survey 2023

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From: mo0...@posteo.de (Marco Moock)
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Subject: Re: News Admin Survey 2023
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 17:56:34 +0200
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 by: Marco Moock - Sun, 20 Aug 2023 15:56 UTC

Am 20.08.2023 um 14:30:53 Uhr schrieb Adam H. Kerman:

> News Admin Survey 2023 <survey@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >10. What pet peeves might you have with NNTP, Usenet, or the
> >softwares or protocols?
>
> There are these fuckheads who try to waste everybody's time by posting
> seemingly serious enquiries through paganini whilst feigning
> anonymity.

Is paganini still being abused by them?
Didn't the operator do something against it?

Re: News Admin Survey 2023

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From: sys...@endofthelinebbs.com (Nigel Reed)
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: News Admin Survey 2023
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 03:43:28 -0500
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 by: Nigel Reed - Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:43 UTC

On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 05:36:34 -0500
News Admin Survey 2023 <survey@example.invalid> wrote:

> NNTP server operators,
>
> Please answer these questions (anonymously is ok).
>
> 1. How many NNTP servers do you operate? 1
>
> 2. How many of these are Usenet peers? 1
>
> 3. How many of these are private servers? 0
>
> 4. How many private NNTP nodes or networks do you know about? 0
>
> 5. Why do you operate NNTP server(s)? Will be for my BBS users and to
provide peering

>
> 6. Which NNTP server software package(s) do you operate? inn
>
> 7. How long ago did you first operate a NNTP server? 20? maybe then
took a long break
>
> 8. What benefit do you find with the NNTP protocol? It just works
with minimal configuration
>
> 9. What benefit do you find with Usenet? A lot of knowledgable people
>
> 10. What pet peeves might you have with NNTP, Usenet, or the softwares
> or protocols? Abundance of spam
>
> 11. What features or capabilities might you wish to see added to
NNTP? more integrated way to block spam. Being able to "dry run" spam
rules without losing articles. Easy way to usenet admins to contribute
to a global spam blacklist.
>
> 12. Which newsreader software(s) do you use? tin, slrn, claws-mail
>
> 13. If any, over which privacy or anonymity networks do you run NNTP? 0
>
> 14. Which NNTP to web browser front end(s), if any, do you operate?
n/a
>
> 15. Please provide any information about NNTP or Usenet or related
> tools and software that you consider useful, interesting, or
> important. cleanfeed since it seems to be the only way to block spam.

>
> Thank you.
>

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End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23

Re: News Admin Survey 2023

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 by: News Admin Survey 20 - Sun, 27 Aug 2023 11:13 UTC

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 03:43:28 -0500
Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

<snip>

Thanks for your response.

--
News Admin Survey 2023

Re: News Admin Survey 2023

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Subject: Re: News Admin Survey 2023
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 by: Seamus Coleman - Sun, 27 Aug 2023 20:30 UTC

On 20/08/2023 15:30, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> News Admin Survey 2023 <survey@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> 10. What pet peeves might you have with NNTP, Usenet, or the softwares
>> or protocols?
> There are these fuckheads

There are also users who use bad language on public newsgroups.

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Sun, 27 Aug 2023 22:18 UTC

Seamus Coleman <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>On 20/08/2023 15:30, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>News Admin Survey 2023 <survey@example.invalid> wrote:

>>>10. What pet peeves might you have with NNTP, Usenet, or the softwares
>>>or protocols?

>>There are these fuckheads

>There are also users who use bad language on public newsgroups.

Still have no ability to use that kill file, huh.

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 by: Seamus Coleman - Sun, 27 Aug 2023 22:59 UTC

On 20/08/2023 15:30, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> News Admin Survey 2023 <survey@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> 10. What pet peeves might you have with NNTP, Usenet, or the softwares
>> or protocols?
> There are these fuckheads who try to waste everybody's time by posting
> seemingly serious enquiries through paganini whilst feigning anonymity.

"Still have no ability to use that kill file, huh."

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Mon, 28 Aug 2023 01:02 UTC

Seamus Coleman <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>On 20/08/2023 15:30, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>News Admin Survey 2023 <survey@example.invalid> wrote:

>>>10. What pet peeves might you have with NNTP, Usenet, or the softwares
>>>or protocols?

>>There are these fuckheads who try to waste everybody's time by posting
>>seemingly serious enquiries through paganini whilst feigning anonymity.

>"Still have no ability to use that kill file, huh."

How pathetic do you have to be to pretend to be anonymous? You aren't
even the real seamus. It's sad.

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 by: Adam W. - Wed, 13 Sep 2023 14:07 UTC

News Admin Survey 2023 <survey@example.invalid> wrote:

> NNTP server operators,
>
> Please answer these questions (anonymously is ok).

Where will you use results of this survey?

Anyway, here are my answers (nothing secret).

> 1. How many NNTP servers do you operate?

One.

> 2. How many of these are Usenet peers?

One.

> 3. How many of these are private servers?

Zero, but I have an unfeeded, local hierarchy.

> 4. How many private NNTP nodes or networks do you know about?

A few.

> 5. Why do you operate NNTP server(s)?

To keep the Usenet running and accessible, mainly to users in my country
(Poland). My server started as a small project for me and my friends and
now, after more and more servers are closing down, it's the most popular
one in Poland (I have daily stats).

> 6. Which NNTP server software package(s) do you operate?

inn

> 7. How long ago did you first operate a NNTP server?

Around 2001-2002.

> 8. What benefit do you find with the NNTP protocol?

Just a simple protocol to do what it's supposed to be doing.

> 9. What benefit do you find with Usenet?

Proper threading, no censorship, very convenient newsreaders, smarter than
average users.

> 10. What pet peeves might you have with NNTP, Usenet, or the softwares
> or protocols?

There's no good support for embedded binaries. There's MIME, but it's not
a good etiquette to post it, it's removed by filters and article limits,
and some newsreaders can't handle it. The protocol isn't inherently
text-only (and there are binary groups), but most groups and
configurations generally are. Which made perfect sense 25 years ago.

> 11. What features or capabilities might you wish to see added to NNTP?

I can't think of any. Maybe better search.

> 12. Which newsreader software(s) do you use?

tin

> 13. If any, over which privacy or anonymity networks do you run NNTP?

None, my server is not anonymous and was never meant to be.

> 14. Which NNTP to web browser front end(s), if any, do you operate?

None, there's no need to. I only have a convenient way on my www to get
article via message-id from my server.

> 15. Please provide any information about NNTP or Usenet or related
> tools and software that you consider useful, interesting, or important.

Not applicable, I think.

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 by: News Admin Survey 20 - Wed, 13 Sep 2023 20:02 UTC

On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 14:07:19 -0000 (UTC)
gof-cut-this-news@cut-this-chmurka.net.invalid (Adam W.) wrote:

> News Admin Survey 2023 <survey@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > NNTP server operators,
> >
> > Please answer these questions (anonymously is ok).
>
> Where will you use results of this survey?

I am evaluating information for developing tools and software.

Thanks for your response.

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