середа, 30 жовтня 2019 р. о 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv пише:
> On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:52:41 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> >
> > >On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> > >
> > >> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
> > >> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
> > >> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
> > >> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
> > >
> > >IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> > >(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
> > >
> > >I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
> >
> > I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
> > data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
> > entering at speed except for the occasional times.
> the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
> part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
> don't think about it.
>
> /BAH

Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any topic. Recently, I took <a href="https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html">sun images</a> from there and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.

On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
> середа, 30 жовтня 2019 р. о 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv пише:
>> On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:52:41 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> > On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>> > >> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>> > >> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>> > >> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>> > >
>> > >IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
>> > >(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
>> > >
>> > >I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
>> >
>> > I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
>> > data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
>> > entering at speed except for the occasional times.
>> the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
>> part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
>> don't think about it.
>>
>> /BAH
>
>
> Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any topic. Recently, I took <a href="https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html">sun images</a> from there and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.

/BAH returns?

--
greymausg@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?

2023-03-16, maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
^^^^

[Schnipp]

>>> /BAH

> /BAH returns?

No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.

--
"There's an eyeball in my Martini"

Jan v/d Broek balglaas@sdf.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balglaas@sdf.org> wrote:
> 2023-03-16, maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
> ^^^^
>
> [Schnipp]
>
>>>> /BAH
>
>> /BAH returns?
>
> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>

Google groups, more than gmail.

--
greymausg@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?

On 16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT, maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:
>On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balglaas@sdf.org> wrote:
>> 2023-03-16, maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>> ^^^^
>>
>> [Schnipp]
>>
>>>>> /BAH
>>
>>> /BAH returns?
>>
>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>
>
>Google groups, more than gmail.

Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.
--
Jim

> Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
> holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
> pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.

https://www.boredpanda.com/soldering-iron-stock-image-fails/

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:17:30 +0000, drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis
Boone) wrote:

I wrote:
> > Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
> > holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
> > pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.
>
>https://www.boredpanda.com/soldering-iron-stock-image-fails/

Yup, those are the ones.
--
Jim

maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>> середа, 30 жовтня 2019 р. о 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv пише:
>>> On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:52:41 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>>>>>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>>>>>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>>>>>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
>>>>> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
>>>>
>>>> I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
>>>> data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
>>>> entering at speed except for the occasional times.
>>> the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
>>> part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
>>> don't think about it.
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>>
>> Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply
>> not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and
>> on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any
>> topic. Recently, I took <a
>> href="https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html">sun images</a>
>> from there and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.
>
>
> /BAH returns?
>
>

2019

--
Pete

D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT, maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balglaas@sdf.org> wrote:
>>> 2023-03-16, maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
>>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>>> ^^^^
>>>
>>> [Schnipp]
>>>
>>>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>>> /BAH returns?
>>>
>>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>>
>>
>> Google groups, more than gmail.
>
> Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
> holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
> pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.

BTDT

--
Pete

16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT
maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
>On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balglaas@sdf.org> wrote:
>> 2023-03-16, maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>> ^^^^
>>
>> [Schnipp]
>>
>>>>> /BAH
>>
>>> /BAH returns?
>>
>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>
>
>Google groups, more than gmail.

You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.
--
Jan van den Broek balglaas@xs4all.nl

Entertaining Quakers since 2005

Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> wrote:

[...]

> >> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
> >
> >Google groups, more than gmail.
>
> You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.

A sweeping generalisation, how nice.

--
^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

<https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:

--***********

What's up with your clock?

It is this header you put:

Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

> 16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT
> maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
>> On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balglaas@sdf.org> wrote:
>>> 2023-03-16, maus <maus@mail.com> schrieb:
>>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnostyled@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>>> ^^^^
>>>
>>> [Schnipp]
>>>
>>>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>>> /BAH returns?
>>>
>>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>>
>>
>> Google groups, more than gmail.
>
> You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>
>--***********
>
>What's up with your clock?
>
>It is this header you put:
>
>Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

That means that the data used to generate that time
had a value of 32400, which probably means the feature
isn't supported by his MUA or his MUA is misconfigured.

$ date --date='@32400'
Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 PST 1970
$

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>>On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>
>>--***********
>>
>>What's up with your clock?
>>
>>It is this header you put:
>>
>>Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
headers of posts.

> That means that the data used to generate that time
> had a value of 32400, which probably means the feature
> isn't supported by his MUA or his MUA is misconfigured.
>
> $ date --date='@32400'
> Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 PST 1970
> $

Or his clock runs a 16-bit (unsigned) counter.

~$ date --date='@65535'
Thu Jan 1 13:12:15 EST 1970

;-)
--
Andreas

On 2023-03-19 18:11, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>>> On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>
>>> --***********
>>>
>>> What's up with your clock?
>>>
>>> It is this header you put:
>>>
>>> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>
> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
> headers of posts.

Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
1970, it is visible in the display panel. So I looked inside, and saw:

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo
Organization: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Hobby Boeddhisten

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET
Message-ID: <jfi.64162737.42.fortytwo@xs4all.nl>
X-No-Ahbou: yes
X-Timestamp: 64162737
X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
X-mas: in 282 days.
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
X-Order: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please.
X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays.
X-Answer: 42
X-Message-Flag: Your mailbox is corrupt. Upgrade your mail software.

All those are headers he created on purpose.

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Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100
Injection-Info: news.kpn.nl; mail-complaints-to="abuse@kpn.com"
X-Received-Bytes: 2044
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--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
>> headers of posts.
>
> Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
> 1970, it is visible in the display panel. So I looked inside, and saw:
>
> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00

Indeed, what are you even meant to do with a Reply-By: header on usenet?

<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1327#section-5.3.4>

Thankfully its a long time since I had to think about X.400

2023-03-19, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> schrieb:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>>>On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>
>>>--***********
>>>
>>>What's up with your clock?
>>>
>>>It is this header you put:
>>>
>>>Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>
> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
> headers of posts.

I'm using this header for years (twenty or so), it's is the first time
someone mentioned noticing this.
--
"There's an eyeball in my Martini"

Jan v/d Broek balglaas@sdf.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

On 2023-03-20 08:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
> 2023-03-19, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> schrieb:
>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>>>> On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --***********
>>>>
>>>> What's up with your clock?
>>>>
>>>> It is this header you put:
>>>>
>>>> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>>
>> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
>> headers of posts.
>
> I'm using this header for years (twenty or so), it's is the first time
> someone mentioned noticing this.

Look at the quote header line above, in which it says «On 1970-01-01
01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote». I notice when things break.

This post shows the correct date.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> This post shows the correct date.

The *DATE:* header shows 2023
it's the (more or less spurious) *REPLY-BY:* header that shows 1970

On 2023-03-20 11:04, Andy Burns wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> This post shows the correct date.
>
> The *DATE:* header shows 2023
> it's the (more or less spurious) *REPLY-BY:* header that shows 1970

Yes, but I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts
displays the date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's
the problem.

The one that is correct shows:

User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Patched for libcanlock3) (NetBSD)

The incorrect one shows:

X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts
> displays the date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's
> the problem.

Well, none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 21:28:03 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>On 2023-03-19 18:11, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>>>> On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --***********
>>>>
>>>> What's up with your clock?
>>>>
>>>> It is this header you put:
>>>>
>>>> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>>
>> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
>> headers of posts.
>
>Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
>1970, it is visible in the display panel. So I looked inside, and saw:
>
>
>Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
>From: Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo
>Organization: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Hobby Boeddhisten
>
>Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET
>Message-ID: <jfi.64162737.42.fortytwo@xs4all.nl>
>X-No-Ahbou: yes
>X-Timestamp: 64162737
>X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
>X-mas: in 282 days.
>Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>X-Order: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please.
>X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
>X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays.
>X-Answer: 42
>X-Message-Flag: Your mailbox is corrupt. Upgrade your mail software.
>
>All those are headers he created on purpose.

And I have a silly organization line.
--
Jim

On 20/03/2023 13:44, Andy Burns wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts displays the
>> date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's the problem.
>
> Well, none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)
>
I see one

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo
Organization: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Hobby Boeddhisten
References: <jfi.5DAF69DB.42.fortytwo@xs4all.nl>
<qop8k4$8cf$1@dont-email.me>
<1582176285.593550455.962387.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
<cb44992c-629b-4a60-bfe7-f8c8f28f1e6f@googlegroups.com>
<al34retrh69ib1rjbfmi3jcuvae2hq1tk8@4ax.com>
<37a7cdb2-a043-4b12-bd55-8bbcdce6cafb@googlegroups.com>
<ec82185f-3e24-41c0-8bb2-e7d6af6da367n@googlegroups.com>
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<k7g5bsF9qq2U1@mid.individual.net>
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X-Timestamp: 64162737
X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
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X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
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But I can't see why that one in particular comes out on that date.

I do note it says his time zone is CET which might explain the 01:00.

Andy

Vir Campestris wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)
>
> I see one
> But I can't see why that one in particular comes out on that date.
> I do note it says his time zone is CET which might explain the 01:00.

do you see more than these 6 messages from him?

<http://andyburns.uk/misc/vandenbroek.png>

On 2023-03-20 14:44, Andy Burns wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts displays the
>> date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's the problem.
>
> Well, none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)
>

https://paste.opensuse.org/5aa799ecc9a0

--
Cheers, Carlos.