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* VNC, No Matching Security TypesJon Pennington
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|  `* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesThe Natural Philosopher
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|       | +* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesThe Natural Philosopher
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|       | | | `* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesThe Natural Philosopher
|       | | |  `- Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesRichard Falken
|       | | +* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesMartin Gregorie
|       | | |`- Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesAndy Burns
|       | | `* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesCharlie Gibbs
|       | |  +- Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesAhem A Rivet's Shot
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|       | |  |`* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesThe Natural Philosopher
|       | |  | `- Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesMartin Gregorie
|       | |  `* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesDavid Higton
|       | |   +- Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesCharlie Gibbs
|       | |   `* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesThe Natural Philosopher
|       | |    `* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesAhem A Rivet's Shot
|       | |     +- Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesMartin Gregorie
|       | |     `- Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesMartin Gregorie
|       | `- Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types56g.1173
|       `* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesThe Natural Philosopher
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|          `- Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types56g.1173
`* Re: VNC, No Matching Security TypesKnute Johnson
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From: nospam.R...@f1.n770.z13595.fidonet.org (Richard Falken)
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Subject: Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:15:24 +1300
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 by: Richard Falken - Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:15 UTC

Re: Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types
By: 56g.1173 to Richard Falken on Tue Nov 28 2023 10:43 pm

> Then your "stove" is an open fire (so long as
> there's wood) or maybe an old metal oil drum
> with dried whatever in it. Electricity IS a
> luxury ... most forget that it's only been
> "widespread" for less than 100 years and
> requires a lot of industry to KEEP it going.
> The "rural USA" wasn't "electrified" until
> the latter 1930s, parts of Europe even later.

Really, my "stove" in this case is just a fireplace insert with a door you can
close to have the fire enclosed. It has knobs for controlling the oxygen intake
and the draft.

If you need to cook you can let the fire come down to ambers amd then put a
pan, a grill or a pot on it. Since the fire is enclosed, temperature raises
quite fast. In fact its main drawback, after the high maintenance of the setup,
is that there is not much margin of error because you will burn your food in
the blink of an eye if you don't pay attention.

I actually have an electric cooktop in the kitchen, mind you, and I produce my
own electricity. In winter, however, I will use the fireplace in order to spare
the solar batteries the stress, and because the fireplace will be alight
anyway.

--
gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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Subject: Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:49 UTC

On 28/11/2023 04:07, Richard Falken wrote:
> Re: Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types
> By: Stephen Pelc to All on Tue Nov 28 2023 09:49 pm
>
> > Where I live in the campo of Murcia, most people use bottled gas for cooking
> > as
> > it is much cheaper (per thermal unit) than electricity.
> >
>
> That's new to me. Everybody around me uses vitroceramics with the exception of
> old people clinging to old gas equipment, and rural northerns using some wood
> stove (ie. Cocinas bilvaínas)
>
> Meybe people around me is just weird :-P
>
It is very regional.

You tend to use whatever is cheap. For the first time in years I can
smell bituminous coal being burnt in open fireplaces.

Because electricity is very expensive and so are gas and oil. And the
price of burnable wood is way up too.

And people have to keep warm.

As far as cooking goes the vast majority here is gas or electric.

Probably as a 50-50 mix. Nearly all ovens are electric. Only gas hobs
are fitted these days.

--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:50 UTC

On 28/11/2023 04:07, Richard Falken wrote:
> Re: Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types
> By: Stephen Pelc to All on Tue Nov 28 2023 09:49 pm
>
> > Where I live in the campo of Murcia, most people use bottled gas for cooking
> > as
> > it is much cheaper (per thermal unit) than electricity.
> >
>
> That's new to me. Everybody around me uses vitroceramics with the exception of
> old people clinging to old gas equipment, and rural northerns using some wood
> stove (ie. Cocinas bilvaínas)
>
> Meybe people around me is just weird :-P
>
It is very regional.

You tend to use whatever is cheap. For the first time in years I can
smell bituminous coal being burnt in open fireplaces.

Because electricity is very expensive and so are gas and oil. And the
price of burnable wood is way up too.

And people have to keep warm.

As far as cooking goes the vast majority here is gas or electric.

Probably as a 50-50 mix. Nearly all ovens are electric. Only gas hobs
are fitted these days.

--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:56 UTC

On 28/11/2023 22:21, David Higton wrote:
> More recently I learned that cooking with gas produces nitrogen dioxide
> in the house at levels that would be illegal outside! It never occurred
> to me before, but it's bleedin' obvious that a blue gas flame in air is
> going to be at temperatures that inevitably produce nitrogen dioxide.

Not only that, but modern airproof insulation has house internal CO2
levels in a range that would make any climate alarmist run screaming for
tranquillizers.

Nitrogen dioxide isn't as bad as its cracked up to be. Like all of these
latter day 'pollutants' its a convenient way to sell newer tech and tax
the public more and increase government control.

The most serious pollution comes from the mass media and government itself.

--
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:41 UTC

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:56:32 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Not only that, but modern airproof insulation has house internal CO2
> levels in a range that would make any climate alarmist run screaming for
> tranquillizers.

Insulating and sealing a house up without providing heat exchange
ventilation is daft.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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 by: Martin Gregorie - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:09 UTC

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:41:16 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

>
> Insulating and sealing a house up without providing heat exchange
> ventilation is daft.
>
If you want to know more about designing and building energy-efficient
houses, you can do a lot worse than getting a copy of

"The Autonomous House" by Brenda and Robert Vale.

Much of its content is still relevant even though its most recent edition
was published in 1975 while or just after they graduated from Cambridge.

I've used it to work out whether I could power and heat my house from
solar cells and and a solar roof: calculations used methods from the book
showed that it could work apart from hot water in the coldest three months
of winter, but the fact that my town council owns a row of rather large
oaks just beyond the northern side of my garden and, as its a major effort
to get them to do anything to those trees to prevent them shading my
garden, let alone any part of the roof, I gave up on solar energy.

--

Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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 by: Martin Gregorie - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:09 UTC

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:41:16 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

>
> Insulating and sealing a house up without providing heat exchange
> ventilation is daft.
>
If you want to know more about designing and building energy-efficient
houses, you can do a lot worse than getting a copy of

"The Autonomous House" by Brenda and Robert Vale.

Much of its content is still relevant even though its most recent edition
was published in 1975 while or just after they graduated from Cambridge.

I've used it to work out whether I could power and heat my house from
solar cells and and a solar roof: calculations used methods from the book
showed that it could work apart from hot water in the coldest three months
of winter, but the fact that my town council owns a row of rather large
oaks just beyond the northern side of my garden and, as its a major effort
to get them to do anything to those trees to prevent them shading my
garden, let alone any part of the roof, I gave up on solar energy.

--

Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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 by: 56g.1173 - Thu, 30 Nov 2023 04:43 UTC

On 11/28/23 8:15 AM, Richard Falken wrote:
> Re: Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types
> By: 56g.1173 to Richard Falken on Tue Nov 28 2023 10:43 pm
>
> > Then your "stove" is an open fire (so long as
> > there's wood) or maybe an old metal oil drum
> > with dried whatever in it. Electricity IS a
> > luxury ... most forget that it's only been
> > "widespread" for less than 100 years and
> > requires a lot of industry to KEEP it going.
> > The "rural USA" wasn't "electrified" until
> > the latter 1930s, parts of Europe even later.
>
> Really, my "stove" in this case is just a fireplace insert with a door you can
> close to have the fire enclosed. It has knobs for controlling the oxygen intake
> and the draft.
>
> If you need to cook you can let the fire come down to ambers amd then put a
> pan, a grill or a pot on it. Since the fire is enclosed, temperature raises
> quite fast. In fact its main drawback, after the high maintenance of the setup,
> is that there is not much margin of error because you will burn your food in
> the blink of an eye if you don't pay attention.
>
> I actually have an electric cooktop in the kitchen, mind you, and I produce my
> own electricity. In winter, however, I will use the fireplace in order to spare
> the solar batteries the stress, and because the fireplace will be alight
> anyway.
>
> --
> gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

Do look into the olde-tyme "Franklin Stove". Not "perfect"
but simple, versatile and very robust. Add radiator fins
to the exhaust duct and you can recover extra heat.

I've seen cast-iron versions STILL being useful after
about 200 years. Stainless steel might last 500.

Now ... how to control/monitor a Franklin stove with
a Pi ? :-)

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 by: Richard Falken - Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:52 UTC

Re: Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types
By: 56g.1173 to Richard Falken on Wed Nov 29 2023 11:43 pm

> Do look into the olde-tyme "Franklin Stove". Not "perfect"
> but simple, versatile and very robust. Add radiator fins
> to the exhaust duct and you can recover extra heat.
>

That one looks great, but it also has to be hard to get started if the chimney
is cold.

THerefore I suggest adding an electric resistence controlled by a raspberry pi
in order to pre-heat the chimney before the actual fire is started.

--
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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Fri, 1 Dec 2023 00:09 UTC

On 2023-11-30, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:

> Do look into the olde-tyme "Franklin Stove". Not "perfect"
> but simple, versatile and very robust. Add radiator fins
> to the exhaust duct and you can recover extra heat.
>
> I've seen cast-iron versions STILL being useful after
> about 200 years. Stainless steel might last 500.
>
> Now ... how to control/monitor a Franklin stove with
> a Pi ? :-)

Look on the bright side - nobody can hack your stove
and hold your heat for ransom. Or bleed you monthly
with that newfangled HaaS (heat as a service) paradigm.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana

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 by: 56g.1173 - Fri, 1 Dec 2023 02:38 UTC

On 11/29/23 12:52 PM, Richard Falken wrote:
> Re: Re: VNC, No Matching Security Types
> By: 56g.1173 to Richard Falken on Wed Nov 29 2023 11:43 pm
>
> > Do look into the olde-tyme "Franklin Stove". Not "perfect"
> > but simple, versatile and very robust. Add radiator fins
> > to the exhaust duct and you can recover extra heat.
> >
>
> That one looks great, but it also has to be hard to get started if the chimney
> is cold.

I believe the accepted way is to put little wad of
extra-burney material (cotton/old linen/paper) on
top near the chimney pipe inlet. That gets a draft
started and has relatively clean smoke - and then
the rest of the fuel ignites.

Franklin and Pot-Belly stoves are quite fuel-
efficient and have a nice flat top where you
can cook things. The cast iron construction
retains heat, so you can let the fire safely
go out overnight and still keep a room warm.
The downside is that you have a really hot
chunk of metal where people, esp kids, can bump
up against it. Safety mods are possible though.

> THerefore I suggest adding an electric resistence controlled by a raspberry pi
> in order to pre-heat the chimney before the actual fire is started.

Hmm ... automated fuel delivery ? Servo to push more
wood/coal/whatever in when a cool-off is detected ?
Input airflow modulation ?

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 by: 56g.1173 - Fri, 1 Dec 2023 03:01 UTC

On 11/30/23 7:09 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-11-30, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
>
>> Do look into the olde-tyme "Franklin Stove". Not "perfect"
>> but simple, versatile and very robust. Add radiator fins
>> to the exhaust duct and you can recover extra heat.
>>
>> I've seen cast-iron versions STILL being useful after
>> about 200 years. Stainless steel might last 500.
>>
>> Now ... how to control/monitor a Franklin stove with
>> a Pi ? :-)
>
> Look on the bright side - nobody can hack your stove
> and hold your heat for ransom. Or bleed you monthly
> with that newfangled HaaS (heat as a service) paradigm.

Careful, they'll start charging for CO2/ash production -
and have aerial/sat maps of where it's is coming from :-)
If a tech CAN be used to rip you off .........

Drones with multi-spectral sensors see ALL.

Now how could a Pi help disguise your waste signature ?

There's also a potential FUEL problem depending on where
you are. A larger city isn't going to have enough wood
for everyone - maybe hardly anyone - and it's worse in
areas with few trees to begin with. I was looking at
sats of Idaho the other day ... mostly just dry kinda
yellow dirt and rock unless you're right next to a
river. Huge areas where there's nothing and nobody.

Oh, check the suburban development model in Idaho ...
most of the cities are 'grey' - and zooming in you
see they are windey suburbs TIGHTLY packed-in with
barely an inch between the standard-sized houses.
Awful !

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Fri, 1 Dec 2023 08:59 UTC

On 01/12/2023 02:38, 56g.1173 wrote:

>   Hmm ... automated fuel delivery ? Servo to push more
>   wood/coal/whatever in when a cool-off is detected ?
>   Input airflow modulation ?

My Aga has exactly that. There are two paraffin flow rates. A mains
powered LV thermostat heats a wax capsule that expands and selects low
fuel rate when the oven is up to the selected temperature.

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