There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

On 01/12/2023 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:
> There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
> the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
> no actual Pi5's yet.

It has been a massively popular brute.

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higher education positively fortifies it."

- Stephen Vizinczey

56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
> There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
> the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
> no actual Pi5's yet.

Raspberry Pi Ltd don't sell on Amazon, so any supply there is from
unauthorised resellers, aka scalpers.

https://rpilocator.com/?cat=PI5
shows who has stock in which regions.

Theo

On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:
> There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
> the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
> no actual Pi5's yet.

If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.

I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
USB charger.

None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.

On 12/1/23 4:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/12/2023 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:
>> There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
>> the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
>> no actual Pi5's yet.
>
> It has been a massively popular brute.

Long wait.

On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:
> On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:
>> There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
>> the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
>> no actual Pi5's yet.
>
> If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.
>
It seems every Pi has a different power connector.

4B tripped me up with USB 'C' which is different from Zero and Pico.

> I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
> standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
> USB charger.
>
> None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.
>
I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...

At least 4 standards exist.

>

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kind word alone.

Al Capone

On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:51:48 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...
>
> At least 4 standards exist.

It's multi-dimensional. There are standards for the connectors and
wiring labelled with letters A, B, C and micro (also non-standard ones
labelled mini), then there are standards for the data labelled with numbers
1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 etc. and finally there are standards (some
de-facto) and non-standards for power delivery with names of ever
increasing length culminating in (so far) "USB Power Delivery Programmable
Power Supply" with its cable warming 240 watt rating.

Not all combinations are possible and fewer are permitted by the
standards but there is still plenty of room for diversity.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 02/12/2023 11:25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:51:48 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...
>>
>> At least 4 standards exist.
>
> It's multi-dimensional. There are standards for the connectors and
> wiring labelled with letters A, B, C and micro (also non-standard ones
> labelled mini), then there are standards for the data labelled with numbers
> 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 etc. and finally there are standards (some
> de-facto) and non-standards for power delivery with names of ever
> increasing length culminating in (so far) "USB Power Delivery Programmable
> Power Supply" with its cable warming 240 watt rating.
>
> Not all combinations are possible and fewer are permitted by the
> standards but there is still plenty of room for diversity.
>
IOW what we call here 'a right buggers muddle'

--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
> On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:
> > There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
> > the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
> > no actual Pi5's yet.
>
> If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.
>
> I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
> standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
> USB charger.
>
> None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.
>
Very often it's down to the USB cable you use, many/most are simply
not up to carrying the current (especially at start-up) that RPis
need. I have two Pi 4s and they are fairly fussy (not as fussy as a 5
of course) and they will run on 2.5 amp USB outlets but only with a
good, preferably short, USB cable.

Also, of course, a USB 1 or 2 outlet has a maximum specified current
output of only 500mA and even USB 3 is only supposed to be 900mA.
Many outlets can supply more but on the other hand USB sockets on
laptops and such are often only capable of the USB standard current
outputs.

--
Chris Green
·

On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 11:40:56 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 02/12/2023 11:25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:51:48 +0000
> > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...
> >>
> > Not all combinations are possible and fewer are permitted by the
> > standards but there is still plenty of room for diversity.
> >
> IOW what we call here 'a right buggers muddle'

That pretty much sums it up - all things considered it's surprising
how often it gets the job done.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>>     It's multi-dimensional. There are standards for the connectors and
>> wiring labelled with letters A, B, C and micro (also non-standard ones
>> labelled mini), then there are standards for the data labelled with
>> numbers
>> 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 etc. and finally there are standards (some
>> de-facto) and non-standards for power delivery with names of ever
>> increasing length culminating in (so far) "USB Power Delivery
>> Programmable
>> Power Supply" with its cable warming 240 watt rating.
>>
>>     Not all combinations are possible and fewer are permitted by the
>> standards but there is still plenty of room for diversity.
>>
> IOW what we call here 'a right buggers muddle'

I don't think USB mini was "unofficial", they were quite quickly
replaced by USB micro though, so it was the cheap cable that would
wear/break rather than the port on the expensive device.

A few weird and wonderful non-standard connectors did exist, typically
on cameras.

On 02/12/2023 11:47, Chris Green wrote:
> Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>> On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:
>>> There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
>>> the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
>>> no actual Pi5's yet.
>>
>> If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.
>>
>> I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
>> standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
>> USB charger.
>>
>> None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.
>>
> Very often it's down to the USB cable you use, many/most are simply
> not up to carrying the current (especially at start-up) that RPis
> need. I have two Pi 4s and they are fairly fussy (not as fussy as a 5
> of course) and they will run on 2.5 amp USB outlets but only with a
> good, preferably short, USB cable.
>
> Also, of course, a USB 1 or 2 outlet has a maximum specified current
> output of only 500mA and even USB 3 is only supposed to be 900mA.
> Many outlets can supply more but on the other hand USB sockets on
> laptops and such are often only capable of the USB standard current
> outputs.
>

I have 20 watt USB plugs, that is:

5V=3A
9V=2.2A
12V=1.67A

The trick being the USB standard expects higher power devices to boost
the voltage, that is how fast phone chargers work. However, the rPi5
expects 27W at 5.1V, not at a higher voltage.

The net result is that my rPi5 runs, but shuts down after a few minutes.
Loads of undervoltage errors. Strangely, Pi OS seems to stay up better
than Ubuntu, but I haven't checked that rigorously. It also runs hot,
which the Orange Pi 5 does not.

So I'm waiting for an official PSU.

On 02/12/2023 12:58, Andy Burns wrote:

>
> A few weird and wonderful non-standard connectors did exist, typically
> on cameras.
>
>
>

Yes. I have a Panasonic Lumix that has such a socket. At the time I
bought it, a cheap and nasty USB micro-B cable could be had for £1.00.
It would work but would not TX data fast nor pass a decent charging
current, but would work. Or for £2.99 you could buy a nice USB micro-B
that would charge at the full current (2A) and your data would fair fly
across.

Panasonic wanted £59.99 for the cable. Fuck 'em and the horse they rode
in on! They did provide a battery charging dock so the cable wasn't needed.

Having just punted for a new phone I'm now having to switch to USB-C
cables. I've managed to acquire over 30 USB micro-B cables over the last
11 years.

mm0fmf wrote:

> Having just punted for a new phone I'm now having to switch to USB-C
> cables. I've managed to acquire over 30 USB micro-B cables over the last
> 11 years.

I started moving to type-C devices in 2015, with a Nokia N1 tablet. All
my 'daily' devices (laptops, phones, mice, keyboards, dock, chargers)
are now type C.

I have a handful of 'specialised' devices that are still mini/micro
type-B but not worth junking just for the hell of it.

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:
>> On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:
>>> There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
>>> the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
>>> no actual Pi5's yet.
>>
>> If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.
>>
> It seems every Pi has a different power connector.
>
> 4B tripped me up with USB 'C' which is different from Zero and Pico.

Being bare boards, I find the power connector problem easy to solve
for the Pis. For my Pi Zeros I snip a USB-A extension cable in half
and solder the wires up to the test pads under the Micro USB
connectors. Then I can just use USB plugpacks and devices directly,
with none of this connector nonsense. I cable-tie the cables to one
of the mounting holes on the PCB, which works well for strain
relief.

Still, now with USB-C they're introducing some intelligent cables
that electronically tell the host what their power capacity is,
thereby defying such attempts at simple DIY solutions. The future
looks bleak.

>> I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
>> standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
>> USB charger.
>>
>> None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.
>>
> I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...
>
> At least 4 standards exist.

They seem to have stopped trying for compatibility in preference
for doing all things for all men. Give it twenty years and plumbers
will by carrying around USB Type-P adapter kits in order to fix a
leaky pipe. :)

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On 02/12/2023 16:17, Andy Burns wrote:
> mm0fmf wrote:
>
>> Having just punted for a new phone I'm now having to switch to USB-C
>> cables. I've managed to acquire over 30 USB micro-B cables over the
>> last 11 years.
>
> I started moving to type-C devices in 2015, with a Nokia N1 tablet. All
> my 'daily' devices (laptops, phones, mice, keyboards, dock, chargers)
> are now type C.
>
> I have a handful of 'specialised' devices that are still mini/micro
> type-B but not worth junking just for the hell of it.
I was surprised just how long it's been till I ended up with USB C on
anything. There's USB 3.0 A on this desktop, USB 3.0 A on my Linux
desktop, USB 3.0 A on my old laptop and USB 3.1 Gen1 A on my new laptop
with 1 USB C with Thunderbolt. I've plenty of USB disk caddies that have
USB 3.0 B or USB 3.0 micro B. But only 1 device with a C that arrived on
Monday. It had a USB A to C in the box. I've not checked it does
anything other than charge the phone though!

That's the great thing with standards... so many to choose from !

On 2023-12-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:
>> On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:
>>> There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
>>> the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
>>> no actual Pi5's yet.
>>
>> If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.
>>
> It seems every Pi has a different power connector.
>
> 4B tripped me up with USB 'C' which is different from Zero and Pico.
>
>
>> I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
>> standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
>> USB charger.
>>
>> None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.
>>
> I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...
>
> At least 4 standards exist.

Can anyone guess which XKCD cartoon this is? :-)

https://xkcd.com/927/

HTH

--
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spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On 3 Dec 2023 03:41:40 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:

> Can anyone guess which XKCD cartoon this is? :-)
>
> https://xkcd.com/927/
>
>
No, so I peeked - Spot On.

--

Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 13:25:38 +0000, Pancho
<Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:

> The trick being the USB standard expects higher power devices to boost
> the voltage, that is how fast phone chargers work. However, the rPi5
> expects 27W at 5.1V, not at a higher voltage.

Exactly, a phone charger is a totally different beast than a 5V
Power Supply Unit.
--
Kees Nuyt

On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:
> I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
> standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
> USB charger.

Unless you need a lot of power for PCIe or USB devices, the Raspberry Pi
4B's 3A charger will work fine.

---druck

On 12/4/23 20:44, druck wrote:
> On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:
>> I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with
>> a standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp,
>> 5v, USB charger.
>
> Unless you need a lot of power for PCIe or USB devices, the Raspberry Pi
> 4B's 3A charger will work fine.
>

Possibly, but the rpi4 charger is non-standard too, and I don't have
one. My rpi4 runs fine on a standard charger, given I run it headless.
The rpi4 didn't like being run off one of a pair of integral USBs in the
mains wall socket, with an attached USB SSD. Not that I would push my
luck....

Anyway, today Pimoroni tell me they have dispatched me an official rpi5
charger, and cooler, by Royal Mail/Next Day delivery. So maybe I will
get it before new year.

On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:44:35 +0000, druck <news@druck.org.uk>
wrote:

> the Raspberry Pi
> 4B's 3A charger will work fine.

Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.
--
Kees Nuyt

On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 15:46:50 +0100
Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:44:35 +0000, druck <news@druck.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > the Raspberry Pi
> > 4B's 3A charger will work fine.
>
> Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.

It supports USB-PD so you can use it to charge a phone.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 16:34 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.
>
>         It supports USB-PD so you can use it to charge a phone.

I can attest to that , I've used it to keep an Apple MacBook Pro alive
when I left the power supply behind at the office!
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 17:05:21 +0000
Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:

> On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 16:34 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > > Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.
> >
> >         It supports USB-PD so you can use it to charge a phone.
>
> I can attest to that , I've used it to keep an Apple MacBook Pro alive
> when I left the power supply behind at the office!

Not so much a charger as a battery life extender?

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency