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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:13 UTC

"Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/

"In 2021, Backblaze added 40,460 hard drives and as of December 31,
2021, we had 206,928 drives under management. Of that number, there were
3,760 boot drives and 203,168 data drives. This report will focus on our
data drives. We will review the hard drive failure rates for 2021,
compare those rates to previous years, and present the lifetime failure
statistics for all the hard drive models active in our data center as of
the end of 2021. Along the way, we share our observations and insights
on the data presented and, as always, we look forward to you doing the
same in the comments section at the end of the post."

WDC drives rule baby !

Lynn

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On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 13:13:54 -0600, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
wrote:

>"Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
>
>"In 2021, Backblaze added 40,460 hard drives and as of December 31,
>2021, we had 206,928 drives under management. Of that number, there were
>3,760 boot drives and 203,168 data drives. This report will focus on our
>data drives. We will review the hard drive failure rates for 2021,
>compare those rates to previous years, and present the lifetime failure
>statistics for all the hard drive models active in our data center as of
>the end of 2021. Along the way, we share our observations and insights
>on the data presented and, as always, we look forward to you doing the
>same in the comments section at the end of the post."
>
>WDC drives rule baby !

As always, thanks for posting this info and thanks for including the
link to the complete story. It's always a great read.

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 by: Mr. Man-wai Chang - Wed, 2 Feb 2022 16:16 UTC

On 2/2/2022 3:13, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
> ,,,
> WDC drives rule baby !

You meant HGST? :)

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Thu, 3 Feb 2022 01:50 UTC

On 2/2/2022 10:16 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 3:13, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
>>      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
>> ,,,
>> WDC drives rule baby !
>
> You meant HGST? :)

They also have WDC 16 TB drives now too.

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Thu, 3 Feb 2022 01:50 UTC

On 2/1/2022 8:08 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 13:13:54 -0600, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
>> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
>>
>> "In 2021, Backblaze added 40,460 hard drives and as of December 31,
>> 2021, we had 206,928 drives under management. Of that number, there were
>> 3,760 boot drives and 203,168 data drives. This report will focus on our
>> data drives. We will review the hard drive failure rates for 2021,
>> compare those rates to previous years, and present the lifetime failure
>> statistics for all the hard drive models active in our data center as of
>> the end of 2021. Along the way, we share our observations and insights
>> on the data presented and, as always, we look forward to you doing the
>> same in the comments section at the end of the post."
>>
>> WDC drives rule baby !
>
> As always, thanks for posting this info and thanks for including the
> link to the complete story. It's always a great read.

You are welcome.

Lynn

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 by: Ant - Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:48 UTC

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 10:16 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> > On 2/2/2022 3:13, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
> >>      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
> >> ,,,
> >> WDC drives rule baby !
> >
> > You meant HGST? :)

> They also have WDC 16 TB drives now too.

Who here is getting it? ;)
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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 03:17 UTC

On 2/3/2022 12:48 PM, Ant wrote:
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/2/2022 10:16 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2022 3:13, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
>>>>      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
>>>> ,,,
>>>> WDC drives rule baby !
>>>
>>> You meant HGST? :)
>
>> They also have WDC 16 TB drives now too.
>
> Who here is getting it? ;)

Only $380 for a WD Red 16 TB ! They have 18 TB drives also.
https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-16TB-Internal-Drive/dp/B08K3VVKSW/

Lynn

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 by: Char Jackson - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 03:42 UTC

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:17:18 -0600, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 2/3/2022 12:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2022 10:16 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2022 3:13, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
>>>>>      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
>>>>> ,,,
>>>>> WDC drives rule baby !
>>>>
>>>> You meant HGST? :)
>>
>>> They also have WDC 16 TB drives now too.
>>
>> Who here is getting it? ;)
>
>Only $380 for a WD Red 16 TB ! They have 18 TB drives also.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-16TB-Internal-Drive/dp/B08K3VVKSW/

I picked up a pair of WD 14 TB drives for $199/ea just after
Thanksgiving. Storage is finally becoming affordable.

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 by: Mr. Man-wai Chang - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 13:15 UTC

On 3/2/2022 9:50, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 10:16 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>> On 2/2/2022 3:13, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
>>>      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
>>> ,,,
>>> WDC drives rule baby !
>>
>> You meant HGST? :)
>
> They also have WDC 16 TB drives now too.

I don't know how both companies share engineering stuffs....

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 by: Ant - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:19 UTC

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:17:18 -0600, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> >On 2/3/2022 12:48 PM, Ant wrote:
> >> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2/2/2022 10:16 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> >>>> On 2/2/2022 3:13, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
> >>>>>      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
> >>>>> ,,,
> >>>>> WDC drives rule baby !
> >>>>
> >>>> You meant HGST? :)
> >>
> >>> They also have WDC 16 TB drives now too.
> >>
> >> Who here is getting it? ;)
> >
> >Only $380 for a WD Red 16 TB ! They have 18 TB drives also.
> >
> >https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-16TB-Internal-Drive/dp/B08K3VVKSW/

> I picked up a pair of WD 14 TB drives for $199/ea just after
> Thanksgiving. Storage is finally becoming affordable.

When will we get affordable 14 TB SSDs? :P
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 by: Paul - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:57 UTC

On 2/4/2022 10:19 AM, Ant wrote:
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:17:18 -0600, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> On 2/3/2022 12:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/2/2022 10:16 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/2/2022 3:13, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
>>>>>>>      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
>>>>>>> ,,,
>>>>>>> WDC drives rule baby !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You meant HGST? :)
>>>>
>>>>> They also have WDC 16 TB drives now too.
>>>>
>>>> Who here is getting it? ;)
>>>
>>> Only $380 for a WD Red 16 TB ! They have 18 TB drives also.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-16TB-Internal-Drive/dp/B08K3VVKSW/
>
>> I picked up a pair of WD 14 TB drives for $199/ea just after
>> Thanksgiving. Storage is finally becoming affordable.
>
> When will we get affordable 14 TB SSDs? :P
>

If my local computer store has an 8TB SSD for $1000,
a 14TB won't be that expensive. $2000 ought to cover it.
If your computer has $40000 of RAM in it, you can
afford a $2000 SSD, right ?

Paul

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 by: Paul - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:59 UTC

On 2/4/2022 8:15 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 3/2/2022 9:50, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 2/2/2022 10:16 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2022 3:13, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein
>>>>       https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-2021/
>>>> ,,,
>>>> WDC drives rule baby !
>>>
>>> You meant HGST? :)
>>
>> They also have WDC 16 TB drives now too.
>
> I don't know how both companies share engineering stuffs....

The HGST engineers came from IBM.

They arrived in cardboard boxes.

Paul

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 by: Mr. Man-wai Chang - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 16:35 UTC

On 4/2/2022 23:59, Paul wrote:
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>> I don't know how both companies share engineering stuffs....
>
> The HGST engineers came from IBM.
>
> They arrived in cardboard boxes.

Um... B for Business.... secrets? :)

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On 2022-02-04 at 08:59:08 MST, "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> The HGST engineers came from IBM.
>
> They arrived in cardboard boxes.

And it took IBM 18 months to design the boxes.

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 by: David Lesher - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 20:31 UTC

ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

>> I picked up a pair of WD 14 TB drives for $199/ea just after
>> Thanksgiving. Storage is finally becoming affordable.

Hope they ain't shingled.

>When will we get affordable 14 TB SSDs? :P

When the fabs stop making cell phones fo a while.

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 by: Char Jackson - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 05:51 UTC

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>>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> I picked up a pair of WD 14 TB drives for $199/ea just after
>>> Thanksgiving. Storage is finally becoming affordable.
>
>Hope they ain't shingled.

When I checked, WD said they don't make a 14TB SMR drive, so no worries.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 20:42 UTC

On 4/3/2022 12:51 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
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> wrote:
>
>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> I picked up a pair of WD 14 TB drives for $199/ea just after
>>>> Thanksgiving. Storage is finally becoming affordable.
>>
>> Hope they ain't shingled.
>
> When I checked, WD said they don't make a 14TB SMR drive, so no worries.

Isn't the biggest SMR drive 6 TB ?

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Re: "Backblaze Drive Stats for 2021" by Andy Klein

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 by: Char Jackson - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 04:53 UTC

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:42:15 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/3/2022 12:51 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 20:31:13 -0000 (UTC), David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I picked up a pair of WD 14 TB drives for $199/ea just after
>>>>> Thanksgiving. Storage is finally becoming affordable.
>>>
>>> Hope they ain't shingled.
>>
>> When I checked, WD said they don't make a 14TB SMR drive, so no worries.
>
>Isn't the biggest SMR drive 6 TB ?

That's my understanding. I may have used this pdf doc but when I looked
just now, I see that there are other WD resources that say the same
thing. The Note at the bottom indicates that these are all of the SMR
drives, noting that all other drives are CMR.

https://blog.westerndigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/WD_SMR_SKUs_vDS.pdf

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