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From: bnl...@nowhere.com (Björn Lundin)
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Subject: Re: Limiting the capacity of SD cards for the pi
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 by: Björn Lundin - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 19:33 UTC

On 2023-10-05 17:23, scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <32gTM.5$w4ec.4@fx14.iad>,
>> <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
>>> Of all the Linux systems I run, I think only two of them have Samba
>>> installed.
>>
>> I have :
>>
>> A Router, several Synology NAS boxes, Humax Freeview recorder, and
>> around 10 raspberry pi machines, all Linux and all have SMB server on
>> them.
>>
>> One reason why is text editing for scripts etc. I have an editor that
>> I prefer to all others regardless of platform. This means that using
>> a built in editor like nano is only used once to sort smb.conf.
>
> Sounds like using a sledgehammer to swat a fly. You'd be much better off
> learning to use a text editor (you could even standardize on one, such as
> joe) through an SSH session. It'll have a much smaller footprint on every
> device, takes less time to install, less time to update, etc.
>

Or use notepad++, with ftp-plugin.
Despite its name it does sftp via ssh (or whatever that protocol is
called. )

That means you can edit files on servers without any config at all on
Linux side,
if the ssh server is installed (which many distros defaults it to)

I haven't touched samba for years. This is way easier.
It copies the file to your win-pc, you edit and on save it flies back,
so make sure you are alone editing the file.

--
/Björn

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 by: Martin Gregorie - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 19:35 UTC

On Thu, 05 Oct 2023 15:23:08 GMT, scott wrote:

> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <32gTM.5$w4ec.4@fx14.iad>,
>> <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
>>> Of all the Linux systems I run, I think only two of them have Samba
>>> installed.
>>
>> I have :
>>
>> A Router, several Synology NAS boxes, Humax Freeview recorder, and
>> around 10 raspberry pi machines, all Linux and all have SMB server on
>> them.
>>
>> One reason why is text editing for scripts etc. I have an editor that I
>> prefer to all others regardless of platform. This means that using a
>> built in editor like nano is only used once to sort smb.conf.
>

I've looked at nano don't like it. If you've got a Linux box with a colour
graphical screen of at least, say 1200 x 800 or thereabouts, you could do
a lot worse than try the 'gedit' text editor: its fast, has a decent
toolbox of editing tools and can edit multiple files at once. Full details
are here: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Gedit

Apart from that, I think its worth knowing 'vi'. You'll probably hate it
at first, but its fast, and runs on any Linux system including those
without any 'arrow keys' or working graphical display.

Vi is almost guaranteed to be part of every Linux distribution, Its man
page is pretty readable too. And there's version of it, vim, thats been
ported to Windows.

--

Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:59 UTC

On 27/09/2023 12:12, Björn Lundin wrote:
> On 2023-09-27 12:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>
>>> But you trust a 5 euro rpi zero with a cf-card?
>>>
>> yes, because its new, and didn't cost 500 when it was new ten years
>> ago...
>
>
> So then I should not trust my pis from 2012?
> The Fujitsu went on the market 2014
>
> And I really doubt it cost 500 as new
>
> <https://www.fujitsu.com/global/about/resources/news/press-releases/2014/0514-03.html>
>
> state 59600 yen in 2014, which is about 380 euros
>
>
>
>>> The idea was to find x64 boxes that could build my system
>>> with a small energy footprint. so I also scaled down the CPU, locked
>>> it at 800 Mhz preventing it to go to 1.65 GHz
>>>
>
>> Well low power means  Arm - best MIPS for yer buck there is.
>
> As I stated above : x64
>
> Arm is (usually) not x64, even though there was a discussion somewhere
> if x64 refers to only the intel instruction set or to all 64 bits
> instruction sets, including ARM64.
>
> To me it was obvious that I was talking intel instruction set, not
> ARM64. Perhaps that was a false assumption on my part.
>

No, my point was that if you wanted low power, you wouldnt buy x64.

> I do have an unmentioned constraint of a commercial compiler needing x86_64
>
Ah. Hard to get that on ARM

> So, with 11W measured power consumption at 1.65 GHz
> <https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s720/>
> and then scaled down to 800 MHz,
> I think it is actually less power hungry than a PI 4
>
Not sure about what I have here, but it runs pretty cool

4 cores about 30°C rather than my old twin at 60°C.

(Intel® Core™ i5-6600T CPU @ 2.70GHz × 4) sez the Linux.

Case isn't warm and I hear no fans.

Pi ZeroW is about 900mW!

Pi's themselves do not have LCD screens that die, keyboards that wear
out. plastic cases that turn to dust...touch screens that stop
working...batteries that lose capacity. These are what go on laptops,
hence my avoidance of uber cheap ones these days

Desktops come with none of those - they last well

--
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

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 by: 56g.1173 - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 01:35 UTC

On 9/17/23 4:58 AM, Bob Latham wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I build images for projects on 4GB cards so that I can save a
> completed image without using too much disc space. My problem comes
> when I try to burn a new card from the saved image. Often it will not
> fit because there are small differences in the size of the cards.
>
> Does anyone know of a way to reduce the capacity of an SD card so
> that I can make a 4GB card maybe 3.5GB which would mean all cards
> could easily manage it and reduce the size of the save image.

Even one byte diff in card size really IS a problem.
You can't use 'dd' if the dest card is smaller. I
recently had this prob with cards by the same maker,
just slightly different models. 32gb is "approximate"
size, doesn't mean *exactly* the same size.

To shrink a PARTITION, the super-crude way is to yank
the card out of the Pi and plug it into another Linux
PC ... and use 'gparted'. Hard to do that on a
card/partition that's "live" alas, hence the need to
remove it and use another machine.

Once shrunk, as the boot/grub stuff is still there, it
will USUALLY boot ok ... but run 'update-grub' immediately
just to keep things that way.

I've taken to sizing partitions to leave a little bit of
unused space at the end. In THEORY you can then use 'dd'
and when it runs out of space on the smaller card, well,
it was copying naught but zeros anyhow, nothing 'system'.

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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 03:07 UTC

On 13/12/2023 01:35, 56g.1173 wrote:
> On 9/17/23 4:58 AM, Bob Latham wrote:
<stuff>
FFS this is three months old!
WE solved it months ago.

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or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

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 by: Bob Latham - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:59 UTC

In article <ulb74o$3ssh3$8@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 01:35, 56g.1173 wrote:
> > On 9/17/23 4:58 AM, Bob Latham wrote:
> <stuff>
> FFS this is three months old!
> WE solved it months ago.

I was young, I needed the money.

Sorry wrong excuse,

It wasn't me, I wasn't even there!
So don't blame me.

;-)

Bob.

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