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* How to safely power down a headless Pi?Chris Green
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 by: Chris Green - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:31 UTC

Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 23:49:49 -0000, John Aldridge wrote:
>
> > In article <hg5j4k-um341.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, cl@isbd.net says...
> >>
> >> This sort of continues from my earlier question.
> >>
> >> I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
> >> can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
> >
> > What I do on my Pis is run an application which watches for the
> > insertion of a USB stick labelled SHUTDOWNPI.
> >
> > https://github.com/jps-aldridge/shutdownthumb
>
> The standard Linux "su - shutdown" or "su - shutdown --poweroff" should do
> the trick, while "man 8 shutdown" or "su - shutdown --help" tells you all
> about it.
>
> Hint: If you're not quite sure what a command is called, but you want to
> see its manpage, running the command "apropos whatIwant" will show you all
> the manual pages whose NAME sentence contains that character string or
> something similar.
>
I use 'man -k', exactly the same, very useful.

--
Chris Green
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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:31 UTC

On 12/12/2023 11:11, A.M. Rowsell wrote:
> -=> On Wed Dec 13 02:59:00 2023, The Natural Philosopher wrote to All <=-
>

> > And that is his problem. That he cant ssh in. Ive had this occasionally
> > with my remote virtual private servers. Something like a memory leak or
> > a full disk or someone DOSing it stops me getting in.

> I've been having a similar issue with one of my Pis acting as a PiHole. Every
> week or so, it totally locks up, can't SSH in, can't even get a serial
> terminal, have to hard reboot. Luckily it's actually the secondary DNS so stuff
> on my network stays up and running, but it's annoying because it also is
> connected to my UPS and a RTL-SDR that reports to FlightAware. Their emails
> telling me my feed is down is usually the first time I notice it's locked up
> again.

Time to look in the error logs methinks.

IME the most *likely* cause is out of RAM, either on account of a very
minor memory leak (run top and watch the memory stats) or because its on
the internet and too may incomning connections are causing it to spawn
too many processes.

--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:33 UTC

On 13/12/2023 10:29, Chris Green wrote:

> OP here. What I meant when I said "...I can't log in via ssh." is a
> situation where the software has crashed or something like that. I
> know quite well how to configure a Pi to let me log in using ssh.
>
Exactly, that leaves serial port as probably the only way to see what's
what, and even that wont work if getty cant spawn a login shell due to
lack of free memory

That really should NOT be happening. First stop is log files to see
what errors precede the hard reboot

--
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(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
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On 2023-12-12, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
>> On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:
>> > This sort of continues from my earlier question.
>> >
>> > I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
>> > can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
>> >
>> > I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
>> > would prefer not to.
>>
>> You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
>> That works.
>>
> Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
>

I find it amazing how often that sort of thing happens. People skip read
posts and only respond to parts. They've obviously got time because
often the posts are llloooonnnngggg!

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On 2023-12-13, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
> On 12/12/23 4:17 AM, Chris Green wrote:
>> 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:
>>>> This sort of continues from my earlier question.
>>>>
>>>> I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
>>>> can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
>>>>
>>>> I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
>>>> would prefer not to.
>>>
>>> You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
>>> That works.
>>>
>> Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
>
>
> I'd hoped he'd figured that out already ... he CAN, if
> he sets it up correctly.

did you actually eread the OP?
Stop DIGGING!

> Most common err on a Pi is to
> forget to enable the service ... either using the config
> GUI or manually with systemctl. I change the default port
> and the too-liberal login stuff in sshd_config too, just
> to be safe.
>
> However a "clean shutdown" BUTTON would be a really good
> thing - ergo the description of how to go for that. Ya
> can also write your OWN little daemon, send "STOP" on
> port whatever, separate from SSH.
>

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 by: Jim Jackson - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 22:24 UTC

On 2023-12-12, John Aldridge <jpsa@cantab.net> wrote:
> In article <hg5j4k-um341.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, cl@isbd.net says...
>>
>> This sort of continues from my earlier question.
>>
>> I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
>> can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
>
> What I do on my Pis is run an application which watches for the
> insertion of a USB stick labelled SHUTDOWNPI.
>
> https://github.com/jps-aldridge/shutdownthumb

Interesting idea.

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 by: Pancho - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 23:12 UTC

On 12/12/2023 11:11, A.M. Rowsell wrote:
> -=> On Wed Dec 13 02:59:00 2023, The Natural Philosopher wrote to All <=-
>
> > On 13/12/2023 01:17, 56g.1173 wrote:
> > > On 12/12/23 4:17 AM, Chris Green wrote:
> > >> 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
> > >>> On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:
> > >>>> This sort of continues from my earlier question.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
> > >>>> can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
> > >>>> would prefer not to.
> > >>>
> > >>> You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
> > >>> That works.
> > >>>
> > >> Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd hoped he'd figured that out already ... he CAN, if
> > > he sets it up correctly.
> > Seriously, dont be such a fucking twat. Obviously he can until his
> > system locks up, and then he CANT.
> >
> > And that is his problem. That he cant ssh in. Ive had this occasionally
> > with my remote virtual private servers. Something like a memory leak or
> > a full disk or someone DOSing it stops me getting in.
> I've been having a similar issue with one of my Pis acting as a PiHole. Every
> week or so, it totally locks up, can't SSH in, can't even get a serial
> terminal, have to hard reboot. Luckily it's actually the secondary DNS so stuff
> on my network stays up and running, but it's annoying because it also is
> connected to my UPS and a RTL-SDR that reports to FlightAware. Their emails
> telling me my feed is down is usually the first time I notice it's locked up
> again.

You could use a heart-beat type mechanism.

The PiHole repeatedly sends a check to remote service, the heart-beat

If the heart-beat stops, you can first get a script on the PiHole to
trigger a reboot itself, if the PiHole hasn't locked up.

If the PiHole has genuinely frozen, doesn't recover in a timely way, the
remote end of the heart beat serivice could signal a seperate tasmota
style power switch to cycle the power on the PiHole.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 14 Dec 2023 10:23 UTC

On 13/12/2023 23:12, Pancho wrote:
> ou could use a heart-beat type mechanism.
>
> The PiHole repeatedly sends a check to remote service, the heart-beat
>
> If the heart-beat stops, you can first get a script on the PiHole to
> trigger a reboot itself, if the PiHole hasn't locked up.
>
> If the PiHole has genuinely frozen, doesn't recover in a timely way, the
> remote end of the heart beat serivice could signal a seperate tasmota
> style power switch to cycle the power on the PiHole.

Experience shows that there are a range of situations that can disable
user access. Some of them will also disable any self-rebooting type
systems you might employ.

In such cases the only option is a power cycle.

BUT if its happening regularly, the answer is to FIX THE CODE that is
causing it or replace the hardware.

I remember one SPARC machine sent in to us that 'always worked for half
an hour, but then stopped'

CPU fan was wrecked by dust.

Pis are cheap enough that a total swapout wont cost an ARM (sic!) and a
leg so that is the easiest way to eliminate a hardware fault.

Code wise, you can disable services one at a time until its stable, or
look in the log files,

--
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 by: druck - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:14 UTC

On 12/12/2023 11:11, A.M. Rowsell wrote:
> I've been having a similar issue with one of my Pis acting as a PiHole. Every
> week or so, it totally locks up, can't SSH in, can't even get a serial
> terminal, have to hard reboot. Luckily it's actually the secondary DNS so stuff
> on my network stays up and running, but it's annoying because it also is
> connected to my UPS and a RTL-SDR that reports to FlightAware. Their emails
> telling me my feed is down is usually the first time I notice it's locked up
> again.

Try the hardware watchdog, there's plenty of info on it, here is the
first page that came to hand

https://diode.io/blog/running-forever-with-the-raspberry-pi-hardware-watchdog

---druck

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 by: Pancho - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 22:17 UTC

On 15/12/2023 20:14, druck wrote:

> Try the hardware watchdog, there's plenty of info on it, here is the
> first page that came to hand
>
> https://diode.io/blog/running-forever-with-the-raspberry-pi-hardware-watchdog
>
> ---druck
>

The rPi has a hardware watchdog! That is cool.

Definitely something to remember for the toolbag.

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 by: 56g.1183 - Wed, 3 Jan 2024 05:58 UTC

On 12/12/23 10:32 AM, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 12/12/2023 09:52, R.Wieser wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>>> I have quite a selection of Pis back to quite early versions and
>>> all of them are CLI only.
>>
>> I did install the full, GUI based version of BullsEye, just to see if it
>> would work.   It did.
>>
>> But the lack of any kind of speed made me quickly decide that maybe a CLI
>> version would work better. :-)
>>
>> To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised that that not-too-old BullsEye
>> wanted to boot on that rather ancient RPi.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rudy Wieser
>>
>>
>
> I've got Bookworm running (no gui) on
> Hardware    : BCM2835
> Revision    : 900032
> Serial        : 00000000c72dee2a
> Model        : Raspberry Pi Model B Plus Rev 1.2
>
> I got it for £10 (still in it's box) on ebay.

The Worm *works* ... but I really do NOT like it.
Changes TOO many things to NO obvious purpose.
I fear Deb has been compromised by Canonical
thinking ....... if this continues I may have
to go to Arch or even Slack or - horrors -
BSDs.

Linux should not be "Popular" shit ... it should
be staid and solid and consistent.

Got a Pi5 coming ... it's gonna be for "multi-
media" (streaming) stuff. I've got Worm/PI
ready for it ... but might NOT stick with it.
VERY disappointed in Deb now.

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 by: 56g.1183 - Wed, 3 Jan 2024 06:03 UTC

On 12/14/23 5:23 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 23:12, Pancho wrote:
>> ou could use a heart-beat type mechanism.
>>
>> The PiHole repeatedly sends a check to remote service, the heart-beat
>>
>> If the heart-beat stops, you can first get a script on the PiHole to
>> trigger a reboot itself, if the PiHole hasn't locked up.
>>
>> If the PiHole has genuinely frozen, doesn't recover in a timely way,
>> the remote end of the heart beat serivice could signal a seperate
>> tasmota style power switch to cycle the power on the PiHole.
>
> Experience shows that there are a range of situations that can disable
> user access. Some of them will also disable any self-rebooting type
> systems you might employ.
>
> In such cases the only option is a power cycle.
>
> BUT if its happening regularly, the answer is to FIX THE CODE that is
> causing it or replace the hardware.
>
> I remember one SPARC machine sent in to us that  'always worked for half
> an hour, but then stopped'
>
> CPU fan was wrecked by dust.
>
> Pis are cheap enough that a total swapout wont cost an ARM (sic!) and a
> leg  so that is the easiest way to eliminate a hardware fault.
>
> Code wise, you can disable services one at a time until its stable, or
> look in the log files,

There's a cheap, rude, crude, fix that I've used
for a number of units ... crontab a reboot at maybe
midnight. Clears all bullshit and errors from memory
and maybe only 60 seconds of downtime.

Linux/PI is good, but some kinds of errors and/or
memory leaks DO seem to accumulate despite best
efforts.

Crontab a root @reboot to get everything going again.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 3 Jan 2024 10:35 UTC

On 03/01/2024 06:03, 56g.1183 wrote:

>   Linux/PI is good, but some kinds of errors and/or
>   memory leaks DO seem to accumulate despite best
>   efforts.
>
No, they dont.

Its not the Pi at fault, its not even the linux at fault, its
application code that causes memory leaks.

user@heating-controller:~ $ uptime
10:33:41 up 8 days, 9:21, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.03
user@heating-controller:~ $ free -m
total used free shared buff/cache
available
Mem: 429 67 161 30 200
278
Swap: 99 0 99

No sign of memory leaks there.

--
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house
for the voice of the kingdom.

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 by: druck - Wed, 3 Jan 2024 21:17 UTC

On 03/01/2024 05:58, 56g.1183 wrote:
>   The Worm *works* ... but I really do NOT like it.
>   Changes TOO many things to NO obvious purpose.
[snip]
> Got a Pi5 coming ... it's gonna be for "multi-
> media" (streaming) stuff. I've got Worm/PI
> ready for it ... but might NOT stick with it.
> VERY disappointed in Deb now.
Given the warnings that a Bullseye to Bookworm upgrade wasn't viable, I
did a fresh install of Bookworm on my new Pi 5, and was less than
impressed. It completely ignored my attempts to replace Pixel with my
preferred Mate desktop, and I was horrified to find rsyslog wasn't
active and only journald shite.
So I abandoned that, and went back to it's predecessor Pi 4B, which was
running Bullseye 64 bit (hand upgraded from 32 bit, and prior to that in
place upgraded all the way from the very fist OS running an the original
256MB Pi B) and upgraded that to Bookworm without any problems, using
info on https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-os-bullseye-to-bookworm/
That resulted in a Pi 5B running Bookworm with a fully working Mate
desktop, no Wayland crud, rsyslog active and all the other
customisations I've made over the last 12 years.
---druck

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Hello druck!

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> 153/757 7715
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> 5 6 7 8
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> 310/31
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> 100 330
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> 5005/49
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> 5090/958
> @PATH: 770/3 1 218/840 221/6 301/1 5020/1042 3634/12 250/1

Any chance you can discontinue this message format as for myself as one I
cannot read it and it does not comply with the standards for any messaging
that I have found including fido and Usenet.

Vincent

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject: Re: How to safely power down a headless Pi?
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 by: R.Wieser - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 07:30 UTC

Vincent,

> > @INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3
> > @REPLYADDR news@druck.org.uk
> > @REPLYTO 3:770/3.0 UUCP
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> > @REPLY: <vbWdnS0X77_3agn4nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com> 2694f141
> > @PID: SoupGate-Win32 v1.05

That looks like nothing I've ever seen. My own (ancient!) OE6 shows the
raw message headers to be this :

- - - - - - -
....
Message-ID: <un4isp$3b8gn$1@dont-email.me>
....
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
....
- - - - - - -
(legal, as specified in the RFC for newsgroup messages)

> > T24gMDMvMDEvMjAyNCAwNTo1OCwgNTZ....

That block is just the base-64 encodeded (as mentioned in the headers) text.
It looks like your message reader cut a few corners and doesn't understand
(didn't implement?) this, quite legal, method of encoding a message.

IOW, it looks to be a "you", and not a "druck" problem ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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Subject: Re: How to safely power down a headless Pi?
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 by: Richard Kettlewell - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 08:19 UTC

nospam.Vincent.Coen@f0.n25.z2.fidonet.org (Vincent Coen) writes:
> Any chance you can discontinue this message format as for myself as one I
> cannot read it and it does not comply with the standards for any messaging
> that I have found including fido and Usenet.

The stuff with @ signs and SEEN-BY is something local to you, it’s not
in the original.

The base64 encoding is described in
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2045, referenced from
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5536 which describes Usenet article
formats.

The gateway software you’re using is literally from the last millenium
(November 2000 release date); time for an update, perhaps.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject: Re: How to safely power down a headless Pi?
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 09:19 UTC

On 03/01/2024 10:22, Vincent Coen wrote:
> Hello druck!
>
> Wednesday January 03 2024 21:17, you wrote to All:
>
> > @INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3
> > @REPLYADDR news@druck.org.uk
> > @REPLYTO 3:770/3.0 UUCP
> > @MSGID: <un4isp$3b8gn$1@dont-email.me> 2bba35bb
> > @REPLY: <vbWdnS0X77_3agn4nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com> 2694f141
> > @PID: SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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> > 100 330
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> > 5005/49
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> > 5090/958
> > @PATH: 770/3 1 218/840 221/6 301/1 5020/1042 3634/12 250/1
>
> Any chance you can discontinue this message format as for myself as one I
> cannot read it and it does not comply with the standards for any messaging
> that I have found including fido and Usenet.
>
>
> Vincent
>
Gosh I didn't see that it was base 64 encoded!

No reason for that.

Thunderbird doesnt normally encode usenet that way...

--
“it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

Re: How to safely power down a headless Pi?

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 10:13 UTC

On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 09:19:23 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Gosh I didn't see that it was base 64 encoded!
>
> No reason for that.
>
> Thunderbird doesnt normally encode usenet that way...

Perhaps it's to make the UTF-8 7 bit clean.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject: Re: How to safely power down a headless Pi?
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 by: Andy Burns - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 12:25 UTC

Vincent Coen wrote:

> Hello druck!
>
> > @INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3
> > @REPLYADDR news@druck.org.uk
> > @REPLYTO 3:770/3.0 UUCP
> > @MSGID: <un4isp$3b8gn$1@dont-email.me> 2bba35bb
> > @REPLY: <vbWdnS0X77_3agn4nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com> 2694f141
> > @PID: SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
> > SEEN-BY: 1/120 18/0 25/0 21 123/0 25 126 180 200 755 3001 135/115
> > 153/757 7715
> > SEEN-BY: 218/840 220/70 221/1 6 222/2 226/17 100 240/1120 250/0 1 3 4
> > 5 6 7 8
> > SEEN-BY: 250/10 11 13 14 263/0 5 267/800 275/1000 299/6 301/1 113 812
> > 310/31
> > SEEN-BY: 335/364 341/66 463/68 467/4 888 633/280 712/848 1321 770/1 3
> > 100 330
> > SEEN-BY: 770/340 772/210 220 230 2320/105 3634/0 12 56 57 119 5001/100
> > 5005/49
> > SEEN-BY: 5020/1042 4441 5030/49 5054/8 5058/104 5061/133 5075/128
> > 5090/958
> > @PATH: 770/3 1 218/840 221/6 301/1 5020/1042 3634/12 250/1

All of that comes from whatever usenet/fidonet gateway you're using

The base64 coding does come from druck's Thunderbird, but it's probably
not his fault, there's a longer chain of "blame" ...

The message from <56g.1183@ztq4.net> uses 8bit encoding and seems to
have needlessly changed spaces into sequences of 0xC3 0x82 0x20
possibly triggered by Chris Elvidge's message also using 8bit coding and
including non US ASCII characters (e.g. a British pound sign £)
> Any chance you can discontinue this message format as for myself as one I
> cannot read it and it does not comply with the standards for any messaging
> that I have found including fido and Usenet.

I think it needs Chris Elvidge and/or 56g.1183 to use 7-bit encoding for
their UTF-8 messages

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 by: Andy Burns - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 12:40 UTC

Andy Burns wrote:

> I think it needs Chris Elvidge and/or 56g.1183 to use 7-bit encoding for
> their UTF-8 messages

The mail.strictly_mime=true setting also has an influence

But it seems Thunderbird isn't as well behaved as I thought, it is
easily tempted into using base64 encoding instead of 7bit encoding with
quoted-printable characters :-(

Has anyone got any better settings?

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 12:42 UTC

On 04/01/2024 12:40, Andy Burns wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> I think it needs Chris Elvidge and/or 56g.1183 to use 7-bit encoding
>> for their UTF-8 messages
>
> The mail.strictly_mime=true setting also has an influence
>
> But it seems Thunderbird isn't as well behaved as I thought, it is
> easily tempted into using base64 encoding instead of 7bit encoding with
> quoted-printable characters :-(
>
> Has anyone got any better settings?
>
>
>
According to those what know better than I Usenet and Mime base 64 are
now a standard.

So if you cant read it, update your user agent...

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for the voice of the kingdom.

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From: anssi.sa...@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi (Anssi Saari)
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 by: Anssi Saari - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 14:11 UTC

druck <news@druck.org.uk> writes:

> So I abandoned that, and went back to it's predecessor Pi 4B, which
> was running Bullseye 64 bit (hand upgraded from 32 bit, and prior to
> that in place upgraded all the way from the very fist OS running an
> the original 256MB Pi B)

What's "hand upgraded"? I have this Pi that I kinda would like to keep
running for a while yet but it has Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on it. Canonical
extended the support for 20.04 LTS until 2030 but not for the armhf
architecture which I have. I've considered cross grading it to arm64 but
I'm not sure it's worth the trouble or if that would even work. And this
is a CM3+ so there's no SD card, only soldered eMMC for storage.

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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 14:53 UTC

On 04/01/2024 14:11, Anssi Saari wrote:
> druck <news@druck.org.uk> writes:
>
>> So I abandoned that, and went back to it's predecessor Pi 4B, which
>> was running Bullseye 64 bit (hand upgraded from 32 bit, and prior to
>> that in place upgraded all the way from the very fist OS running an
>> the original 256MB Pi B)
>
> What's "hand upgraded"? I have this Pi that I kinda would like to keep
> running for a while yet but it has Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on it. Canonical
> extended the support for 20.04 LTS until 2030 but not for the armhf
> architecture which I have. I've considered cross grading it to arm64 but
> I'm not sure it's worth the trouble or if that would even work. And this
> is a CM3+ so there's no SD card, only soldered eMMC for storage.

A good question is why you would want to upgrade at all.
If you have used it for a specific task and it is still performing that
task well, what is the problem?

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to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 21:04 UTC

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/01/2024 12:40, Andy Burns wrote:
>> But it seems Thunderbird isn't as well behaved as I thought, it is
>> easily tempted into using base64 encoding instead of 7bit encoding with
>> quoted-printable characters :-(
>>
>> Has anyone got any better settings?
>>
> According to those what know better than I Usenet and Mime base 64 are
> now a standard.

There are standard ways to send posts written in HTML and with huge
binary attachments too, but I'm thankful that Usenet discussion
generally has remained as simple as possible thanks to most people
sensibly avoiding those options.

I'm guessing that Thunderbird's behaviour is inherited from its
behaviour with email. Email today is a perfect example of how bad
things can get by going the other way and stuffing every useless
non-feature possible into each message. The average size of text
emails that I receive has increased massively over the years, only
so that lots more processing has to be done to render them
(sometimes poorly) in plain text for me to read.

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