In message <598b4c1aaadave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes - Hermes does work with Pluto. But POP3S with POPstar did work with BT
> and 123-reg, until 123-reg changed things.
>
> Think what I want is only to download new messages - and not delete them
> from the server. I can manage that side from the PC.

AntiSpam can do that too.

David

In article <f0204d8b59.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> I hope that one of you is going to post back soon, telling us of a
> successful conclusion.

I hope so too - watch this space!

Martin

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In article <f0204d8b59.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <598a621ca9News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
> Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <598a59f1b5dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
> > <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
> > > Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.
> >
> > > Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on
> > > Pluto doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help
> > > files.
> >
> > Can I suggest you email me directly and I will try to help? My address
> > is in the Pluto Help manual - please do not use the one above.

> I hope that one of you is going to post back soon, telling us of a
> successful conclusion.

> David

I have a workround - sort of.

Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside Netfetch.

Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to operate
just like POPStar did.

Only thing I'm not quite clear about is if it uses the correct SMTP for
each adress. Netfetch only shows the one in Choices Account, and the
button on the right doesn't show the other one - although advanced then
details does. I do know the 'wrong' SMTP usually works OK - but not
always.

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In article <598bd32803dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> I have a workround - sort of.

> Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
> Netfetch.

Pluto does *not* "only mention Hermes.
Where did you get that from?

> Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
> operate just like POPStar did.

Of course Pluto will work with Hermes - as it will work with AntiSpam.

[I await a reply to my PM sent at 15:12 today]

Your problem was that Hermes would not work with 123, I thought.

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In article <598bd6e2ebNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <598bd32803dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> [Snip]

> > I have a workround - sort of.

> > Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
> > Netfetch.

> Pluto does *not* "only mention Hermes.

It doesn't have Netfetch in its choices.

> Where did you get that from?

> > Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
> > operate just like POPStar did.

> Of course Pluto will work with Hermes - as it will work with AntiSpam.

> [I await a reply to my PM sent at 15:12 today]

> Your problem was that Hermes would not work with 123, I thought.

Netfetch does OK, though.

The original problem was that 123-reg told me on the phone and by message
that I had to use imap. I now know this isn't the case as their POP
servers works too. But not with POPStar/POP3S.

All I want is Pluto working as it did.

The other thing is I want to be able to set it so it only downloads new
mails. That seems to work OK using Netfetch. Of course I could well have
missed the correct configuration on others.

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In article <598bd7d8c6dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> All I want is Pluto working as it did.

Pluto is not a Mail fetcher/sender...

> The other thing is I want to be able to set it so it only downloads new
> mails. That seems to work OK using Netfetch. Of course I could well have
> missed the correct configuration on others.

Hermes Icon bar menu, Mail accounts in "Email boxes to fetch", single
click an account on the left hand side, then click Edit on the right hand
side, this opens a new pane, click the "Fetching" button On.

This opens "Fetch options"
Click the "Skip mail already fetched" to On.
Click "Change" and Uncle Bob will be okay.

Dave

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In article <598bd32803dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> I have a workround - sort of.

> Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
> Netfetch.

> Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
> operate just like POPStar did.

Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch but
I've never understood why. I thought its main function was
simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to know
about it.

Would love to understand what the configuration difference was that
made it work.

Bob.

Hi Dave.

I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!

Can you send me an email from a working address. The one I
use for this group will be fine.

John

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In article <598bea2285newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>,
John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Dave.

> I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!

> Can you send me an email from a working address. The one I
> use for this group will be fine.

> John

Which Dave among the many were you trying to reach John?

Dave

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In article <598bed546adave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <598bea2285newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>, John
> <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi Dave.

> > I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!

> > Can you send me an email from a working address. The
> > one I use for this group will be fine.

> > John

> Which Dave among the many were you trying to reach John?

Dave Plowman.

John

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On 15 Nov, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
<598bd7d8c6dave@davenoise.co.uk>:

> It doesn't have Netfetch in its choices.

It won't do: Hermes is the mail transport whichever way you set things up;
NetFetch is just a wrapper around Hermes.

Either way, Pluto will only see Hermes, as Pluto is only interested in mail
transports.

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In article <598be7bd5ebob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <598bd32803dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> > I have a workround - sort of.

> > Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
> > Netfetch.

> > Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
> > operate just like POPStar did.

> Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch but
> I've never understood why. I thought its main function was
> simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to know
> about it.

> Would love to understand what the configuration difference was that
> made it work.

Basically, with Hermes only, it downloaded the entire mailbox each time.
Found a setting on Netfetch for new mails only. Of course I might be
missing the same function in Hermes.

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In article <598bea2285newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>,
John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Dave.

> I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!

> Can you send me an email from a working address. The one I
> use for this group will be fine.

Did you look at the instructions in my sig?

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In article <598c065076dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <598be7bd5ebob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <598bd32803dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
> > Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> > > I have a workround - sort of.

> > > Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
> > > Netfetch.

> > > Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
> > > operate just like POPStar did.

> > Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch
> > but I've never understood why. I thought its main function was
> > simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to
> > know about it.

> > Would love to understand what the configuration difference was
> > that made it work.

> Basically, with Hermes only, it downloaded the entire mailbox each
> time. Found a setting on Netfetch for new mails only. Of course I
> might be missing the same function in Hermes.

I presume in Hermes alone that would be:
Mail accounts - boxes to fetch - <name> - fetching - Skip mail
already fetched.

But I thought the problem was that you could get pop3 to work at all
not that you limit to new stuff only.

Bob.

In article <mpro.r2n1n001d1llb0484.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 15 Nov, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
> <598bd7d8c6dave@davenoise.co.uk>:

> > It doesn't have Netfetch in its choices.

> It won't do: Hermes is the mail transport whichever way you set
> things up; NetFetch is just a wrapper around Hermes.

> Either way, Pluto will only see Hermes, as Pluto is only interested
> in mail transports.

To clarify: Pluto will not see Netfetch, as it is not a mail
transport, but transports it can use include Hermes, AntiSpam,
PopStar, and many older ones.

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In article <598c065fbedave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman
(News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <598bea2285newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>, John
> <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi Dave.

> > I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!

> > Can you send me an email from a working address. The
> > one I use for this group will be fine.

> Did you look at the instructions in my sig?

Oops! Will send again...

John

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In article <598c304149bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> But I thought the problem was that you could get pop3 to work at all
> not that you limit to new stuff only.

That was ages ago.

123-reg changed things. Told me in a personal reply I had to use imap.
Later discovered (from here, etc) that I could also use their POP server.
And if you waded through their instructions, it did mention it at the end
- to do with IIRC Gmail. Only ones I'd read was for Thunderbird.

But that didn't work with POPStar. Why - I dunno.

Bought Netfetch then Messenger Pro. Which worked - but I prefer Pluto,
having used it for many many years. The devil you know. I also far prefer
Pluto to Thumderbird on the PC. Again likely the devil you know. Although
did get Netfetch working with Pluto.

AntiSpam seemed to be the POPStar replacement with Pluto. Opposing camps?

So decided to try that.

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In article <598c353b58News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <mpro.r2n1n001d1llb0484.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
> Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> > On 15 Nov, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
> > <598bd7d8c6dave@davenoise.co.uk>:

> > > It doesn't have Netfetch in its choices.

> > It won't do: Hermes is the mail transport whichever way you set
> > things up; NetFetch is just a wrapper around Hermes.

> > Either way, Pluto will only see Hermes, as Pluto is only interested
> > in mail transports.

> To clarify: Pluto will not see Netfetch, as it is not a mail
> transport, but transports it can use include Hermes, AntiSpam,
> PopStar, and many older ones.

In practice, NetFetch seems to be able to configure Hermes for some things
you can't do directly with Hermes. Which seems to also work when Pluto is
set to Hermes. But not 100% certain you can't do what I want in Hermes
alone.

In practical use it makes no difference. You just click the Netfetch icon
to do a fetch etc rather than the Hermes one.

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In article <598c5041a8dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]

> In practical use it makes no difference. You just click the Netfetch icon
> to do a fetch etc rather than the Hermes one.

What!
If you are taking that route...
Why not click menu over the NF icon bar icon and look at the Fetch/Send
options?

Dave

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In article <598c51be86dave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <598c5041a8dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> [Snippy]

> > In practical use it makes no difference. You just click the Netfetch icon
> > to do a fetch etc rather than the Hermes one.

> What!
> If you are taking that route...
> Why not click menu over the NF icon bar icon and look at the Fetch/Send
> options?

Why would I look at the options? I've already set them how I want.

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On 16/11/2021 13:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> 123-reg changed things. Told me in a personal reply I had to use imap.
> Later discovered (from here, etc) that I could also use their POP server.

Who told you, if it was first line support I would be inclined to
believe they didn't understand the question. If it was second or third
line support, it might hold more weight.

---druck

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druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 16/11/2021 13:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > 123-reg changed things. Told me in a personal reply I had to use imap.
> > Later discovered (from here, etc) that I could also use their POP server.

> Who told you, if it was first line support I would be inclined to
> believe they didn't understand the question. If it was second or third
> line support, it might hold more weight.

> ---druck

The person who sorted out the mess their auto migrate thingie did at their
end. I was left in limbo, with no access to my box. He re-set things (a
few days later) and auto migrate then worked. So had no reason to doubt
what he said. Of course he may have been just the scribe. ;-) I've no way
of knowing. This was all with Thunderbird, which they had step by step
instructions on how to change from the original POPbox (which stopped
working) to imap.

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In article <598be7bd5ebob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch but
> I've never understood why. I thought its main function was
> simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to know
> about it.

NetFetch is a commercial package. It includes freebies such as Newshound,
.. But NetFetch itself is maily a wrapper for the individual programs -
plus a timer to trigger fetches as appropriate, something Alarm or
Organizer can do just as well.

If you are going to charge for something you have to include something
worth charging for. Hence NetFetch to integrate a lot of freebies with
some new bits thrown in.

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Just to update things.

I've got Pluto working just fine with AntiSpam. Used really just to
replace POPstar rather than for the filter side. So thanks to all.

Just to be clear - using the POP server on 123-reg. For some reason that
won't work with POPstar/POP3S.

I've left the PC using imap. And can use either that or the RPC but
archive everything I want to using Pluto which is just as before.

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