Hello,

I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as
i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.

Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.

Thank you,

Elia

Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:

> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
> project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

Elia <me@elia.li> writes:

> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
> project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
> any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
> too.

School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
problem, I just like to know some parameters.

Cheers,
Tom

On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>
>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>> project,
>
> Great.
> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>
We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

On 26/11/2023 21:37, Tom Furie wrote:
> Elia <me@elia.li> writes:
>
>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>> project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
>> any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
>> too.
>
> School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
> do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
> problem, I just like to know some parameters.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom

I plan on running it indefinitely.

Regards,
Elia

In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>
>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>> project,
>>
>> Great.
>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>
>We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>and wanted to show them something

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
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On 26/11/2023 21:14, Elia wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
> and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as
> i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.
>
> Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Elia

See https://www.bofh.team/info.txt

Just write me an email with your info, and your request. Pay attention,
a peer with me full feed (binary included) it's _min_ 7/10GB/day, only
2GB/day if you want full feed text.
If your reduce to at least few hyearchies, the bandwitch will be reduced.

Sincerely

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On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>
>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>> project,
>>>
>>> Great.
>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>
>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>> and wanted to show them something
>
> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>>> project,
>>>> Great.
>>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>>> and wanted to show them something
>> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
>
>Cheers to that!

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

On 11/27/23 08:16, D wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>>>> project,
>>>>> Great.
>>>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>>>> and wanted to show them something
>>> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
>>
>> Cheers to that!
>
> dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
>

If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
"common", but it is an internet service.
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Am 27.11.2023 um 15:16:39 Uhr schrieb D:

> dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet
> service?

When it is being used over IP, then yes. In the past it was used with
UUCP without IP involved.

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 08:21:15 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 11/27/23 08:16, D wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>>>>> and wanted to show them something
>>>> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
>>> Cheers to that!
>>
>> dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
>>
>If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
>service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
>is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
>imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
>"common", but it is an internet service.

thanks for the common usage tip; so although usenet was established before
the internet, usenet is nonetheless actually, in fact, an internet service;
for some reason it seemed de facto meant "for all intents and purposes" or
"might as well be", e.g. "big alphonse capone is chicago's de facto mayor"

On 26/11/2023 21:37, Tom Furie wrote:
> School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
> do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
> problem, I just like to know some parameters.

I had the same question and reaction.

On 11/26/23 14:51, el1a wrote:
> I plan on running it indefinitely.

Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.

--
Grant. . . .

On 11/26/23 17:56, Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
> Just write me an email with your info, and your request. Pay attention,
> a peer with me full feed (binary included) it's min 7/10GB/day, only
> 2GB/day if you want full feed text.

Those binary numbers seem lower than I would assume.

Those text numbers seem about forty times higher than I was seeing.
Though the massive spam hose coming out of Google as of late may be
altering those numbers.

Aside: I have long maintained that I think it's possible to run a text
only Usenet server on 56k dial up.

Grant. . . .

Am 27.11.2023 um 09:32:10 Uhr schrieb Grant Taylor:

> Aside: I have long maintained that I think it's possible to run a
> text only Usenet server on 56k dial up.

Also with reader clients?

In article <0c791076ab2d363c348edb092329e2f9@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>>>> project,
>>>>> Great.
>>>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>>>> and wanted to show them something
>>> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
>>
>>Cheers to that!
>
>dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
>

No ! The WEb overseeds that.
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In article <uk28kr$3piqa$1@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 11/27/23 08:16, D wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>>>>> and wanted to show them something
>>>> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
>>>
>>> Cheers to that!
>>
>> dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
>>
>
>If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
>service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
>is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
>imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
>"common", but it is an internet service.
>--
>user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
>

It should be though.
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In article <uk2clt$9u8$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 26/11/2023 21:37, Tom Furie wrote:
>> School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
>> do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
>> problem, I just like to know some parameters.
>
>I had the same question and reaction.
>
>On 11/26/23 14:51, el1a wrote:
>> I plan on running it indefinitely.
>
>Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.
>
>
>
>--
>Grant. . . .

Same here!
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:14:03 +0100, Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>Am 27.11.2023 um 15:16:39 Uhr schrieb D:
>
>> dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet
>> service?
>
>When it is being used over IP, then yes. In the past it was used with
>UUCP without IP involved.

okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

Am 27.11.2023 um 17:17:13 Uhr schrieb D:

> okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
> "unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
> tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
> making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
> old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

Usenet itself is basically the same, regardless of the transport
protocol.
Although, for me an internet service is something that uses IP
(Internet protocol). NNTP is, UUCP over IP is, but UUCP directly
doesn't use IP.

The question is how far the term "Internet" goes.

Are other transmission protocols like UUCP also "Internet"?

On 11/27/23 10:16, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <uk28kr$3piqa$1@dont-email.me>,
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 11/27/23 08:16, D wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>> On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>>>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>>>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>>>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>>>>>> and wanted to show them something
>>>>> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers to that!
>>>
>>> dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
>>>
>>
>> If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
>> service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
>> is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
>> imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
>> "common", but it is an internet service.
>> --
>> user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
>>
>
> It should be though.

Agreed, but it's not as of today.
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:16:19 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

>In article <0c791076ab2d363c348edb092329e2f9@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>>>>> and wanted to show them something
>>>> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
>>>Cheers to that!
>>
>>dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
>
>No ! The WEb overseeds that.

hmm . . .

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=overseeds
>overseed /o"ver-sed'/
>transitive verb
> To spread grass seed on (turf or an established lawn) in order to
> fill in thin or bare spots.
>intransitive verb
> To spread grass seed on turf or an established lawn.
>verb
> To replenish (a lawn, etc.) by adding more seeds.
>The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
>* More at Wordnik

and "overseed" almost sounds like "supercede" . . . did ip "supercede" nntp?
google sure seems to think so . . . "holy see" . . . "over lord" . . . "god"

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:21:54 +0100, Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>Am 27.11.2023 um 17:17:13 Uhr schrieb D:
>> okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
>> "unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
>> tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
>> making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
>> old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?
>
>Usenet itself is basically the same, regardless of the transport
>protocol.
>Although, for me an internet service is something that uses IP
>(Internet protocol). NNTP is, UUCP over IP is, but UUCP directly
>doesn't use IP.
>The question is how far the term "Internet" goes.
>Are other transmission protocols like UUCP also "Internet"?

is ftp ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol

In article <678b282a2d2b580bd1523b4ac70c5e79@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:16:19 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>Doctor) wrote:
>
>>In article <0c791076ab2d363c348edb092329e2f9@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>>On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>>>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>>>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>>>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>>>>>> and wanted to show them something
>>>>> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
>>>>Cheers to that!
>>>
>>>dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
>>
>>No ! The WEb overseeds that.
>
>hmm . . .
>
>https://duckduckgo.com/?q=overseeds
>>overseed /o"ver-sed'/
>>transitive verb
>> To spread grass seed on (turf or an established lawn) in order to
>> fill in thin or bare spots.
>>intransitive verb
>> To spread grass seed on turf or an established lawn.
>>verb
>> To replenish (a lawn, etc.) by adding more seeds.
>>The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
>>* More at Wordnik
>
>and "overseed" almost sounds like "supercede" . . . did ip "supercede" nntp?
>google sure seems to think so . . . "holy see" . . . "over lord" . . . "god"
>

Meant supercede.
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In article <1f640ac5731a070f5ed064b1629f26b7@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:21:54 +0100, Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>>Am 27.11.2023 um 17:17:13 Uhr schrieb D:
>>> okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
>>> "unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
>>> tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
>>> making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
>>> old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?
>>
>>Usenet itself is basically the same, regardless of the transport
>>protocol.
>>Although, for me an internet service is something that uses IP
>>(Internet protocol). NNTP is, UUCP over IP is, but UUCP directly
>>doesn't use IP.
>>The question is how far the term "Internet" goes.
>>Are other transmission protocols like UUCP also "Internet"?
>
>is ftp ?
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol
>

And then there is packet filtering FTP.
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