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* (Dialog) Why reverse select faster than forward selectLars Anders
+* Re: (Dialog) Why reverse select faster than forward selectBernd Rose
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From: larsande...@glocalnet.se (Lars Anders)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: (Dialog) Why reverse select faster than forward select
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 03:22:11 +0100
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 by: Lars Anders - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 02:22 UTC

When select long list on Dialog message body why reverse select many lines
for to remove many slower long time than forward select?

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: (Dialog) Why reverse select faster than forward select
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 07:01:12 +0100
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 by: Bernd Rose - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 06:01 UTC

On Fri, 25th Mar 2022 03:22:11 +0100, Lars Anders wrote:

> When select long list on Dialog message body why reverse select many lines
> for to remove many slower long time than forward select?

I must admit, I don't understand your question. You and me /both/ not being
native English speakers doesn't help, here. ;-)

Please explain step by step, what works fast. And afterwards, what you did
change (also step by step), that results in Dialog slowing down.

# Are you talking about selecting several messages in the header list pane?
# Do you select with keyboard commands or by mouse?
# ...?

Bernd

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From: V...@nguard.LH (VanguardLH)
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Subject: Re: (Dialog) Why reverse select faster than forward select
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 by: VanguardLH - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 15:28 UTC

Lars Anders wrote:

> When select long list on Dialog message body why reverse select many
> lines for to remove many slower long time than forward select?

The content selected is at the same rate as however you do the select
which you did not mention. If I click and drag whether up or down, the
selected content is highlighted as fast as I drag the mouse cursor. If
I select an insert point in a message, press and hold Shift, and use the
up or down arrow keys to select content, the content is selected as fast
as I hit the arrow keys. If highlighting were slow than the movement of
the mouse or arrow keys, selection would be difficult, because
highlighting would lag what you selected.

If you are using the mouse to select while dragging the mouse, and the
content is longer than the visible area within a pane, the content will
scroll. Dialog has no control over the mouse's scrolling speed. You
configure mouse scroll speed in the mouse applet in whatever OS you are
using.

This is for selecting text content. I don't visit newsgroups where HTML
formatted posts are allowed. I hope Dialog does not permit running
scripts in HTML content; else, who knows what those scripts are doing,
and they could affect selecting content, could block the mouse from
selecting content, or block copying the selected text. With HTML
formatted posts, switch to Raw message view. All HTML is text, but it
can get rendered using the coding within. Raw mode doesn't render, and
shows HTML as text. Dialog was abandoned 20 years ago, so its HTML
renderer won't have all the support for fancy web pages used today.

Got a MID for an article where you see content selection is slower in
reverse than forward? How are you selecting the content?

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From: b.rose.t...@arcor.de (Bernd Rose)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: (Dialog) Why reverse select faster than forward select
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 18:58:23 +0100
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 by: Bernd Rose - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 17:58 UTC

On Fri, 25th Mar 2022 10:28:12 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

> I hope Dialog does not permit running scripts in HTML content

It doesn't.

Bernd

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From: larsande...@glocalnet.se (Lars Anders)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: (Dialog) Why reverse select faster than forward select
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 21:46:11 +0100
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 by: Lars Anders - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 20:46 UTC

On 25 Mar 2022, Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote :

> I must admit, I don't understand your question.

On 25 Mar 2022, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :

> The content selected is at the same rate as however you do the select
> which you did not mention.

I try start again better! :0)

Here is random test we can three of us use same for consistent.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_ITV_journalists_and_newsreaders

SIMPLE TESTING:
1. Copy & paste above long list A-Z into Dialog message body below
2. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select UP
3. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select DOWN

The difference in scroll time is 100 times much more slow on DOWN than UP!
Very very noticing every time.
No exception.

Why?
--
A Christa Ackroyd - presenter on Calendar during the 1990s; she left to join
the BBC's Look North.
Kaye Adams - journalist on Central Television; later presenter on Scottish
TV.
Jonathan Aitken - presenter on Yorkshire Television's Calendar from 1968
until 1970: he was the first person to be seen on screen when the station
launched. He later participated in the relaunch of TV-am in 1983, but he is
best known as a Conservative politician, originally for Thanet from 1974 and
later for South Thanet.
Antoine Allen - presenter for Good Morning Britain London bulletin, TV
reporter on ITV London
Sameena Ali-Khan - presenter on ITV Central; presented the ITV Weekend News
on occasions in 2006
Eamonn Andrews - main presenter of Thames Television's 'Today' programme
during the 1960s and 1970s. He was also a sports presenter and commentator,
and was the first-ever presenter of ITV's 'World of Sport', but he was best
known as the host of This Is Your Life, Crackerjack and What's My Line? He
died in 1987.
Jo Andrews - former political correspondent and Deputy Political Editor at
ITN
Fiona Armstrong - presenter for Border Television's regional news programme
Lookaround; later a newscaster on ITN's News at Ten
Pamela Armstrong - ITN newscaster, 1983-1986.
Toni Arthur - occasional presenter on TV-am during the 1980s. She is best
known as a presenter on the BBC children's series Playschool and Play Away
during the 1970s.
Mark Austin - former main presenter of ITV Evening News and ITV News at Ten;
since joining ITN (on ITV) in 1986, having previously worked on BBC news
programmes; has specialised in a variety of roles including sports reporter,
foreign correspondent, and then newscaster for Channel 4 News
Lisa Aziz - former co-presenter for ITV Westcountry and news presenter on
TV-am
B Zeinab Badawi - first presenter of the ITV News at 5:30 and co-presented
Channel 4 News for several years, before joining BBC News
Llewella Bailey
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From: larsande...@glocalnet.se (Lars Anders)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: (Dialog) Why reverse select faster than forward select
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 21:42:44 +0100
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 by: Lars Anders - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 20:42 UTC

On 25 Mar 2022, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :

> The content selected is at the same rate as however you do the select
> which you did not mention.

I try start again better! :0)

Here is random test we can three of us use same for consistent.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_ITV_journalists_and_newsreaders

SIMPLE TESTING:
1. Copy & paste above long list A-Z into Dialog message body below
2. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select UP
3. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select DOWN

The difference in scroll time is 100 times much more slow on DOWN than UP!
Very very noticing every time.
No exception.

Why?
--
A Christa Ackroyd - presenter on Calendar during the 1990s; she left to join
the BBC's Look North.
Kaye Adams - journalist on Central Television; later presenter on Scottish
TV.
Jonathan Aitken - presenter on Yorkshire Television's Calendar from 1968
until 1970: he was the first person to be seen on screen when the station
launched. He later participated in the relaunch of TV-am in 1983, but he is
best known as a Conservative politician, originally for Thanet from 1974 and
later for South Thanet.
Antoine Allen - presenter for Good Morning Britain London bulletin, TV
reporter on ITV London
Sameena Ali-Khan - presenter on ITV Central; presented the ITV Weekend News
on occasions in 2006
Eamonn Andrews - main presenter of Thames Television's 'Today' programme
during the 1960s and 1970s. He was also a sports presenter and commentator,
and was the first-ever presenter of ITV's 'World of Sport', but he was best
known as the host of This Is Your Life, Crackerjack and What's My Line? He
died in 1987.
Jo Andrews - former political correspondent and Deputy Political Editor at
ITN
Fiona Armstrong - presenter for Border Television's regional news programme
Lookaround; later a newscaster on ITN's News at Ten
Pamela Armstrong - ITN newscaster, 1983-1986.
Toni Arthur - occasional presenter on TV-am during the 1980s. She is best
known as a presenter on the BBC children's series Playschool and Play Away
during the 1970s.
Mark Austin - former main presenter of ITV Evening News and ITV News at Ten;
since joining ITN (on ITV) in 1986, having previously worked on BBC news
programmes; has specialised in a variety of roles including sports reporter,
foreign correspondent, and then newscaster for Channel 4 News
Lisa Aziz - former co-presenter for ITV Westcountry and news presenter on
TV-am
B Zeinab Badawi - first presenter of the ITV News at 5:30 and co-presented
Channel 4 News for several years, before joining BBC News
Llewella Bailey
Faye Barker - main newscaster for ITV News London at 5:30, January 2009 -
December 2012; continues to work with ITN across ITV London and ITV News
output
Carol Barnes - worked for ITN, 1975-2004, as both reporter and newscaster;
died in March 2008
Gaynor Barnes - presenter and journalist employed by ITV Yorkshire since
1991
Felicity Barr - first female sports correspondent for ITV News in 2001
Martin Bashir - left BBC in 1999 to join ITV, working on special documentary
programmes and features for Tonight. He rejoined the BBC in 2016 as their
Religious Affairs Correspondent.
Se�n Batty - meteorologist, currently working for STV
Andrea Benfield - journalist and presenter, ITV News: Wales at Six
Alex Beresford - weather presenter and journalist on ITV Breakfast programme
Daybreak and later on Good Morning Britain
Sangeeta Bhabra - journalist and presenter, ITV Meridian
Sally Biddulph - reporter and newsreader at ITV News Central and political
correspondent for Thames Valley Tonight in Westminster; joined ITN in 2009
as news correspondent, political correspondent and presenter on ITV News at
5:30, ITV News at 1:30 and ITV News Saturday prime-time bulletins;
newsreader for ITV News London since 2014.
David Bobin - sports presenter and reporter for Westward Television, TVS and
Meridian Television. He was also a main anchor on TVS's Coast To Coast. He
died in 2017.
Reginald Bosanquet - best known for presenting ITN bulletins in the 1970s;
joined ITN at its start in 1955 as a sub-editor; later reported from many
parts of the world and was the diplomatic correspondent for four years; held
the 'head anchor' title at ITN between 1974 and 1976, in the absence of
Alastair Burnet; died in 1984; son of the cricketer Bernard Bosanquet, who
famously invented the 'googly'.
Adam Boulton - political editor for TV-am during the 1980s. He later joined
Sky News
Tom Bradby - ITV News' political editor, July 2005 - October 2015; joined
ITN as an editorial trainee in 1990 and subsequently became producer for
Michael Brunson, ITN's political editor, in 1992; Ireland correspondent
1993-1996; Asia correspondent 1999-2001; then Royal correspondent for ITV
News; subsequently became UK editor before taking up the post of political
editor; gave up his position as political editor in October 2015 to become
sole anchor of ITV News at Ten
Colin Brazier - reporter on ITV
Fern Britton - television presenter, former co-anchor of the Southampton
edition of TVS local news programme Coast To Coast, best known as
co-presenter for ITV magazine programme This Morning, 1999-2009
Antony Brown (born 1922) - newsreader in the 1950s and 1960s. Announced the
assassination of President Kennedy. Co-author of historical fiction with
Norman MacKenzie under the joint pseudonym 'Anthony Forrest'. He died in
2001. He was the father of the BBC News presenter Ben Brown.[1][2]
Michael Brunson - Washington correspondent and diplomatic editor of ITN;
best known for serving as the political editor between 1986 and 2000 and as
an occasional ITN newscaster..
Lynda Bryans - weekend newscaster on UTV Live, 2001-2005
Kay Burley - newsreader, reporter and occasional main presenter on TV-am
from 1985 until 1988. She left to join the then-fledgling Sky News.
Sir Alastair Burnet - main presenter of News at Ten and ITN election
programmes from the early 1960s until his retirement in 1991; held the 'head
anchor' title at ITN from 1967 (the year News at Ten was launched) until
1991, except between 1972 and 1976 when he presented for the BBC and became
editor of the Daily Express; knighted as a Knight Bachelor in early 1984;
died in July 2012.
Gordon Burns - joined Ulster Television in his native Belfast in 1967 as a
sports presenter, later presenting the station's flagship programme UTV
Reports. He then moved to Granada Television, where he presented Granada
Reports and also worked on World In Action in the 1970s, but he is best
known as the long-serving host of Granada's prestigious quiz The Krypton
Factor from 1977 until 1995. He joined BBC North West in 1997, becoming the
main anchor on North West Tonight until his retirement in 2011.
Andrea Byrne
C Andrea Catherwood - former main presenter for ITV's weekend news bulletins;
joined ITN in April 1998, starting as a newscaster and senior reporter; in
these early years, she also presented the ITN Morning News and filed special
reports for News at Ten; became medical correspondent; left ITN in September
2006 to front the short-lived political programme The Sunday Edition
David Chater - award-winning former ITN international correspondent; joined
Sky News in 1993
Christopher Chataway
Ros Childs
Paul Clark - UTV Live presenter
Paul Coia - first-ever continuity announcer on Channel 4 in 1982. He had
previously been a continuity announcer for Scottish Television, and has
since presented a number of TV and radio programmes, including the BBC's
Pebble Mill At One and Catchword. He is married to fellow-broadcaster Debbie
Greenwood.
Stephen Cole - reporter for Central Television, Anglia Television's About
Anglia and ITN
Brian Connell - ITN newscaster during the late 1950s and early 1960s. He
died in 1999.
Dominic Cotton
Bob Crampton - long-serving presenter and weather forecaster on ITV1 West,
formerly HTV West, from 1983 until his retirement in 2018
Sarah Cullen - former ITN Home Affairs correspondent
D Anne Dawson
Robin Day - worked for ITN from 1955, the first British journalist to
interview Egypt's President Nasser after the Suez Crisis. Later moved to the
BBC. He died in 2000.
Jamie Delargy
Katie Derham - former media/arts editor and newscaster for ITV News;
presented the ITV Lunchtime News and London Tonight, both produced by ITN;
relief presenter for the ITV Evening News and ITV News at Ten; left ITN in
June 2010
Anne Diamond - hosted Good Morning Britain for TV-am, which lost its license
in 1992; began her television career starting with ATV Today and Central
News
Fred Dinenage - television host and newsreader, based in the south of
England; has appeared as presenter of many British television programmes,
including World of Sport, and quiz shows, such as Tell The Truth, Gambit and
Pass The Buck, and the children's series How. Most of these were produced by
Southern Television and its successors TVS and Meridian Broadcasting;
however, Dinenage has also worked for the BBC on occasions. He was a
presenter on ITV Meridian between 1983 and 2021.
Steve Dixon
Stephen Douglas
Murray Dron
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 by: Lars Anders - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 21:41 UTC

On 25 Mar 2022, Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote :

>> I hope Dialog does not permit running scripts in HTML content
>
> It doesn't.

I just test.
It only happen in COMPOSE message window body!
Not happen in MESSAGE VIEW message window body!

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 by: Bernd Rose - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 22:23 UTC

On Fr, 25th Mar 2022 21:46:11 +0100, Lars Anders wrote:

> Here is random test we can three of us use same for consistent.
> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_ITV_journalists_and_newsreaders
>
> SIMPLE TESTING:
> 1. Copy & paste above long list A-Z into Dialog message body below
> 2. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select UP
> 3. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select DOWN
>
> The difference in scroll time is 100 times much more slow on DOWN than UP!
> Very very noticing every time.
> No exception.

And from your message with Message-ID: <t1lcu1$1hlc$1@gioia.aioe.org>:
| It only happen in COMPOSE message window body!
| Not happen in MESSAGE VIEW message window body!

I just tested here and see no noticeable difference. Either your PC is
really slow, or some running process interferes, or there is a system-wide
setting for mouse selection speed. The last of the three is unlikely,
because you wrote, the difference only occurs inside the Compose window
and not the MessageView window. Both text windows have an identical type
(TPlusMemoU) and near-identical major properties.

My bets would go to an interfering third-party process.

Bernd

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 by: Lars Anders - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 23:46 UTC

On 25 Mar 2022, Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote :

> I just tested here and see no noticeable difference.

Am amazed.
Difference is big. But accept your test.

Good your data tests.
Must be me.
Wait to see VanguardLH test too.
Thanks.

> Either your PC is
> really slow, or some running process interferes, or there is a system-wide
> setting for mouse selection speed. The last of the three is unlikely,
> because you wrote, the difference only occurs inside the Compose window
> and not the MessageView window.

Yes. Only in window which COMPOSE is. Not MESSAGE view.
Only Compose. And only DOWN selection. Never up selection.
Speed CHANGES depending on how fast I move mouse with left button down too!
Slow.... slow.... line & line slow... then WHAM! FAST! Too fast!
Start over.

Maybe mouses driver problem?
Logitech.

Maybe I try different mouses.

> Both text windows have an identical type
> (TPlusMemoU) and near-identical major properties.
>
> My bets would go to an interfering third-party process.

My bets is mouses driver.
Thank you.

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 by: VanguardLH - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 04:43 UTC

Lars Anders wrote:

> On 25 Mar 2022, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :
>
>> The content selected is at the same rate as however you do the select
>> which you did not mention.
>
> I try start again better! :0)
>
> Here is random test we can three of us use same for consistent.
> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_ITV_journalists_and_newsreaders
>
> SIMPLE TESTING:
> 1. Copy & paste above long list A-Z into Dialog message body below
> 2. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select UP
> 3. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select DOWN
>
> The difference in scroll time is 100 times much more slow on DOWN than UP!
> Very very noticing every time.
> No exception.
>
> Why?

Does not happens for me. When I paste, I am pasting *text*, not HTML
code. There is no option within Dialog as to how to do the paste.

My clipboard manager (Clipmate) maintains an application profile of
content types that it detects are used for an application. For Dialog,
it has only the text and Rich-Text content types enabled. That is, it
won't paste HTML, just text or RTF into a compose window. So, my
clipboard manager is assisting me by not pasting in a clip whose content
type is not compatible, or has not been used, with an app.

You are pasting HTML code into your new message in the compose window.
That's why I said HTML can screw up not only formatting, but also
behavior, when you copying it elsewhere, especially if only pasting an
incomplete HTML document.

I don't know if you participate in HTML-allowed newsgroups. I haven't
been in any for 3 decades, my entire time in Usenet. When posting in
text-only newsgroups (and that's the vast majority of them), HTML is
considered impolite, and users may flag or filter out any posts where
the MIME type is text/html.

I can edit the app profile in my clip manager to add/remove content
types for what I want to support when pasting clips into an app.
However, just because I enable a content type doesn't mean the app will
support it. Before I discovered this feature in the clipboard manager,
I also had another tool that lets me paste in only a text version of a
clip called PureText; see:

https://stevemiller.net/puretext/

To paste, you normally use Ctrl+V. To get the text-only copy of a clip
(the last one in the clipboard since Windows 10 added a history to their
own clipboard manager), the default key combo is Win+V; however, that
conflicted with the Windows 10 clipboard history manager (which I still
want despite I use a different clipboard manager that has history), I
changed it to Ctrl+Shift+V. When I want to ensure I copy a plain text
version of a clip, I use that key combo.

With pasting of HTML content, you don't know the HTML tags used within
to define the document. While scripts are not supported (well, not ran,
but they'll get copied when pasting), there are lots of HTML code that
affects how content is rendered. Likely it's that rendering that is
causing problems when scrolling through the HTML-formatted content that
you pasted into a new message.

Don't paste HTML-formatted content into Usenet messages unless you know
the newsgroup allows HTML-formatted content. You should be using plain
text in Usenet messages. Usenet was not intended for HTML messaging.
If you just must present an HTML version of the content, insert a URL
into your message pointing at where is the HTML content.

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 by: VanguardLH - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 05:02 UTC

VanguardLH wrote:

> I don't know if you participate in HTML-allowed newsgroups. I haven't
> been in any for 3 decades, my entire time in Usenet. When posting in
> text-only newsgroups (and that's the vast majority of them), HTML is
> considered impolite, and users may flag or filter out any posts where
> the MIME type is text/html.

It's not just users that may use rules/filters to eliminate/delete/hide
HTML-formatted messages, but servers can, too. Many NNTP servers only
allow plain text messages, and will discard and not peer to other
servers any messages in HTML format.

You might like using HTML to make pretty messages for e-mail, but don't
use HTML in Usenet messages. Usenet is text based.

This isn't just me orating on the sins of using HTML in Usenet. The
author of Dialog has a "Writing Style on Usenet" section in Help:

Special note to users of Netscape Communicator and MicroSoft Internet
News or Outlook Express: Please don't attach Vcards to your post or
post in HTML. Many newsreaders are unable to properly interpret the
code, making the message hard to read, so many people will just skip
those messages. Also, some major ISPs are filtering out any posts
which contain HTML, so your message will be poorly propagated.

Yes, there are NNTP servers that will reject HTML formatted messages on
submission, and may not accept an HTML-formatted message peered from
another NNTP server. Usenet is text. HTML is rude. You can search
online to find many articles about Usenet netiquette that recommend
against using HTML format in Usenet messages.

I've never participated in newsgroups where HTML is accepted. My guess
is you should see .html appended to the newsgroup name for where HTML is
acceptable, but maybe other newsgroups accept HTML. There is a whole
process of adding a newsgroup to the Big-8 set of newsgroups (not to the
alt.* newsgroups). After discussion (forget which newsgroup that is,
maybe news.groups or news.groups.proposals), a poll calls for votes in
news.announce.newsgroups, and if accepted the same newsgroup announced
the addition, but an NNTP admin must add the newsgroup, and ensure it
gets peered. As part of the announcement, a manifest is posted that
states the purpose of the new newsgroup. One of the declarations what
content type is allowed, like only text or text and HTML. Good luck on
finding the manifests. There might not be or is no longer a manifest,
or the manifest doesn't declare what content types are allowed in
messages, but that's likely due to the assumption that Usenet is text.

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 by: Bernd Rose - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 07:28 UTC

On Fr, 25th Mar 2022 23:43:00 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

> When I paste, I am pasting *text*, not HTML code. There is no option
> within Dialog as to how to do the paste.
[...]
> You are pasting HTML code into your new message in the compose window.

Dialog only supports /reading/ of Html messages. Outgoing messages are
always text-only. Therefore, the composition window only accepts content
from clipboard, that is labeled as text (CF_TEXT, CF_UNICODETEXT).

Whenever Html text is copied /into/ the clipboard, the Windows system
functions create an additional (reduced) text-only representation of
that Html content. That's the text used when "Html" content is inserted
into the Dialog composition window.

Bernd

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 by: Bernd Rose - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 07:43 UTC

On Sat, 26th Mar 2022 00:46:45 +0100, Lars Anders wrote:

[Text selection (scrolling) speed]
> Yes. Only in window which COMPOSE is. Not MESSAGE view.
> Only Compose. And only DOWN selection. Never up selection.
> Speed CHANGES depending on how fast I move mouse with left button down too!
> Slow.... slow.... line & line slow... then WHAM! FAST! Too fast!
> Start over.
>
> Maybe mouses driver problem?

Please bear in mind, that selection speed increases with distance between
mouse pointer position and current position of the selection. So, if you
want slow selection speed, don't drag the mouse pointer far below the
bottom of the Compose window. Instead, hover it just below the current
end of the selection block. (Or only a few pixels below the text entry
pane, once the selection has reached the bottom of the visible area.)

The same applies when selecting upwards. You probably just do not drag
the mouse pointer as far above the upper selection end as you do with
the lower selection end when selecting downwards.

This is system-wide behavior, btw. So you should encounter this effect
in other programs, as well.

Bernd

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 by: VanguardLH - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 12:01 UTC

Bernd Rose wrote:

> On Fr, 25th Mar 2022 23:43:00 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> When I paste, I am pasting *text*, not HTML code. There is no option
>> within Dialog as to how to do the paste.
> [...]
>> You are pasting HTML code into your new message in the compose window.
>
> Dialog only supports /reading/ of Html messages. Outgoing messages are
> always text-only. Therefore, the composition window only accepts content
> from clipboard, that is labeled as text (CF_TEXT, CF_UNICODETEXT).
>
> Whenever Html text is copied /into/ the clipboard, the Windows system
> functions create an additional (reduced) text-only representation of
> that Html content. That's the text used when "Html" content is inserted
> into the Dialog composition window.
>
> Bernd

Okay, explains why when I pasted the content of the OP's example article
that I got only text in the new message composition window. I had no
slow down in either direction when selecting text in the body pane of
the composition window. I tried both dragging with the mouse to select
past the window size to force scrolling up and down, and also using
shift+arrowkey to select text beyond the window size to scroll up and
down while selecting. Selection was not slowed during scrolling in
either direction.

Since it is just text in Dialog's composition window in the body pane,
perhaps the OP should try pasting the article into Notepad to see if
scroll selection is faster in one direction over the other direction.
Doesn't seem Dialog could be at fault if it is just text-only being
selected during a scroll operation.

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