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* Google GroupsMike W
+- Re: Google GroupsChris Elvidge
+* Re: Google GroupsLawrence D'Oliveiro
|`- Re: Google GroupsThe Natural Philosopher
+* Re: Google Groups68g.1499
|+* Re: Google GroupsKees Nuyt
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|`* Re: Google GroupsSalud
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| +* Re: Google GroupsBob Latham
| |`* Re: Google GroupsLawrence D'Oliveiro
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| |  +* Re: Google GroupsTimS
| |  |`* Re: Google GroupsThe Natural Philosopher
| |  | `- Re: Google GroupsMike Powell
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| |    | `- Re: Google GroupsThe Natural Philosopher
| |    `* Re: Google GroupsLawrence D'Oliveiro
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 by: Bob Latham - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 09:27 UTC

In article <upua17$12n7l$1@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 17:45:37 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham wrote:

> > 1. Far from convinced that this publication is anything like even
> > handed. Looks like the Guardian in attitude.

> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a textbook example of what we
> call ”circular reasoning•.

I know nothing of arstechnica but I am very aware that the Guardian
like the BBC is not interested in the truth at all. They are only
interested in pushing a narrative. Subversion really.

Bob.

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 by: Jim Jackson - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 12:23 UTC

On 2024-02-07, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <upua17$12n7l$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 17:45:37 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham wrote:
>
>> > 1. Far from convinced that this publication is anything like even
>> > handed. Looks like the Guardian in attitude.
>
>> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a textbook example of what we
>> call ?circular reasoning?.
>
> I know nothing of arstechnica but I am very aware that the Guardian
> like the BBC is not interested in the truth at all. They are only
> interested in pushing a narrative. Subversion really.
>
> Bob.
>

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 by: Jim Jackson - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 12:24 UTC

On 2024-02-07, Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
> On 2024-02-07, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <upua17$12n7l$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 17:45:37 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham wrote:
>>
>>> > 1. Far from convinced that this publication is anything like even
>>> > handed. Looks like the Guardian in attitude.
>>
>>> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a textbook example of what we
>>> call ?circular reasoning?.
>>
>> I know nothing of arstechnica but I am very aware that the Guardian
>> like the BBC is not interested in the truth at all. They are only
>> interested in pushing a narrative. Subversion really.

mmmmm a nuanced approach to truth, not!

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 12:43 UTC

On 07/02/2024 12:24, Jim Jackson wrote:
> On 2024-02-07, Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-07, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <upua17$12n7l$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 17:45:37 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham wrote:
>>>
>>>>> 1. Far from convinced that this publication is anything like even
>>>>> handed. Looks like the Guardian in attitude.
>>>
>>>> And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a textbook example of what we
>>>> call ?circular reasoning?.
>>>
>>> I know nothing of arstechnica but I am very aware that the Guardian
>>> like the BBC is not interested in the truth at all. They are only
>>> interested in pushing a narrative. Subversion really.
>
> mmmmm a nuanced approach to truth, not!

Correct.
They are both carefully crafted to let you know what 'other intelligent
people like you are thinking'

So that by thinking exactly the same, you can pass as 'intelligent'.

--
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

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 by: Mike Powell - Tue, 6 Feb 2024 20:40 UTC

> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> > done against Trump is seen as moral and good by the Democrats.

> .It is a sad commentary on the United States that out of over 340
> million people Biden and Trump are their options for leaders, are they
> *really* the best the country has to offer ?

I would like to think not, as an American, but I am afraid they are going
to be our choices again. Biden wouldn't step aside, and Trump has too many
followers for anyone else to get nominated. Tim Scott seemed rather
sensible, which is why he was out early. Sadly, most Americans no longer
like sensible.

* SLMR 2.1a * This is a School-Free Drug Zone.

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 by: Mike Powell - Tue, 6 Feb 2024 20:48 UTC

> > Anything, no matter how disgusting done against Trump is seen as
> > moral and good by the Democrats. Hatred of Trump is close to
> > destroying any pretence that the USA is democratic if it hasn't done
> > so already.
> >
> That is what worries me. It started in the UK with Blair, who defended
> supporting the USA using faked dossiers to bring the UK parliament
> onside with the famous 'I believed what I was doing was right'...
> It was illegal, it was a high level state crime to deceive parliament,
> but as long as he believed it was right, then it was OK.

The big problem here is that, early on, the other side was actually
throwing a bunch of allegations at Trump that had little basis on actual
facts. If they had waited, we now know they could have found plenty of stuff
that was based on facts.

Now, when anything comes out, even if it is something right out of Trump's
own mouth, his supporters believe that it falls into the former category
rather than opening their eyes and realizing he's really done something
wrong... like claiming that Presidents should have full immunity.

For them, it is like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and they won't even listen to
people who aren't Democrats and that used to agree with them.

* SLMR 2.1a * A Crucifix? Oy vey, have YOU got the wrong vampire...

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 by: Mike Powell - Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:04 UTC

> Well they are good at cutting off their noses to spite their face:

I think you've missed a few things.

> 2) Believing *rigidly* in the Constitution, instead of being more flexible
> about it

Only when it suits them. When it doesn't, they will try to make it quite
flexible and twist it into what they want to believe... like that a
President has full immunity from criminal prosecution... and not at all
what it says.

> 4) Having judges be elected, and having them be allowed to decide policy
> matters such as abortion based on some spurious interpretation of the
> Constitution, instead of such questions being decided by the legislatures,
> where they belong.

In the case of abortion, unelected, appointed justices decided to do just
that... turn it back to the states and their legislatures. If you are
pro-choice, this has turned out to be a bad thing for you in many states.

I am not sure that having judges be elected is a bad thing so long as they
have to meet qualifications in order to be on the ballot. The alternative
is to have them appointed, which means they will still have biases... it
would be the biases of those who appoint vs. those who elect. Assuming
they work as other appointments, if they run afoul of the political beliefs
of the appointing authority, they get removed and replaced by someone who
will do what they are told.

At least when they are elected, if they do a horrible job you can get rid
of them come next election.

How does your country manage to completely get around political bias when
it comes to judges? Honest question as here I don't see a way around it.

> 5) Allowing political advertising on TV and radio.

Not sure of the issue here. If the candidates could not advertise at all,
sadly most Americans would just vote based on the party the candidate is
aligned with. Come to think of it, that is probably how most do it anyway.
However, for me, "pro-candidate" advertising often highlights something a
candidate stands for that I really don't like, which prompts me to research
the issue more and can often lead me to realize that the candidate "my
party" has put forward is not the candidate for me.

I do wish there were not so many political ads, and it would be nice if the
ads could only mention what the candidate supports, and not mention the
other candidate at all. Most of our ads spend the majority of their air
time talking about how bad the other candidate is and very little time on the
candidate they are supporting.

* SLMR 2.1a * Those who live by the sword... kill those who don't.

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On 06/02/2024 18:18, TimS wrote:
> etc etc. The real problem with Trump is that he is stupid. But there again,
> the Democrats in the US have only themselves to blame for the rise of Trump:
> they've spent the last several years sneering at and belittling the lower and
> lower-middle class in the US. Which has now had enough of it.

This. Now the Democrats are stuck with a stupid problem they cannot get
rid of.

* SLMR 2.1a * 5 billion years the earth takes to form, and we get THIS?

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 by: Scott Alfter - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 16:26 UTC

In article <upvb9o$1b4u9$1@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 04:52:58 GMT, Scott Alfter wrote:
>
>> In article <l2fnmrFugagU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>>Well they are good at cutting off their noses to spite their face:
>>>
>>>1) Not controlling guns severely
>>
>> ...because that's working so well for you. /rolleyes
>
>It’s worked really well in Australia. That’s what scares the US
>gun nuts.

By "worked really well," you meant to say that crime has skyrocketed, right?
You are aware that criminals don't obey laws, right?

https://crimeresearch.org/2016/04/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

https://gununiversity.com/australias-gun-ban-and-its-effect-on-crime/

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-australias-gun-laws-reduced-gun-homicides/

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 by: Scott Alfter - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 16:29 UTC

In article <20240207075805.651d9d7c272b3e87888bbbd3@eircom.net>,
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 04:52:58 GMT
>scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) wrote:
>
>> In article <l2fnmrFugagU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>> >Well they are good at cutting off their noses to spite their face:
>> >
>> >1) Not controlling guns severely
>>
>> ...because that's working so well for you. /rolleyes
>
> Nobody here sees their child die because someone back along the
>road got angry and missed when they shot at the driver who annoyed them.

Instead, they get stabbed and cut with knives. What's next, knife bans?
Oh, wait...they're already doing that:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-measures-to-restrict-access-to-corrosives-and-knives

Where does it stop?

> America most certainly does have a gun problem.

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns.

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 by: TimS - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 17:23 UTC

On 06 Feb 2024 at 21:04:00 GMT, "Mike Powell" <Mike Powell> wrote:

>> Well they are good at cutting off their noses to spite their face:

>> 4) Having judges be elected, and having them be allowed to decide policy
>> matters such as abortion based on some spurious interpretation of the
>> Constitution, instead of such questions being decided by the legislatures,
>> where they belong.
>
> In the case of abortion, unelected, appointed justices decided to do just
> that... turn it back to the states and their legislatures.

The US Supremem Court should not have been involved in the first place. In
Europe, abortion is not so contentious an issue precisely because it is
legislated about by elected politicians. Beware of judicial overreach.

> If you are pro-choice, this has turned out to be a bad thing for you in many
> states.

Well I agree.

> I am not sure that having judges be elected is a bad thing so long as they
> have to meet qualifications in order to be on the ballot.

The prime concern of anyone who is elected, is to get re-elected. So DAs and
judges are likely to fall over themselves to appear to be "tough on crime". So
they want high conviction rates. So in the pre-trial conference, the defendant
might be offered that they'll get 3 years if they cop a plea, but 40 years if
they defend the case and are convicted. You ever hear of a US judge
disqualifying himself because of such a clear conflict of interest? Seems to
me that in the US, you don't get justice, you get law - and plenty of it. Plea
bargaining is pernicious under such circumstances; it also means that the
evidence is never tested in court.

> The alternative is to have them appointed, which means they will still have
> biases... it
> would be the biases of those who appoint vs. those who elect.

Central government appoints ours. And don't imagine that this means that our
judges are political. They tend to be independently minded. I'm not sure if
there is a simple mechansim to remove them, either.

>> 5) Allowing political advertising on TV and radio.

We also don't allow it in the print media. On TV, there are 5 minute slots
called "Party Political Broadcasts", with a strictly limited number allowed .
Not sure whether or how the content is regulated.

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 by: TimS - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 17:45 UTC

On 07 Feb 2024 at 04:52:58 GMT, "Scott Alfter" <Scott Alfter> wrote:

> In article <l2fnmrFugagU1@mid.individual.net>,
> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>> Well they are good at cutting off their noses to spite their face:
>>
>> 1) Not controlling guns severely
>
> ...because that's working so well for you. /rolleyes

Certainly is. I just compare the annual number of murders by firearms in the
UK (35 in 2021) with that of the US (7,500 to 10,000 or so).

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 17:52 UTC

On 07/02/2024 17:23, TimS wrote:
> Central government appoints ours. And don't imagine that this means that our
> judges are political.

All the ones appointed by Bliar are.

As hard left and bolshy as can be.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 17:55 UTC

On 07/02/2024 17:45, TimS wrote:
> On 07 Feb 2024 at 04:52:58 GMT, "Scott Alfter" <Scott Alfter> wrote:
>
>> In article <l2fnmrFugagU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>> Well they are good at cutting off their noses to spite their face:
>>>
>>> 1) Not controlling guns severely
>>
>> ...because that's working so well for you. /rolleyes
>
> Certainly is. I just compare the annual number of murders by firearms in the
> UK (35 in 2021) with that of the US (7,500 to 10,000 or so).
>

In the UK disputes tend to end in grievous bodily harm, at worst. There
are a lot of stabbings on the streets but no one gets shot.
Guns are hard to come by and carry extreme penalties if convicted with one.

The problem is not that NRA dudes are rampant murderers, but that guns
are so available it becomes the weapon of *choice*. For any nutcase.
Here it tends to be machetes these days...or a stolen vehicle

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 by: TimS - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 18:03 UTC

On 07 Feb 2024 at 17:55:47 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/02/2024 17:45, TimS wrote:
>> On 07 Feb 2024 at 04:52:58 GMT, "Scott Alfter" <Scott Alfter> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <l2fnmrFugagU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> Well they are good at cutting off their noses to spite their face:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Not controlling guns severely
>>>
>>> ...because that's working so well for you. /rolleyes
>>
>> Certainly is. I just compare the annual number of murders by firearms in the
>> UK (35 in 2021) with that of the US (7,500 to 10,000 or so).
>
> In the UK disputes tend to end in grievous bodily harm, at worst. There
> are a lot of stabbings on the streets but no one gets shot.
> Guns are hard to come by and carry extreme penalties if convicted with one.
>
> The problem is not that NRA dudes are rampant murderers, but that guns
> are so available it becomes the weapon of *choice*. For any nutcase.
> Here it tends to be machetes these days...or a stolen vehicle

Friend Scott overlooks that with a knife, there is some chance of running away
from the situation. Rather less so if Chummy can plug you with his handgun
from a distance.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 19:23 UTC

On 7 Feb 2024 18:03:18 GMT
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

> Friend Scott overlooks that with a knife, there is some chance of running
> away from the situation. Rather less so if Chummy can plug you with his
> handgun from a distance.

There is also a lot less chance of stabbing the wrong person from a
distance, or even at all.

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 19:44 UTC

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:27:44 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham wrote:

> I know nothing of arstechnica but I am very aware that the Guardian like
> the BBC is not interested in the truth at all.

Did you hear this from some random loony on Facebook?

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 19:50 UTC

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:40:00 +1300, Mike Powell wrote:

>> .It is a sad commentary on the United States that out of over 340
>> million people Biden and Trump are their options for leaders, are they
>> *really* the best the country has to offer ?
>
> I would like to think not, as an American, but I am afraid they are
> going to be our choices again. Biden wouldn't step aside, and Trump has
> too many followers for anyone else to get nominated.

In all the good democracies, you have a realistic choice of more than two
parties to vote for, and the ones running for election are not the ones
running the election.

<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/democracy-index-eiu> -- notice the USA
is only in the third-from-top decile.

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 by: Salud - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:25 UTC

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 17:52:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 07/02/2024 17:23, TimS wrote:
>> Central government appoints ours. And don't imagine that this means
>> that our judges are political.
>
> All the ones appointed by Bliar are.
>
> As hard left and bolshy as can be.

Says a hard right nutcase.

<yawn>

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 21:20 UTC

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 16:29:23 GMT, Scott Alfter wrote:

> Instead, they get stabbed and cut with knives.

Yeah, imagine if that Las Vegas shooter up on the 32nd floor didn’t have
guns to shoot people in the street with, he would have just thrown knives.
Because knives thrown with bare hands cause just as much carnage as an
AR15, don’t they.

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 21:21 UTC

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 16:26:23 GMT, Scott Alfter wrote:

> In article <upvb9o$1b4u9$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>It’s worked really well in Australia. That’s what scares the US gun
>>nuts.
>
> By "worked really well," you meant to say that crime has skyrocketed,
> right?

I mean that mass shootings have become something of a rarity in Australia
now. Whereas they are a weekly occurrence in the USA.

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 by: Scott Alfter - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 23:36 UTC

In article <uq0s9j$1jgqa$3@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 16:26:23 GMT, Scott Alfter wrote:
>
>> In article <upvb9o$1b4u9$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>It’s worked really well in Australia. That’s what scares the US gun
>>>nuts.
>>
>> By "worked really well," you meant to say that crime has skyrocketed,
>> right?
>
>I mean that mass shootings have become something of a rarity in Australia
>now. Whereas they are a weekly occurrence in the USA.

Hardly, at least not in the civilized parts of the country. Somewhere like
Chicago or DC (to pick a couple)? They're getting what they voted for, good
and hard, and them doing more of the same isn't going to improve their lot.

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 by: Scott Alfter - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 23:43 UTC

In article <l2huv6Fbmt3U1@mid.individual.net>,
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>Friend Scott overlooks that with a knife, there is some chance of
>running away
>from the situation. Rather less so if Chummy can plug you with his handgun
>from a distance.

If a bad guy with a knife manages to close to within about 21', you're
pretty much fucked. He can slice or stab you faster than you can either
(1) back off and run away or (2) get your gun ready.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=js0haocH4-o

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Thu, 8 Feb 2024 03:58 UTC

On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 23:36:18 GMT, Scott Alfter wrote:

> In article <uq0s9j$1jgqa$3@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I mean that mass shootings have become something of a rarity in
>>Australia now. Whereas they are a weekly occurrence in the USA.
>
> Hardly, at least not in the civilized parts of the country. Somewhere
> like Chicago or DC (to pick a couple)?

Interesting that you tend to pick on those places, rather than, say,
Massachusetts and Hawaii, which have gun-control laws that work.

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 by: Bob Latham - Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:55 UTC

In article <uq0miv$1iire$1@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:27:44 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham wrote:

> > I know nothing of arstechnica but I am very aware that the
> > Guardian like the BBC is not interested in the truth at all.

> Did you hear this from some random loony on Facebook?

I don't have a Facebook account.

My opinion was formed by own experiences and observations.

Why is someone who holds a different view from you a loony? Are you
so secure in your rectitude that insulting opponents is your right?

Bob.

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