“GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/

The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?

Lynn

On 11/14/2023 2:48 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> “GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
> Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
>
> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/
>
> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?
>
No.

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dirty old man.

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:48:57 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> “GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
> Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
>
> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/
>
> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?

Nah.Already got a better one.

Pt

On 11/14/2023 11:04 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:48:57 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> “GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
>> Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/
>>
>> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?
>
> Nah.Already got a better one.
>
> Pt

Which model ?

Lynn

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:48:57=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wro=
>te:
>> =E2=80=9CGQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Gei=
>ger=20
>> Counter Radiation Dosimeter=E2=80=9D=20
>>=20
>> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z=
>675M/=20
>>=20
>> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?=20
>
>Nah.Already got a better one.
>
>Pt

I've a CD V-742 pocket bendix dosimeter that came from a decomissioned fallout shelter.

I didn't get the device that resets it, however, so after 60 years,
it's pegged at the high-end (200 roentgens)

https://orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/civil-defense/cdv-instruments/cdv-742.html

On 11/15/2023 7:06 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:48:57=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wro=
>> te:
>>> =E2=80=9CGQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Gei=
>> ger=20
>>> Counter Radiation Dosimeter=E2=80=9D=20
>>> =20
>>> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z=
>> 675M/=20
>>> =20
>>> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?=20
>>
>> Nah.Already got a better one.
>>
>> Pt
>
> I've a CD V-742 pocket bendix dosimeter that came from a decomissioned fallout shelter.
>
> I didn't get the device that resets it, however, so after 60 years,
> it's pegged at the high-end (200 roentgens)
>
> https://orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/civil-defense/cdv-instruments/cdv-742.html

One assumes that your self-illumination ability cuts down your
electricity bills.

--
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dirty old man.

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 15:06:12 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>I've a CD V-742 pocket bendix dosimeter that came from a decomissioned fallout shelter.
>
>I didn't get the device that resets it, however, so after 60 years,
>it's pegged at the high-end (200 roentgens)
>
>https://orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/civil-defense/cdv-instruments/cdv-742.html

Spread over 60 years it's not all that surprising that you may have
had what would have been a lethal dose had you had it all at once!

Great story though.

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 11/14/2023 11:04 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:48:57 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> “GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
>>> Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/
>>>
>>> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?
>>
>> Nah.Already got a better one.
>>
>> Pt
>
>Which model ?

The one you urled is based on the cheap Russian geiger tubes which are
not sensitive to alpha radiation because it's expensive to include an
alpha window. A broader spectrum counter is much more useful, and with
a penetration wedge you can do a fair job of getting rough wavelength
estimates which you can't do so effectively without the alpha window.

Same goes for those awful Civil-Defense branded Victoreen survey meters
that turn up on the surplus market all the time... they miss most radiation
sources because of the lack of alpha sensitivity.

There are plenty of better meters out there... the Mineralab Monitor Four
is the one that our safety guys recommend on a budget.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>I've a CD V-742 pocket bendix dosimeter that came from a decomissioned fallout shelter.
>
>I didn't get the device that resets it, however, so after 60 years,
>it's pegged at the high-end (200 roentgens)
>
>https://orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/civil-defense/cdv-instruments/cdv-742.html

This is the opposite of a geiger counter; it measures the area under the
curve of the radiation level rather than the radiation level. It's actually
a fancy electrometer in disguise and the device that resets it is really just
a DC power supply. If you can find a 300V bench supply, they can be zeroed
out easily.

The charge does leak out and they will drift with time if not regularly
zeroed, so finding one in a drawer that is maxed out doesn't necessarily
mean a lot of cumulative radiation has hit it. So if you try and use it
to play a gag on the health physics guy at work, it won't work.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>I've a CD V-742 pocket bendix dosimeter that came from a decomissioned fallout shelter.
>>
>>I didn't get the device that resets it, however, so after 60 years,
>>it's pegged at the high-end (200 roentgens)
>>
>>https://orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/civil-defense/cdv-instruments/cdv-742.html
>
>This is the opposite of a geiger counter; it measures the area under the
>curve of the radiation level rather than the radiation level. It's actually
>a fancy electrometer in disguise and the device that resets it is really just
>a DC power supply. If you can find a 300V bench supply, they can be zeroed
>out easily.

Yes. I did find a CD booklet on how to build the charger. I actually
have a 70's bench supply somewhere in the attic.

On 11/16/2023 1:28 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/14/2023 11:04 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:48:57 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> “GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
>>>> Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/
>>>>
>>>> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?
>>>
>>> Nah.Already got a better one.
>>>
>>> Pt
>>
>> Which model ?
>
> The one you urled is based on the cheap Russian geiger tubes which are
> not sensitive to alpha radiation because it's expensive to include an
> alpha window. A broader spectrum counter is much more useful, and with
> a penetration wedge you can do a fair job of getting rough wavelength
> estimates which you can't do so effectively without the alpha window.
>
> Same goes for those awful Civil-Defense branded Victoreen survey meters
> that turn up on the surplus market all the time... they miss most radiation
> sources because of the lack of alpha sensitivity.
>
> There are plenty of better meters out there... the Mineralab Monitor Four
> is the one that our safety guys recommend on a budget.
> --scott

Wow, $679 at Big River.
https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-9000-Radiation-Contamination/dp/B008TVSQU8/

Cheaper model at $349.
https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-7000-Handheld-Radiation/dp/B00P7B6J8Y/

Lynn

On 11/16/2023 2:01 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 11/16/2023 1:28 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/14/2023 11:04 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:48:57 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> “GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
>>>>> Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/
>>>>>
>>>>> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?
>>>>
>>>> Nah.Already got a better one.
>>>>
>>>> Pt
>>>
>>> Which model ?
>>
>> The one you urled is based on the cheap Russian geiger tubes which are
>> not sensitive to alpha radiation because it's expensive to include an
>> alpha window.  A broader spectrum counter is much more useful, and with
>> a penetration wedge you can do a fair job of getting rough wavelength
>> estimates which you can't do so effectively without the alpha window.
>>
>> Same goes for those awful Civil-Defense branded Victoreen survey meters
>> that turn up on the surplus market all the time... they miss most
>> radiation
>> sources because of the lack of alpha sensitivity.
>>
>> There are plenty of better meters out there... the Mineralab Monitor Four
>> is the one that our safety guys recommend on a budget.
>> --scott
>
> Wow, $679 at Big River.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-9000-Radiation-Contamination/dp/B008TVSQU8/
>
> Cheaper model at $349.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-7000-Handheld-Radiation/dp/B00P7B6J8Y/
>
"How much would you pay to not glow in the dark?"

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 11/16/2023 4:54 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 11/16/2023 2:01 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 11/16/2023 1:28 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/14/2023 11:04 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:48:57 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> “GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
>>>>>> Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah.Already got a better one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pt
>>>>
>>>> Which model ?
>>>
>>> The one you urled is based on the cheap Russian geiger tubes which are
>>> not sensitive to alpha radiation because it's expensive to include an
>>> alpha window.  A broader spectrum counter is much more useful, and with
>>> a penetration wedge you can do a fair job of getting rough wavelength
>>> estimates which you can't do so effectively without the alpha window.
>>>
>>> Same goes for those awful Civil-Defense branded Victoreen survey meters
>>> that turn up on the surplus market all the time... they miss most
>>> radiation
>>> sources because of the lack of alpha sensitivity.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of better meters out there... the Mineralab Monitor
>>> Four
>>> is the one that our safety guys recommend on a budget.
>>> --scott
>>
>> Wow, $679 at Big River.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-9000-Radiation-Contamination/dp/B008TVSQU8/
>>
>> Cheaper model at $349.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-7000-Handheld-Radiation/dp/B00P7B6J8Y/
>>
> "How much would you pay to not glow in the dark?"

These devices just tell you much you are going to glow in the dark.
They do not stop the process.

Lynn

On 11/16/2023 5:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 11/16/2023 4:54 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 11/16/2023 2:01 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 11/16/2023 1:28 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/14/2023 11:04 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:48:57 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> “GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
>>>>>>> Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah.Already got a better one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pt
>>>>>
>>>>> Which model ?
>>>>
>>>> The one you urled is based on the cheap Russian geiger tubes which are
>>>> not sensitive to alpha radiation because it's expensive to include an
>>>> alpha window.  A broader spectrum counter is much more useful, and with
>>>> a penetration wedge you can do a fair job of getting rough wavelength
>>>> estimates which you can't do so effectively without the alpha window.
>>>>
>>>> Same goes for those awful Civil-Defense branded Victoreen survey meters
>>>> that turn up on the surplus market all the time... they miss most
>>>> radiation
>>>> sources because of the lack of alpha sensitivity.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of better meters out there... the Mineralab Monitor
>>>> Four
>>>> is the one that our safety guys recommend on a budget.
>>>> --scott
>>>
>>> Wow, $679 at Big River.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-9000-Radiation-Contamination/dp/B008TVSQU8/
>>>
>>> Cheaper model at $349.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-7000-Handheld-Radiation/dp/B00P7B6J8Y/
>>>
>> "How much would you pay to not glow in the dark?"
>
> These devices just tell you much you are going to glow in the dark. They
> do not stop the process.
>
I prefer to think of it as "You just walked into someplace that will
make you glow in the dark if you don't LEAVE RIGHT NOW!"

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:48:57 PM UTC-7, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> “GQ GMC-320S Digital Nuclear Radiation Detector Monitor Meter Geiger
> Counter Radiation Dosimeter”
>
> https://www.amazon.com/GQ-GMC-320S-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter/dp/B0B53Z675M/
>
> The perfect Christmas gift for 2023 ?

I certainly _hope_ not!

John Savard

On 11/16/2023 7:16 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
....
>>>>> There are plenty of better meters out there... the Mineralab
>>>>> Monitor Four
>>>>> is the one that our safety guys recommend on a budget.
>>>>> --scott
>>>>
>>>> Wow, $679 at Big River.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-9000-Radiation-Contamination/dp/B008TVSQU8/
>>>>
>>>> Cheaper model at $349.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-7000-Handheld-Radiation/dp/B00P7B6J8Y/
>>>>
>>> "How much would you pay to not glow in the dark?"
>>
>> These devices just tell you much you are going to glow in the dark.
>> They do not stop the process.
>>
> I prefer to think of it as "You just walked into someplace that will
> make you glow in the dark if you don't LEAVE RIGHT NOW!"

Yes, that too. Also if you want to test the gasoline before you put it
in your vehicle if the Middle East goes all glowy. We still get a
little bit of crude oil from the Middle East in the USA, not much though.

My home is about 25 miles away from an old Air Force Base, Ellington.
When the F-16s take off on afterburner and climb hard I can hear them in
my house. I am not sure if the AFB is a target but the 10+ oil
refineries close to it on the Houston Ship Channel are definitely a target.

Lynn

On 11/16/2023 5:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 11/16/2023 7:16 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> ...
>>>>>> There are plenty of better meters out there... the Mineralab
>>>>>> Monitor Four
>>>>>> is the one that our safety guys recommend on a budget.
>>>>>> --scott
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, $679 at Big River.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-9000-Radiation-Contamination/dp/B008TVSQU8/
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheaper model at $349.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-7000-Handheld-Radiation/dp/B00P7B6J8Y/
>>>>>
>>>> "How much would you pay to not glow in the dark?"
>>>
>>> These devices just tell you much you are going to glow in the dark.
>>> They do not stop the process.
>>>
>> I prefer to think of it as "You just walked into someplace that will
>> make you glow in the dark if you don't LEAVE RIGHT NOW!"
>
> Yes, that too.  Also if you want to test the gasoline before you put it
> in your vehicle if the Middle East goes all glowy.  We still get a
> little bit of crude oil from the Middle East in the USA, not much though.
>
> My home is about 25 miles away from an old Air Force Base, Ellington.
> When the F-16s take off on afterburner and climb hard I can hear them in
> my house.  I am not sure if the AFB is a target but the 10+ oil
> refineries close to it on the Houston Ship Channel are definitely a target.
>
The AFB would be the target.

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We had possibly the highest
density of military installations in North America before the Berlin
Wall fell, including the HQ for Western Defense Command. THAT was a
target the Soviets would have hit with enough warheads to boil the bay
dry. And a few more for Hamilton AFB on the other side of me, the place
that all military personnel going to or from Vietnam from North America
went thru. Alameda Naval Air Station, Hunter's Point, etc. etc. etc.
You simply could not live here at that time without absorbing some
knowledge of military targeting priorities.

Here's a bit of historical trivia for you. When you cross the Golden
Gate Bridge going north out of San Francisco, the highway winds up a
should of a mountain and then thru a two bore tunnel before heading back
down. That county when it was making Civil Defense plans during the
Cold War considered using those tunnels as shelters. Until someone
pointed out that the south end of the tunnels pointed directly at the
Presidio (the location of that Western Defense Command) only about 3
miles away. The shock wave from a nuke landing on the Presidio would
have turned the tunnels into the world's largest shotgun. The decision
was made that the tunnels would not be used as bomb shelters.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>On 11/16/2023 5:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 11/16/2023 7:16 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> ...
>>>>>>> There are plenty of better meters out there... the Mineralab
>>>>>>> Monitor Four
>>>>>>> is the one that our safety guys recommend on a budget.
>>>>>>> --scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, $679 at Big River.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-9000-Radiation-Contamination/dp/B008TVSQU8/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheaper model at $349.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-7000-Handheld-Radiation/dp/B00P7B6J8Y/
>>>>>>
>>>>> "How much would you pay to not glow in the dark?"
>>>>
>>>> These devices just tell you much you are going to glow in the dark.
>>>> They do not stop the process.
>>>>
>>> I prefer to think of it as "You just walked into someplace that will
>>> make you glow in the dark if you don't LEAVE RIGHT NOW!"
>>
>> Yes, that too.  Also if you want to test the gasoline before you put it
>> in your vehicle if the Middle East goes all glowy.  We still get a
>> little bit of crude oil from the Middle East in the USA, not much though.
>>
>> My home is about 25 miles away from an old Air Force Base, Ellington.
>> When the F-16s take off on afterburner and climb hard I can hear them in
>> my house.  I am not sure if the AFB is a target but the 10+ oil
>> refineries close to it on the Houston Ship Channel are definitely a target.
>>
>The AFB would be the target.
>
>I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We had possibly the highest
>density of military installations in North America before the Berlin
>Wall fell, including the HQ for Western Defense Command. THAT was a
>target the Soviets would have hit with enough warheads to boil the bay
>dry. And a few more for Hamilton AFB on the other side of me, the place
>that all military personnel going to or from Vietnam from North America
>went thru. Alameda Naval Air Station, Hunter's Point, etc. etc. etc.
>You simply could not live here at that time without absorbing some
>knowledge of military targeting priorities.

And they've all been closed for decades now. Beale and Travis
are probably the closest remaining (unless the Naval academy
in Monterey would be considered a target).

>
>Here's a bit of historical trivia for you. When you cross the Golden
>Gate Bridge going north out of San Francisco, the highway winds up a
>should of a mountain and then thru a two bore tunnel before heading back
>down. That county when it was making Civil Defense plans during the
>Cold War considered using those tunnels as shelters. Until someone
>pointed out that the south end of the tunnels pointed directly at the
>Presidio (the location of that Western Defense Command) only about 3
>miles away. The shock wave from a nuke landing on the Presidio would
>have turned the tunnels into the world's largest shotgun. The decision
>was made that the tunnels would not be used as bomb shelters.

Although Alamdeda, Moffett and Hunters Point were probably a more
interesting targets than the
Presidio - a hit there would have taken out the presidio anyway,
and made the caldecott not suitable for shelter.

On 11/17/23 08:10, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>> On 11/16/2023 5:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 11/16/2023 7:16 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>>>>> There are plenty of better meters out there... the Mineralab
>>>>>>>> Monitor Four
>>>>>>>> is the one that our safety guys recommend on a budget.
>>>>>>>> --scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, $679 at Big River.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-9000-Radiation-Contamination/dp/B008TVSQU8/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheaper model at $349.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Mazur-Instruments-PRM-7000-Handheld-Radiation/dp/B00P7B6J8Y/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "How much would you pay to not glow in the dark?"
>>>>>
>>>>> These devices just tell you much you are going to glow in the dark.
>>>>> They do not stop the process.
>>>>>
>>>> I prefer to think of it as "You just walked into someplace that will
>>>> make you glow in the dark if you don't LEAVE RIGHT NOW!"
>>>
>>> Yes, that too.  Also if you want to test the gasoline before you put it
>>> in your vehicle if the Middle East goes all glowy.  We still get a
>>> little bit of crude oil from the Middle East in the USA, not much though.
>>>
>>> My home is about 25 miles away from an old Air Force Base, Ellington.
>>> When the F-16s take off on afterburner and climb hard I can hear them in
>>> my house.  I am not sure if the AFB is a target but the 10+ oil
>>> refineries close to it on the Houston Ship Channel are definitely a target.
>>>
>> The AFB would be the target.
>>
>> I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We had possibly the highest
>> density of military installations in North America before the Berlin
>> Wall fell, including the HQ for Western Defense Command. THAT was a
>> target the Soviets would have hit with enough warheads to boil the bay
>> dry. And a few more for Hamilton AFB on the other side of me, the place
>> that all military personnel going to or from Vietnam from North America
>> went thru. Alameda Naval Air Station, Hunter's Point, etc. etc. etc.
>> You simply could not live here at that time without absorbing some
>> knowledge of military targeting priorities.
>
> And they've all been closed for decades now. Beale and Travis
> are probably the closest remaining (unless the Naval academy
> in Monterey would be considered a target).
>
>>
>> Here's a bit of historical trivia for you. When you cross the Golden
>> Gate Bridge going north out of San Francisco, the highway winds up a
>> should of a mountain and then thru a two bore tunnel before heading back
>> down. That county when it was making Civil Defense plans during the
>> Cold War considered using those tunnels as shelters. Until someone
>> pointed out that the south end of the tunnels pointed directly at the
>> Presidio (the location of that Western Defense Command) only about 3
>> miles away. The shock wave from a nuke landing on the Presidio would
>> have turned the tunnels into the world's largest shotgun. The decision
>> was made that the tunnels would not be used as bomb shelters.
>
> Although Alamdeda, Moffett and Hunters Point were probably a more
> interesting targets than the
> Presidio - a hit there would have taken out the presidio anyway,
> and made the caldecott not suitable for shelter.

The Blue Cube in Sunnyvale, right next to Moffett Field, probably would
have had a dedicated warhead just for it. Moffett Field had the west
coast wing of the P-3 Orion sub hunters.

Moffett is still there and they are rebuilding Hanger 1.
--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

Dave <bcfd36@cruzio.com> writes:
>On 11/17/23 08:10, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:

>>>
>>> I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We had possibly the highest
>>> density of military installations in North America before the Berlin
>>> Wall fell, including the HQ for Western Defense Command. THAT was a
>>> target the Soviets would have hit with enough warheads to boil the bay
>>> dry. And a few more for Hamilton AFB on the other side of me, the place
>>> that all military personnel going to or from Vietnam from North America
>>> went thru. Alameda Naval Air Station, Hunter's Point, etc. etc. etc.
>>> You simply could not live here at that time without absorbing some
>>> knowledge of military targeting priorities.
>>
>> And they've all been closed for decades now. Beale and Travis
>> are probably the closest remaining (unless the Naval academy
>> in Monterey would be considered a target).
>>
>>>
>>> Here's a bit of historical trivia for you. When you cross the Golden
>>> Gate Bridge going north out of San Francisco, the highway winds up a
>>> should of a mountain and then thru a two bore tunnel before heading back
>>> down. That county when it was making Civil Defense plans during the
>>> Cold War considered using those tunnels as shelters. Until someone
>>> pointed out that the south end of the tunnels pointed directly at the
>>> Presidio (the location of that Western Defense Command) only about 3
>>> miles away. The shock wave from a nuke landing on the Presidio would
>>> have turned the tunnels into the world's largest shotgun. The decision
>>> was made that the tunnels would not be used as bomb shelters.
>>
>> Although Alameda, Moffett and Hunters Point were probably a more
>> interesting targets than the
>> Presidio - a hit there would have taken out the presidio anyway,
>> and made the caldecott not suitable for shelter.
>
>The Blue Cube in Sunnyvale, right next to Moffett Field, probably would
>have had a dedicated warhead just for it. Moffett Field had the west
>coast wing of the P-3 Orion sub hunters.

I lived half a mile from the thresholds of Moffett's 14L/14R
during desert storm. The sound of a C-5 overhead on
approach under 200 feet at 0200 is hard to ignore. The
P-3's were easier to ignore, once accustomed.

>
>
>Moffett is still there and they are rebuilding Hanger 1.

Air national guard, the occasional C-17 or C-5 to pick up
stuff from lockheed, and every now and then a couple of fighters
exercising off the coast. And maybe a random P-3 here and there.

They've been rebuilding hanger 1 for how many years now?

On 11/17/2023 4:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Dave <bcfd36@cruzio.com> writes:
>> On 11/17/23 08:10, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>
>>>>
>>>> I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We had possibly the highest
>>>> density of military installations in North America before the Berlin
>>>> Wall fell, including the HQ for Western Defense Command. THAT was a
>>>> target the Soviets would have hit with enough warheads to boil the bay
>>>> dry. And a few more for Hamilton AFB on the other side of me, the place
>>>> that all military personnel going to or from Vietnam from North America
>>>> went thru. Alameda Naval Air Station, Hunter's Point, etc. etc. etc.
>>>> You simply could not live here at that time without absorbing some
>>>> knowledge of military targeting priorities.
>>>
>>> And they've all been closed for decades now. Beale and Travis
>>> are probably the closest remaining (unless the Naval academy
>>> in Monterey would be considered a target).
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's a bit of historical trivia for you. When you cross the Golden
>>>> Gate Bridge going north out of San Francisco, the highway winds up a
>>>> should of a mountain and then thru a two bore tunnel before heading back
>>>> down. That county when it was making Civil Defense plans during the
>>>> Cold War considered using those tunnels as shelters. Until someone
>>>> pointed out that the south end of the tunnels pointed directly at the
>>>> Presidio (the location of that Western Defense Command) only about 3
>>>> miles away. The shock wave from a nuke landing on the Presidio would
>>>> have turned the tunnels into the world's largest shotgun. The decision
>>>> was made that the tunnels would not be used as bomb shelters.
>>>
>>> Although Alameda, Moffett and Hunters Point were probably a more
>>> interesting targets than the
>>> Presidio - a hit there would have taken out the presidio anyway,
>>> and made the caldecott not suitable for shelter.
>>
>> The Blue Cube in Sunnyvale, right next to Moffett Field, probably would
>> have had a dedicated warhead just for it. Moffett Field had the west
>> coast wing of the P-3 Orion sub hunters.
>
> I lived half a mile from the thresholds of Moffett's 14L/14R
> during desert storm. The sound of a C-5 overhead on
> approach under 200 feet at 0200 is hard to ignore. The
> P-3's were easier to ignore, once accustomed.
>
>>
>>
>> Moffett is still there and they are rebuilding Hanger 1.
>
> Air national guard, the occasional C-17 or C-5 to pick up
> stuff from lockheed, and every now and then a couple of fighters
> exercising off the coast. And maybe a random P-3 here and there.
>
> They've been rebuilding hanger 1 for how many years now?
>
How many years has hanger 1 been there? ;)

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