Has not only a preview of Return To Monkey Island, which I just bought
but can's stand the vector type graphics, but also their Top 100 PC
Games.

Gosh - I didn't count how many of those that I have bought but I don't
need to buy any more games for a long time. Like their #1 Disco
Elysium which I need to get back into along with maybe 20 or more
others! I probably have more than that from their list. Pathetic!

:-)

-pw

Am 11.11.22 um 05:41 schrieb PW:
> Gosh - I didn't count how many of those that I have bought but I don't
> need to buy any more games for a long time. Like their #1 Disco
> Elysium which I need to get back into along with maybe 20 or more
> others! I probably have more than that from their list. Pathetic!
For whatever reason I really have a problem to like Disco Elysium, not
sure why.

On 11/11/2022 06:34, Werner P. wrote:
> Am 11.11.22 um 05:41 schrieb PW:
>> Gosh - I didn't count how many of those that I have bought but I don't
>> need to buy any more games for a long time.  Like their #1 Disco
>> Elysium which I need to get back into along with maybe 20 or more
>> others!  I probably have more than that from their list.  Pathetic!
> For whatever reason I really have a problem to like Disco Elysium, not
> sure why.
>

The impression I get is it's one of those marmite games. Personally I
think it's great but there's lots out there that just can't see why it
was so critically acclaimed*. Personally it's the best game I've played
in the last few years and it makes it onto my list of all time great games.

Oh and there's a bit of drama now surrounding it with accusations from
both the original creative team (fired at the start of the year) and the
investors.

*It also highlights how often there is a disconnect between what the
average gamer wants out of the games compared to game journalists.
Indeed the problem exists in lots of entertainment industry.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 10:00:55 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>*It also highlights how often there is a disconnect between what the
>average gamer wants out of the games compared to game journalists.
>Indeed the problem exists in lots of entertainment industry.

Gamers and critics loved Disco Elysium. The reason was for the game's
excellent writing, no secret there. There is a far greater disconnect
between what critics like and what consumers like in the film industry
from what I have seen.

Am 11.11.22 um 12:48 schrieb Mike S.:
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 10:00:55 +0000, JAB<noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>> *It also highlights how often there is a disconnect between what the
>> average gamer wants out of the games compared to game journalists.
>> Indeed the problem exists in lots of entertainment industry.
> Gamers and critics loved Disco Elysium. The reason was for the game's
> excellent writing, no secret there. There is a far greater disconnect
> between what critics like and what consumers like in the film industry
> from what I have seen.
The game reminds me of some movies everyone is raving about.
I remember there was this local movie, everyone was raving about, when I
saw it I could not see what the fuzz was about. Mediocre acting, pretty
bad jokes for a comedy, probably everyone was raving about because it
was a local production and it was different.

DE is rather similar, I do not really like the character but I can see
that the game is absolutely different and the writing really is solid,
but I cannot get into it because I neither like the main protagonist nor
do I particularily like the setting, but I can see why many people like
it, and theoretically I should like it too, but for whatever reason I
cannot really.

>Return To Monkey Island,

RTMI, FYI, has just been added to PC Gamepass. I just completed the new
Plague Tale Requiem game last night on there also....Still $1/3months if you
want to try it out.

rms

>but also their Top 100 PC Games.

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-top-100-pc-games-2022/

rms

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 10:00:55 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>On 11/11/2022 06:34, Werner P. wrote:
>> Am 11.11.22 um 05:41 schrieb PW:
>>> Gosh - I didn't count how many of those that I have bought but I don't
>>> need to buy any more games for a long time.  Like their #1 Disco
>>> Elysium which I need to get back into along with maybe 20 or more
>>> others!  I probably have more than that from their list.  Pathetic!
>> For whatever reason I really have a problem to like Disco Elysium, not
>> sure why.
>>
>
>The impression I get is it's one of those marmite games. Personally I
>think it's great but there's lots out there that just can't see why it
>was so critically acclaimed*. Personally it's the best game I've played
>in the last few years and it makes it onto my list of all time great games.
>
>Oh and there's a bit of drama now surrounding it with accusations from
>both the original creative team (fired at the start of the year) and the
>investors.
>
>*It also highlights how often there is a disconnect between what the
>average gamer wants out of the games compared to game journalists.
>Indeed the problem exists in lots of entertainment industry.

The game itself seems sound and its nice to see dialogue and
characterizations in an RPG that's a bit more than NPCs whose only
goal is to kill you, give you a quest, or have sex with you. It's a
clever deconstruction/reconstruction of RPG tropes and I can
appreciate it for its novely. I don't think this is an issue of
"critics don't understand the general audience" as much as this is
just a niche game that happens to be exceptionally well made. As such,
it is deserving of all its praise (unlike marmite!) but no, it won't
be what everybody wants.

Take me. I think I'd love this game. But I have a really hard time
getting into top-down games these days, and RPGs are just too deep of
a time sink, and so I haven't played it for more than a few hours. I
just can't get into it. In a different format, I'd probably have
finished it twice, but top-down? It's a chore for me to finish those
games.

On 11/11/2022 6:36 AM, rms wrote:
>
>   RTMI,

"Read The Manual Idiot"?

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:34:08 +0100, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

>Am 11.11.22 um 05:41 schrieb PW:
>> Gosh - I didn't count how many of those that I have bought but I don't
>> need to buy any more games for a long time. Like their #1 Disco
>> Elysium which I need to get back into along with maybe 20 or more
>> others! I probably have more than that from their list. Pathetic!

>For whatever reason I really have a problem to like Disco Elysium, not
>sure why.

*-- There must be a reason I didn't play it for very long!

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:39:02 -0700, "rms"
<rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote:

>>but also their Top 100 PC Games.
>
> https://www.pcgamer.com/the-top-100-pc-games-2022/
>
>rms

*--
Still a bunch that interest me but I gotta stop! :-)

-pw

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:49:13 -0700, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

>>For whatever reason I really have a problem to like Disco Elysium, not
>>sure why.
>
>*-- There must be a reason I didn't play it for very long!

I never bothered with Disco Elysium, because like Werner, the setting
does not interest me but the main reason is I think it would be too
passive of a gaming experience for me. Too much reading, not enough
playing.

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-8, Mike S. wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:49:13 -0700, PW
> <iamnotusing...@notinuse.com> wrote:
>
> >>For whatever reason I really have a problem to like Disco Elysium, not
> >>sure why.
> >
> >*-- There must be a reason I didn't play it for very long!
> I never bothered with Disco Elysium, because like Werner, the setting
> does not interest me but the main reason is I think it would be too
> passive of a gaming experience for me. Too much reading, not enough
> playing.

I bought it and tried it, but yeah, pretty much that, not really any combat.
If it was attached to a good combat system it would be great. I got 21 hours
in, so enough to reasonably give it a fair shake.

- Justisaur

On 11/11/2022 15:30, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> The game itself seems sound and its nice to see dialogue and
> characterizations in an RPG that's a bit more than NPCs whose only
> goal is to kill you, give you a quest, or have sex with you. It's a
> clever deconstruction/reconstruction of RPG tropes and I can
> appreciate it for its novely. I don't think this is an issue of
> "critics don't understand the general audience" as much as this is
> just a niche game that happens to be exceptionally well made. As such,
> it is deserving of all its praise (unlike marmite!) but no, it won't
> be what everybody wants.
>

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think it's critics don't understand the
general audience but instead critics aren't the general audience.

On 12/11/2022 13:17, Mike S. wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:49:13 -0700, PW
> <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>
>>> For whatever reason I really have a problem to like Disco Elysium, not
>>> sure why.
>>
>> *-- There must be a reason I didn't play it for very long!
>
> I never bothered with Disco Elysium, because like Werner, the setting
> does not interest me but the main reason is I think it would be too
> passive of a gaming experience for me. Too much reading, not enough
> playing.

Yeh, if the setting doesn't interest you then it's going be tricky to
like the game as a lot of it is learning about the setting through text.

For the passive part, I can see that but for me I was very much actively
engaged in my part in the whole story. One aspect that is basically
missing is combat but fortunately for me combat isn't the thing I play
CRPG's for.

Obviously, as always horses for courses and all that.

As an aside it did bring out some of the worse aspects of
reviews/discussions on Steam. One side saying it's a bad game just
because the game was never aimed at them and the other side saying that
if you don't like it then it's because you're thick. I never really
understand why people can't just accept that what people want from games
is highly subjective.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:32:50 AM UTC-8, JAB wrote:
> On 12/11/2022 13:17, Mike S. wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:49:13 -0700, PW
> > <iamnotusing...@notinuse.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> For whatever reason I really have a problem to like Disco Elysium, not
> >>> sure why.
> >>
> >> *-- There must be a reason I didn't play it for very long!
> >
> > I never bothered with Disco Elysium, because like Werner, the setting
> > does not interest me but the main reason is I think it would be too
> > passive of a gaming experience for me. Too much reading, not enough
> > playing.
> Yeh, if the setting doesn't interest you then it's going be tricky to
> like the game as a lot of it is learning about the setting through text.
>
> For the passive part, I can see that but for me I was very much actively
> engaged in my part in the whole story. One aspect that is basically
> missing is combat but fortunately for me combat isn't the thing I play
> CRPG's for.
>
> Obviously, as always horses for courses and all that.
>
> As an aside it did bring out some of the worse aspects of
> reviews/discussions on Steam. One side saying it's a bad game just
> because the game was never aimed at them and the other side saying that
> if you don't like it then it's because you're thick. I never really
> understand why people can't just accept that what people want from games
> is highly subjective.

At least I can see that, I don't care for it, but I can see what's so attractive
about it. I don't grudge it's spot as #1 on that list, though I'd still say Fallout
1 and 2 did similar things ages ago, and made the combat fun too, giving the
full package.

It's just a list anyway. Anyone can make up a list.

- Justisaur