On 2023-11-14, Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:41:35 AM UTC-5, Chris Buckley wrote:
>> > On 2023-11-14, Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>> > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 05:20:17 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> > > Heydt) wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> It has already been pointed out that year round DST has been
>> > >> implemented--and then very quickly removed because it was very
>> > >> UNpopular.
>> > >
>> > > Indiana had year-round DST for the thirty years that I lived in New
>> > > York. It was a useful compromise: the western edge wanted to match
>> > > Illinois and the eastern edge wanted to match Ohio. With year-round
>> > > daylight, each side got its way half the year.
>> > >
>> > > Then we got a governor who was unaware that we were already on
>> > > daylight time . . .
>> > I don't think Indiana as a whole ever had year-round DST (except for
>> > the World Wars); that would have been much too simple! Though Wikipedia
>> > does suggest some counties in the 50s might have observed year-round DST,
>> > as they wanted to be on Eastern Standard Time instead of CST.
>> >
>> > I was born in Indiana, then moved away, but we came back to visit most
>> > years in the 60s and 70s (the beginning of the period I think you're
>> > talking about). During that time, some counties on the west were in
>> > the Central Time Zone and changed to DST at the normal dates, but the
>> > other counties were in the Eastern Time Zone and never changed to DST
>> > (except, of course, for the counties adjacent to Ohio and Kentucky
>> > cities that unofficially changed to DST.) It was a mess and even
>> > in-state folks got it wrong on occasion, especially since counties kept
>> > on petioning to switch.
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indiana
>> > is a quite long article that covers some of the major changes.
>> > Since 2006 all of the state observes DST at the normal dates, with the
>> > state still split into both Central and Eastern zones.
>>
>> ISTR there used to be a site: www.whattimeisitinindiana.com which had a
>> map showing the various zones.
>>
>
> I recall reading a factual article -- a newspaper account I believe -- about
> a high school that straddled Indiana and Ohio. The state line went right
> through the school, including the mid-court line on the basketball court.
> The article did spend a few paragraphs on the challenges of the time zone
> being different[1] in different parts of the building.
>
> Tony
> [1] Only for certain parts of the year, if my memory can be trusted.

While I haven't seen it reported on that small of a scale, I can
believe it! And yes, clocks on the two ends of the basketball court
would have to agree on the time for half the year and be an hour
different for the other half.

Chris

In article <sgk4li55ar8d7i4dnv3nvjsef2k1dbipv9@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 02:06:54 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <7e20748c-56fe-41bd-af14-66104ba4da93n@googlegroups.com>,
>>pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 10:27:47 PM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 18:42:21 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
>>>> <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 1:40:36?PM UTC+11, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>> >> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 9:56:59?AM UTC+11, Dimensional
>>>Traveler wrote:
>>>> >> > On 11/7/2023 9:24 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> >> > > This was a question that came up a lot on Canada's Worst Driver. All
>>>> >> > > of the candidates had valid drivers licenses despite such handicaps
>>>> >> > > as no ability to assess risk, paralyzing anxiety, being habitual
>>>> >> > > drunks, being a complete fucking lunatic, and in one case, being
>>>> >> > > legally blind in one eye, the other being glass.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > Whoever issued the license for that last one should be in jail.
>>>> >> Depends when he lost the eye or the vision dropped below the
>>>standard needed in the remaining eye
>>>> >
>>>> >actually what's required to renew a drivers licence in Canada?
>>>> >Mostly here once you've passed the tests it's just a matter of
>>>filling in a form and making a payment (I have to get medical signoff
>>>because I filled the form in honestly 5 or 6 years ago when I was having
>>>vertigo attacks)
>>>> Well, in the State of Washington, an eye test and a new photo are
>>>> required -- not every time you renew, so sometimes you can renew by
>>>> mail (ie, online with a credit card), but after a while they want to
>>>> be sure your eyes are working and your photo is not so much younger
>>>> than you are.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the "enhanced" license would require additional paperwork
>>>> (as I understand it), and possibly an otherwise-unnecessary in-person
>>>> appearance, but that is still optional, and whether it would require
>>>> such paperwork at every renewal or just when you first apply for one
>>>> is unknown to me.
>>>
>>>The 'enhanced license', aka RealID, is in fact a National Identity Card
>>>pretending to be a drivers license.
>>
>>[Hal Heydt]
>>There's an alternative for those who think that a drivers license
>>*isn't* the default photo id. When I renewed my passport, I got
>>both the book and the card. I'm as like to pull out that card
>>when asked for ID as I am to show my drivers license. It also
>>serves as a "real ID" for air travel within the US. (I think
>>it's good for US to Canada, as well.)
>
>If/when I fail an eye test, the alternative is a (much less expensive,
>at least when not "enhanced") State ID card (which can, IIRC, also be
>"enhanced").
>
>It's not so much if the "enhanced" license is good for /to/ Canada.
>The real question is: will it work should you wish to come back?

[Hal Heydt]
I would expect so.

I think the root of my tendency to show a passport card, rather
than automatically pulling out my drivers license is rooted in
ancedotes from when I was doing a lot of cycling. If a cop stops
someone on a bicycle and they show a drivers license as ID, the
DMV may apply points aginst the license. Since one isn't
required to have a drivers license to ride a bike, it's sometimes
better to have some *other* form of ID...on that doesn't link
back to the DMV.

Then there was when I got my first COVID shot. They asked for
ID. I asked how good an ID they wanted, and was told, the best
one you've got. So I pulled out my passport card. The person
filling out the paperwork agreed that that was probably the best
ID there was.

On 15/11/23 12:12, Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2023-11-14, Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
>>
>> I recall reading a factual article -- a newspaper account I believe -- about
>> a high school that straddled Indiana and Ohio. The state line went right
>> through the school, including the mid-court line on the basketball court.
>> The article did spend a few paragraphs on the challenges of the time zone
>> being different[1] in different parts of the building.
>>
>> Tony
>> [1] Only for certain parts of the year, if my memory can be trusted.

April 1st?

>
> While I haven't seen it reported on that small of a scale, I can
> believe it! And yes, clocks on the two ends of the basketball court
> would have to agree on the time for half the year and be an hour
> different for the other half.
>
> Chris

Time travel possible for only six months p.a. :p

On 2023-11-15, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 15/11/23 12:12, Chris Buckley wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14, Tony Nance <tonynance17@gmail.com> wrote:
> snip
>>>
>>> I recall reading a factual article -- a newspaper account I believe -- about
>>> a high school that straddled Indiana and Ohio. The state line went right
>>> through the school, including the mid-court line on the basketball court.
>>> The article did spend a few paragraphs on the challenges of the time zone
>>> being different[1] in different parts of the building.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>> [1] Only for certain parts of the year, if my memory can be trusted.
>
> April 1st?

Almost certainly not! I assure you Indiana local politics has many stranger
things. They believe in local control. Eg, northern Indiana where my
grandparents lived is the home of some of the largest Amish and
Mennonite communities anywhere. So we had busy 4-lane state highways
where the drivers were very careful of all the horse and buggies (and
many other accomodations)

https://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/wm3JNV_College_Corner_School_Ohio_Indiana_border
Originally called Union School, a K-12 school, College Corner
School now houses K-5. Older students now attend middle school and
high school in nearby Liberty, Indiana. (Union County High School)
Students attending here cross the Ohio/Indiana border several times a
day just by traveling to different classes. The gym is built so that
one basketball goal is in Ohio and the opposing team's basket is in
Indiana.

Since Ohio observed DST and eastern Indiana did not, the clocks would
disagree during DST and agree the other 6 months.

>>
>> While I haven't seen it reported on that small of a scale, I can
>> believe it! And yes, clocks on the two ends of the basketball court
>> would have to agree on the time for half the year and be an hour
>> different for the other half.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Time travel possible for only six months p.a. :p

Yes. I'm not sure I was clear enough in the setup I described - it actually
did unify (officially) the state for half the year. The fact that some
clocks were on Central Daylight Time and some were on Eastern Standard
Time, didn't matter (pre-computer); the time agreed.

Chris

Among the things Chris Buckley wrote:
>
> Yes. I'm not sure I was clear enough in the setup I described - it actually
> did unify (officially) the state for half the year. The fact that some
> clocks were on Central Daylight Time and some were on Eastern Standard
> Time, didn't matter (pre-computer); the time agreed.

That reminds me of a long time ago when we got (through early cable--someone else's tall antenna) a TV station from a city in Indiana. When we in Ohio sprang forward, and East Indiana didn't we got a second chance to watch one network's shows an hour later. However, this conflicts with a memory that when a time was given for network shows, the corresponding Central Time an hour earlier was appended, as immortalized in the variety show "Wednesday at Eight (Seven Central)". Nowadays I know at least deeper in the Central, St Louis, for example, shows are broadcast simultaneously with the East. Did Central Time used to get its own feed of network programing? Or was this a special tape delay by the station, so as not to have to explain why summer reruns were an hour earlier? ("The government would like you to get up earlier, so go to bed earlier..."?)

--
-Jack

On 15 Nov 2023 14:03:04 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:

>Almost certainly not! I assure you Indiana local politics has many stranger
>things. They believe in local control. Eg, northern Indiana where my
>grandparents lived is the home of some of the largest Amish and
>Mennonite communities anywhere. So we had busy 4-lane state highways
>where the drivers were very careful of all the horse and buggies (and
>many other accomodations)
>
I've seen that in certain parts of southern Ontario as well.

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:03:11 AM UTC-5, Chris Buckley wrote:

[snip]

> .....The gym is built so that one basketball goal is in Ohio
> and the opposing team's basket is in Indiana.

So, instead of describing a player as "...going from coast to coast...."
he could "....go from state to state!"

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2019/07/03/indiana-high-school-basketball-one-gym-two-states-and-infamous-shooter-gregg-doyel/1358727001/
--

Kevin R