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* Why onion proton mail on a mac?J.B. Wood
+- Re: Why onion proton mail on a mac?Anonymous
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Why onion proton mail on a mac?

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From: arl_123...@hotmail.com (J.B. Wood)
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Subject: Why onion proton mail on a mac?
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 by: J.B. Wood - Mon, 11 Oct 2021 01:09 UTC

[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10078359/U-S-Navy-engineer-wife-charged-selling-submarine-secrets-smuggling-sandwich.html]

Please look at this sentence: "I will continue to use public WiFi and the
TOR .onion connection to Proton to prevent an adversary from watching TOR
entrance/exit nodes."

Do you know what a "proton" is in that context?
"I suggest a simple code sent through Proton: email me the number of
packages you want at the next drop."

That's from a spy, who used what he called "Proton" on a Mac to establish
communications with what he assumed was an agent of an unnamed country (in
actuality, an FBI agent).

He keeps talking about a "Proton" as in: "My new Proton is actually an old
one I established quietly with a cash only burner phone while on vacation
several years ago. My original contact plan was to give the login details to
you, but I abandoned it as needlessly complicated. So it has been unused
ever since for any purpose except to sign up for a few innocent, randomly
chosen mailing lists to generate regular uninteresting traffic."

Obviously, if this is proton mail (further information in that news report
indicates it probably was) then they are using the onion address for a
reason that seemed good to them.

But what is that reason for the .onion address to proton mail?
What did the .onion address to proton mail gain this spy?
--
J. B. Wood e-mail: arl_123234@hotmail.com

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Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.
Please report problems or inappropriate use to the
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 by: Anonymous - Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:21 UTC

In article <sk02rr$13b8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
"J.B. Wood" <arl_123234@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10078359/U-S-Navy-engineer-wife-charged-selling-submarine-secrets-smuggling-sandwich.html]
>
> Please look at this sentence: "I will continue to use public WiFi and the
> TOR .onion connection to Proton to prevent an adversary from watching TOR
> entrance/exit nodes."
>
> Do you know what a "proton" is in that context?
> "I suggest a simple code sent through Proton: email me the number of
> packages you want at the next drop."
>
> That's from a spy, who used what he called "Proton" on a Mac to establish
> communications with what he assumed was an agent of an unnamed country (in
> actuality, an FBI agent).
>
> He keeps talking about a "Proton" as in: "My new Proton is actually an old
> one I established quietly with a cash only burner phone while on vacation
> several years ago. My original contact plan was to give the login details to
> you, but I abandoned it as needlessly complicated. So it has been unused
> ever since for any purpose except to sign up for a few innocent, randomly
> chosen mailing lists to generate regular uninteresting traffic."
>
> Obviously, if this is proton mail (further information in that news report
> indicates it probably was) then they are using the onion address for a
> reason that seemed good to them.
>
> But what is that reason for the .onion address to proton mail?
> What did the .onion address to proton mail gain this spy?

Untraceable access from anywhere.

Why would that be relevant? I might be in Spain communicating
with someone in the Russian government.

Proton mail has already admitted they will hand over the IP
address records of anyone using their services.

If I use Tor, the IP address of access record will not out my
location.

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 by: Anonymous - Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:32 UTC

"J.B. Wood" <arl_123234@hotmail.com> wrote:

>[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10078359/U-S-Navy-engineer-wife-charged-selling-submarine-secrets-smuggling-sandwich.html]
>
>Please look at this sentence: "I will continue to use public WiFi and the
>TOR .onion connection to Proton to prevent an adversary from watching TOR
>entrance/exit nodes."
>
>Do you know what a "proton" is in that context?
>"I suggest a simple code sent through Proton: email me the number of
>packages you want at the next drop."
>
>That's from a spy, who used what he called "Proton" on a Mac to establish
>communications with what he assumed was an agent of an unnamed country (in
>actuality, an FBI agent).
>
>He keeps talking about a "Proton" as in: "My new Proton is actually an old
>one I established quietly with a cash only burner phone while on vacation
>several years ago. My original contact plan was to give the login details to
>you, but I abandoned it as needlessly complicated. So it has been unused
>ever since for any purpose except to sign up for a few innocent, randomly
>chosen mailing lists to generate regular uninteresting traffic."
>
>Obviously, if this is proton mail (further information in that news report
>indicates it probably was) then they are using the onion address for a
>reason that seemed good to them.
>
>But what is that reason for the .onion address to proton mail?
>What did the .onion address to proton mail gain this spy?

Nothing, because ...

| When a user makes a new account with Protonmail on TOR they are
| re-directed from Protonmail's ".onion" to ".com" address. This breaks
| your secure encrypted connection to their onion address, enabling your
| identification.

<https://privacy-watchdog.io/truth-about-protonmail/> (down)
<https://www.reddit.com/r/thehatedone/comments/kkuo4z/the_truth_about_protonmail/>

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