In article <598ed7d983cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> In article <598e6415d4bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
> > Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,

> > > Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

> > Within LaBella the labels I'm using are 105 x 37mm and 16 on a
> > sheet and crucially there is no empty space between labels.

> Just checking these dimensions.

> Presumably the width 105 so 2 across an A4 age = 210 so barely any
> side margin (A4 is 210 label sheets may have a bit extra).

> If it's 2 across and 16 on a sheet that must be 8 down. 37 x 8 =
> 296 which is the full A4 height so no top or bottom margin.

> Label Top Inset can be set to 0.0 or even a negative figure.

Yes -ish.

My printer requires a 5mm border on all 4 sides.
A4 paper = 297mm x 210mm
Driver set correctly for those 6 values.

Labels are 2 across 8 down and are supposed to be 105x37mm
However label pages in reality are approx..
A4 labels 298.5 long.
A4 labels 210.5mm wide

The width isn't a problem but the length obviously chops an extra 2mm
off the bottom of a label page which the driver doesn't know about
without creating another paper size.

Bob.

In article <598eda2bccbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <598ed582a0News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
> Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> > But this is not how to avoid printing on the first line of labels
> > on *each* page - that I covered earlier. Your printer, the
> > labella definitions, and the physical labels must all agree.

> I thought they did but I was surprised to find..

> A4 paper 297mm long.
> Paper size in driver set to 297mm.

> A4 paper 210mm wide.
> Paper size in driver set to 210mm.

> A4 labels 298.5 long.
> A4 labels 210.5mm wide

> The labels claim to be 105mmx37mm but are to my eyes a fraction of
> a mm larger. I'm not sure I could measure that tiny amount. but
> 210.5/8 gives 37.3mm which is probably correct-ish.

> I didn't really want to set up another page size for the printer to
> be honest and I've cheated my way out of trouble by placing 5 line
> addresses at the end of each page.

Did you check the printable margins all agree?

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In article <598edddeccNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <598eda2bccbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <598ed582a0News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
> > Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> > > But this is not how to avoid printing on the first line of labels
> > > on *each* page - that I covered earlier. Your printer, the
> > > labella definitions, and the physical labels must all agree.

> > I thought they did but I was surprised to find..

> > A4 paper 297mm long.
> > Paper size in driver set to 297mm.

> > A4 paper 210mm wide.
> > Paper size in driver set to 210mm.

> > A4 labels 298.5 long.
> > A4 labels 210.5mm wide

> > The labels claim to be 105mmx37mm but are to my eyes a fraction of
> > a mm larger. I'm not sure I could measure that tiny amount. but
> > 210.5/8 gives 37.3mm which is probably correct-ish.

> > I didn't really want to set up another page size for the printer
> > to be honest and I've cheated my way out of trouble by placing 5
> > line addresses at the end of each page.

> Did you check the printable margins all agree?

The printer requires 5mm on all 4 sides. The driver is set to 5mm all
round. I don't know of any other margin settings.

Bob.

In article <598ee26e33bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <598edddeccNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
> Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> > > The labels claim to be 105mmx37mm but are to my eyes a fraction
> > > of a mm larger. I'm not sure I could measure that tiny amount.
> > > but 210.5/8 gives 37.3mm which is probably correct-ish.

> The printer requires 5mm on all 4 sides. The driver is set to 5mm
> all round. I don't know of any other margin settings.

That all looks fine ... but I had not realised that your labels cover
all the sheet - all the ones I have used have had a non-label bit
along all 4 sides.

You should be able to print 5mm down from the top of the top row of
labels, and 5mm up from the bottom of the bottom row of labels. As
long as that is ok on all labels, you should be able to use all of
them, if you avoid printing on the top & bottom 5mm.

Label settings I would try...
Height = Col Pitch = 37.3
Width = Col Pitch = 105
Top Inset = Left Inset = 0
Line Spacing Top Inset = 5 (or even 6)

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In article <598ee782bcNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> You should be able to print 5mm down from the top of the top row of
> labels,

I agree with that, makes sense.

> and 5mm up from the bottom of the bottom row of labels.

Not so sure about that because as it stands the printer driver is
unaware that the page is longer than A4 by 1.5mm.

> As long as that is ok on all labels, you should be able to use all
> of them, if you avoid printing on the top & bottom 5mm.

The top yes, the bottom .???...

> Label settings I would try...
> Height = Col Pitch = 37.3
> Width = Col Pitch = 105
> Top Inset = Left Inset = 0
> Line Spacing Top Inset = 5 (or even 6)

Interesting, I need to get my head around that, thanks.

Bob.

Rather hijacking this thread.

Where can you get LaBella from?
Google didn't help me.

Does it support printing to modern label printers?

If not anyone found a way on RISC OS to use modern label printers?

Chris Evans

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In article <ant021338bbapErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
Chris Evans (CJE/4D) <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> Rather hijacking this thread.

> Where can you get LaBella from?
> Google didn't help me.

http://www.rayfavre.me.uk

> Does it support printing to modern label printers?

If RISC OS supports printing to them, then I don't see why not.

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In message <ant021338bbapErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
"Chris Evans (CJE/4D)" <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> Rather hijacking this thread.

> Where can you get LaBella from?

http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html

> Google didn't help me.

searched for labella + RISC OS

found the above

> Does it support printing to modern label printers?

I have used it to print to a laser printer as well as an inkjet

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In article <30058d9459.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <ant021338bbapErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> "Chris Evans (CJE/4D)" <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> > Rather hijacking this thread.

> > Where can you get LaBella from?

> http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html

> > Google didn't help me.

> searched for labella + RISC OS

> found the above

> > Does it support printing to modern label printers?

> I have used it to print to a laser printer as well as an inkjet

Agreed. Latest version 6.43 has been 32 bitted and works on my Pi4 with
R5.28

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Hi Chris

In message <ant021338bbapErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
"Chris Evans (CJE/4D)" <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> Rather hijacking this thread.

> Where can you get LaBella from?
> Google didn't help me.

It is on RComp's Plingstore.

regards

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In message <59948fb1adcvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> In article <30058d9459.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
> Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <ant021338bbapErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
>> "Chris Evans (CJE/4D)" <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

>>> Rather hijacking this thread.

>>> Where can you get LaBella from?

>> http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html

>>> Google didn't help me.

>> searched for labella + RISC OS

>> found the above

>>> Does it support printing to modern label printers?

>> I have used it to print to a laser printer as well as an inkjet

> Agreed. Latest version 6.43 has been 32 bitted and works on my Pi4 with
> R5.28

It is also available from PlingStore

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In article <59948fb1adcvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> In article <30058d9459.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
> Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message <ant021338bbapErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> > "Chris Evans (CJE/4D)" <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Rather hijacking this thread.

> > > Where can you get LaBella from?

> > http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html

> > > Google didn't help me.

> > searched for labella + RISC OS

> > found the above

> > > Does it support printing to modern label printers?

> > I have used it to print to a laser printer as well as an inkjet

> Agreed. Latest version 6.43 has been 32 bitted and works on my Pi4 with
> R5.28

I may have to eat my words. Just tried printing a label. The graphic
printed OK but none of the text.

Labella 6.43 RISC OS 5.28 Pi4 . LaserJet6 printer driver. Samsung
CLP620 nd laser printer USB wired to the Pi.

Can't figure it out.

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In article <ant021338bbapErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
Chris Evans (CJE/4D) <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> Rather hijacking this thread.

> Where can you get LaBella from?
> Google didn't help me.

http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html

Alan

In article <59948e25efajg@argonet.co.uk>, Alan Griffin
<URL:mailto:ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant021338bbapErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
> Chris Evans (CJE/4D) <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> > Rather hijacking this thread.
>
> > Where can you get LaBella from?
> > Google didn't help me.
>
>
> http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html

Thanks for that

In reply to:
If not anyone found a way on RISC OS to use modern label printers?

Chris H said
> I have used it to print to a laser printer as well as an inkjet

It's a 'modern label printers' like Dymo LabelWriter, Brother QL-600B that
have labels on a roll and you can print one at a time I'm looking for.

I got some technical info from Dymo years ago. Its language is proprietary.

I'm hoping some one makes one which uses PCL3, 5 or 6

Chris Evans

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In article <ant08160272bpErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
Chris Evans (CJE/4D) <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59948e25efajg@argonet.co.uk>, Alan Griffin
> <URL:mailto:ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <ant021338bbapErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
> > Chris Evans (CJE/4D) <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Rather hijacking this thread.
> >
> > > Where can you get LaBella from?
> > > Google didn't help me.
> >
> >
> > http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html

> Thanks for that

> In reply to:
> If not anyone found a way on RISC OS to use modern label printers?

> Chris H said
> > I have used it to print to a laser printer as well as an inkjet

> It's a 'modern label printers' like Dymo LabelWriter, Brother
> QL-600B that have labels on a roll and you can print one at a time
> I'm looking for.

Like the tractor-feed labels of old, perhaps? If that idea were
coupled with the marvellous !Organizer, might that lead to a solution?
Are tractor-feed printers still around?

Yes I'm out of my depth but trying to think laterally, because way,
way back I recall a unit (was it in ROM for the BBC Master, perhaps?)
someone had created a system allowing me to print individual address
labels or several together. Ah! the good old days when WD40
rejuvenated the ink for those printers.

> I got some technical info from Dymo years ago. Its language is
> proprietary.

> I'm hoping some one makes one which uses PCL3, 5 or 6

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk

On 8 Dec 2021 as I do recall,
M Harding wrote:

> In article <ant08160272bpErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
> Chris Evans (CJE/4D) <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> > It's a 'modern label printers' like Dymo LabelWriter, Brother
> > QL-600B that have labels on a roll and you can print one at a time
> > I'm looking for.
>
> Like the tractor-feed labels of old, perhaps? If that idea were
> coupled with the marvellous !Organizer, might that lead to a solution?
> Are tractor-feed printers still around?
>
Tractor-feed printers simply worked by printing a predefined number of
fixed-height lines and then having the program doing the printing issue
a form feed character to advance to the start of the next form - as you
could deduce from the fact that if you got the page length wrong then
the printer would quite happily print over the perforations!

Modern label printers seem to have some kind of detector that will
actually identify the edge of the label as it passes through the
machine.

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In article <19abcf9759.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2021 as I do recall,
> M Harding wrote:

> > In article <ant08160272bpErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
> > Chris Evans (CJE/4D) <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> [snip]

> > > It's a 'modern label printers' like Dymo LabelWriter, Brother
> > > QL-600B that have labels on a roll and you can print one at a time
> > > I'm looking for.
> >
> > Like the tractor-feed labels of old, perhaps? If that idea were
> > coupled with the marvellous !Organizer, might that lead to a solution?
> > Are tractor-feed printers still around?
> >
> Tractor-feed printers simply worked by printing a predefined number of
> fixed-height lines and then having the program doing the printing issue
> a form feed character to advance to the start of the next form - as you
> could deduce from the fact that if you got the page length wrong then
> the printer would quite happily print over the perforations!

> Modern label printers seem to have some kind of detector that will
> actually identify the edge of the label as it passes through the
> machine.

The backing paper is marked,

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In article <59949e7343cvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman
<cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

<snip>
> > > I have used it to print to a laser printer as well as an inkjet

> > Agreed. Latest version 6.43 has been 32 bitted and works on my Pi4
> > with R5.28

> I may have to eat my words. Just tried printing a label. The graphic
> printed OK but none of the text.

> Labella 6.43 RISC OS 5.28 Pi4 . LaserJet6 printer driver. Samsung
> CLP620 nd laser printer USB wired to the Pi.

More info. I've discovered that if I unselect "Print graphic?" on the
Printing set-up & preview window the text prints OK. It obviously can't
cope with multi-tasking. Bit like me some days.

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