On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save favorite
> >>>>>> places in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination or
> >>>>>> scroll to select a destination you saved in a collection.
> >>>>>> (See Organize places in My Guides in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to speak
> >>>>>> a search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to use the
> >>>>>> onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also select a
> >>>>>> destination from a category of nearby services, such as
> >>>>>> Parking or Restaurants.'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
> >>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
> >>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call
> >>>>> Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me the
> >>>>> map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s the weather for
> >>>>> today?”
> >>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such as a
> >>>> printer "uses" the operating system.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have it backwards.
> >>>>
> >>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>
> >>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice recognition
> >>>> facility of iOS.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
> >>>> speech-to-text.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to work
> >>>>> on CarPlay devices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
> >>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It worked
> >>>>> for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
> >>>> Operator error, or...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...far more likely...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
> >>>>
> >>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or shut
> >>>> up, you lying Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other
> >>> Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in the
> >>> search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
> >> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
> >>>
> >>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with voice
> >>> search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for directions to
> >>> an address. That brings up Google maps with spoken directions
> >>> with no manual interaction.
> >> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up Google
> >> Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
> >>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't use
> >>> Google search while driving. Good to know too.
> >>>
> >>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more videos.
> >>>
> >>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me:
> >>> (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
> >>>
> >>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay by
> >>> opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a destination?
> >> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still use
> >> voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works because I
> >> haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay as my BMW
> >> doesn't have it.
> >>>
> >>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error
> >>> with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
> >> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
> >>>
> >>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record the
> >>> video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use the mic
> >>> in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999 address by
> >>> dictation only. 4. Turn Siri back on. 5. Retraining Siri voice
> >>> recognition is required, and will be performed. 6. Use Siri to
> >>> try and find the 12999 address.
> >> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
> >>
> >> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>
> >> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> >>
> >> ...hmmm?
> >
> > Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3 cars. My
> > Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015 CRV with a
> > retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay have taught me
> > a lot. At least you were honest about lack of first hand knowledge.
> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
> > Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video below
> > CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your controlling
> > iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command.
> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they want you to
> not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no other way.
> > Hello Google verbal
> > search is not permitted on the CarPlay platform.
> So? How is that relevant?
> > FYI you can get to
> > Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger touches: Map
> > screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch combination once Google
> > Maps is in full screen mode.
> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon in keyboard..
> > If not on CarPlay no touching is
> > required for Google Maps directions:
> Stop mixing these two things up.
> > Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say
> > destination address> takes you to Google Maps with the route up on
> > Google Maps and ready to be started from current location. Why not on
> > CarPlay? Apple wants you to use THEIR inferior voice response and
> > Maps. If you are already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination
> > request why does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.
> Because, you incredible simpleton:
>
> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
>
> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps app...
>
> ...because Siri can do other things!
>
> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the microphone
> icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to tapping the
> microphone icon in Apple
> >
> > Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play video
> > with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using Siri/Apple
> > Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple levels. Car Play
> > will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why? Google Maps needs 3
> > tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise flawless.
> >
> > It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by
> > someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished at
> > about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do their
> > processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you wait a
> > few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
> So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
> more than just allow you to get directions.
>
> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
> >> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>
> >> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
>
> Note an issue that you need to consider:
>
> Can Siri tell if you said:
>
> "go to one two nine nine nine"
>
> or
>
> "go two one two nine nine nine"
>
> ...hmmm?
>
> And show a different outcome for your home address...
>
> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
>
> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri already knows
> that whatever you say next is going to be a destination. The clue was
> Siri saying "Directions to where?".
>
> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB. Not a
> business at all.
>
> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called "Indianapolis
> R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on your part, right, Little Shit?
>
> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
>
> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're parked, him...
>
> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on a
> touchscreen rather than on the road.
>
> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
>
> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt to
> stalk/dox me.
>
> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with whether you
> are inside or outside your garage.
>
> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception", you're not
> just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple Maps (and not it
> isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just another stunning
> misunderstanding of what is going on) and Google Maps both use
> voice-to-text processing to convert what you say into text and then used
> their designed processes to search their respective databases for an answer.
>
> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana"
> in it. It has nothing to with Siri whatsoever. Try typing it in on your
> iPad or iPhone and you'll get precisely the same result.
>
> Now,
> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
>
> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> And how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone working
> perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused by
> "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer to me—and
> so I say "Indianapolis")
>
> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions and they DID
> work.
>
> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by saying "go to".
>
> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of others)
> is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to keep speaking (how
> long you can pause while you collect your thoughts) but you need to find
> that under Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not under "Siri & Search" (which
> is a little dumb).
>
> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what it has
> interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your "go to/two/too
> one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it shows very quickly what
> happened.
>
> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to manor care
> carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving directions to HCR
> ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure little clubs Apple Maps didn't
> have data for, you somehow just overlooked that option, huh?
>
> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to find YOUR
> business... ...even if I type it in so there can be no error. "FXXXXXXN LLC"
>
> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show that in
> your video, did you?

Alan, Alan, Alan.

Siri is voice recognition. Any time you say Hey Siri your device starts listening and Siri turns your voice commands to actions programmed into the system.

OK, I just followed your very precise driving directions search phrase. You are right it does work. BUT if I omit "Carmel Indiana" it fails. If say "Navigate To" or "Go To" it fails. Thanks, you make my point. Siri requires a very precise spoken phrase to find this address. Google does not. "Go To" and "Drive To" work just fine for Google Maps. Google is much better at interpreting context and performing the requested task.

What's the point of wanting "Hey Google" in place of "Hey Siri" on iPhone? It actually works where Siri fails. After all, I can choose my default browser and email. Why not voice commands too? Apple forces you to use Siri, a clearly inferior solution. You just proved it. Thanks very much.

Finally, I only had one bar of cell reception in the garage. Not on the video there were some lookup failures, so I left the garage for better reception.