On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 6:30:14 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-21 04:48, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:32:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-19 14:33, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-15 04:30, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 1:12:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-05-14 09:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ...and Siri isn't simply using voice recognition:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 'With Maps open in CarPlay, do one of the following:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Select a place you saved as a favorite. (See Save
> >>>>>>>> favorite places in Maps on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Select Destinations, then select a recent destination
> >>>>>>>> or scroll to select a destination you saved in a
> >>>>>>>> collection. (See Organize places in My Guides in Maps
> >>>>>>>> on iPhone.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Select Search, then select the Microphone button to
> >>>>>>>> speak a search phrase, or select the Keyboard button to
> >>>>>>>> use the onscreen keyboard (if available). You can also
> >>>>>>>> select a destination from a category of nearby
> >>>>>>>> services, such as Parking or Restaurants.'
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph215b053f6/ios>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> Notice they never once call speaking an address after selecting
> >>>>>>>> "Search" using Siri.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> CarPlay does use Siri.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-siri-iph0aa8c80e6/ios#:~:text=CarPlay%20uses%20Siri%20voice%20control,in%20controls%20to%20control%20CarPlay.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> Use Siri to ask a question or to do something. Siri: Say something
> >>>>>>> like: “Get directions to the nearest coffee shop” “Call
> >>>>>>> Eliza Block” “Play more songs like this one” “Show me
> >>>>>>> the map” “What’s my next meeting?” “What’s the weather
> >>>>>>> for today?”
> >>>>>> That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your statement is analogous to claiming a peripheral such
> >>>>>> as a printer "uses" the operating system.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You have it backwards.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Siri isn't the voice recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Siri is a digital assistant that USES the voice
> >>>>>> recognition facility of iOS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can turn off Siri completely, and still use
> >>>>>> speech-to-text.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In fact Siri has to be enabled for any voice commands to
> >>>>>>> work on CarPlay devices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://stereoupgrade.com/how-to-use-carplay-without-siri/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> In any event when I try to get that location via Siri on my
> >>>>>>> iPad or iPhone the street number also drops out. It
> >>>>>>> worked for you. Maybe voice recognition issue?
> >>>>>> Operator error, or...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...far more likely...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...deliberate misuse by you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Post a video including what YOU said.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You've demanded video after video from me, so put up or
> >>>>>> shut up, you lying Little Shit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, I now understand that you can use Apple Maps (and other
> >>>>> Apple apps) with Siri turned off by using the mic icon in
> >>>>> the search bar. Good to know. Thanks for pointing that out.
> >>>> It was utterly obvious, but you're wellcome.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have also discovered that you can use Google Maps with
> >>>>> voice search by speaking Hey Siri/Hey Google asking for
> >>>>> directions to an address. That brings up Google maps with
> >>>>> spoken directions with no manual interaction.
> >>>> Sorry, but I would like to see a video of you bringing up
> >>>> Google Maps with "Hey Google" on an iPhone.
> >>>>> That does not work within CarPlay though. Siri says you can't
> >>>>> use Google search while driving. Good to know too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, let me get this all straight before I make any more
> >>>>> videos.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You: " That shows you can use SIRI to control Carplay." Me:
> >>>>> (Please at least spell CarPlay correctly!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Me: You claim that I can turn off Siri and still use CarPlay
> >>>>> by opening Apple Maps in CarPlay and typing in a
> >>>>> destination?
> >>>> I would expect so, yes. Frankly, I'd expect you could still
> >>>> use voice-to-text, but I don't know precisely how it works
> >>>> because I haven't had a lot of opportunity to play with CarPlay
> >>>> as my BMW doesn't have it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You: Post a video with sound showing the 12999 address error
> >>>>> with Siri lookup and you will admit it's really an error?
> >>>> I wrote nothing remotely like that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is what I plan to do: 1. Use a second phone to record
> >>>>> the video in order to capture sound. 2. Turn off Siri. 3. Use
> >>>>> the mic in the Maps search bar to try and find the 12999
> >>>>> address by dictation only. 4. Turn Siri back on. 5.
> >>>>> Retraining Siri voice recognition is required, and will be
> >>>>> performed. 6. Use Siri to try and find the 12999 address.
> >>>> How about you do the last part first, Little Shit?
> >>>>
> >>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> >>>>
> >>>> ...hmmm?
> >>>
> >>> Well, I have had 4 years of CarPlay experience spread over 3
> >>> cars. My Honda Insight, the current Accord and the wife's 2015
> >>> CRV with a retrofit Pioneer entertainment system/wireless CarPlay
> >>> have taught me a lot. At least you were honest about lack of
> >>> first hand knowledge.
> >> Yes. I am by my nature, very honest.
> >>> Hint, CarPlay has no non-Siri option. As I show in the video
> >>> below CarPlay will not even run unless Siri is active on your
> >>> controlling iPhone. Siri is the only CarPlay voice command.
> >> So that is a CHOICE Apple has made; most likely because they want
> >> you to not interact with a touchscreen unless there is no other
> >> way.
> >>> Hello Google verbal search is not permitted on the CarPlay
> >>> platform.
> >> So? How is that relevant?
> >>> FYI you can get to Google Maps verbal search with 3 finger
> >>> touches: Map screen/Search/Microphone icon is the touch
> >>> combination once Google Maps is in full screen mode.
> >> Yup. iOS. Map screen, tap text entry box, tap microphone icon in
> >> keyboard.
> >>> If not on CarPlay no touching is required for Google Maps
> >>> directions:
> >> Stop mixing these two things up.
> >>> Hey Siri/Hey Google/Go to <say destination address> takes you to
> >>> Google Maps with the route up on Google Maps and ready to be
> >>> started from current location. Why not on CarPlay? Apple wants
> >>> you to use THEIR inferior voice response and Maps. If you are
> >>> already in the Maps app and make a Siri destination request why
> >>> does Siri need "navigate to..."? Makes no sense to me.
> >> Because, you incredible simpleton:
> >>
> >> SIRI IS NOT JUST VOICE RECOGNITION.
> >>
> >> You can use Siri while you happen to be looking at the Maps app...
> >>
> >> ...because Siri can do other things!
> >>
> >> You're not using Google's equivalent of Siri when you tap the
> >> microphone icon from within Google maps. That is equivalent to
> >> tapping the microphone icon in Apple
> >>>
> >>> Sorry it took a few days, but here is the detailed Car Play
> >>> video with narration. In the car, in the garage and out, using
> >>> Siri/Apple Maps and Google/Google Maps. Siri fails on multiple
> >>> levels. Car Play will not even run unless Siri is enabled. Why?
> >>> Google Maps needs 3 tries to find bakerMedia, but otherwise
> >>> flawless.
> >>>
> >>> It's a lot more detailed and honest video than your attempt by
> >>> someone with limited experience. Note that the upload finished
> >>> at about 1720 EDT today 19 May. It takes Google some time to do
> >>> their processing and make it playable from the cloud. Suggest you
> >>> wait a few hours before trying access. 1.28 GB 60 FPS 1080p HD.
> >>>
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SDYVyHb79Qf1mk97NDUOxAxbIQ9zmsoS/view?usp=share_link
> >>
> >>>
> So, just by retraining "Hey Siri", you should know that Siri does a lot
> >> more than just allow you to get directions.
> >>
> >> And you said "Go to" when I EXPLICITLY told you what to say:
> >>>> How about you simply make a video including your voice saying:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street".
> >> Why? Because you are a liar done to your core.
> >>
> >> Note an issue that you need to consider:
> >>
> >> Can Siri tell if you said:
> >>
> >> "go to one two nine nine nine"
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> "go two one two nine nine nine"
> >>
> >> ...hmmm?
> >>
> >> And show a different outcome for your home address...
> >>
> >> ...because you used a different method to invoke Siri.
> >>
> >> You it the "Search" button within the Maps app, so Siri already
> >> knows that whatever you say next is going to be a destination. The
> >> clue was Siri saying "Directions to where?".
> >>
> >> And "Corsair Field, Danville Indiana" is a VERY obscure CLUB. Not
> >> a business at all.
> >>
> >> "Indianapolis R/C flyers, [mumble]town" is actually called
> >> "Indianapolis R/C MODELLERS", but that was just an error on your
> >> part, right, Little Shit?
> >>
> >> And this isn't about Siri being perfect. It's about you (now)
> >> deliberately misusing it to try to "prove" your points.
> >>
> >> But you'd better use Google Maps in CarPlay while you're parked,
> >> him...
> >>
> >> ...anyone can see how long your attention would have to be on a
> >> touchscreen rather than on the road.
> >>
> >> As for not finding "baker media vancouver"...
> >>
> >> ...the only possible purpose for that is your continued attempt to
> >> stalk/dox me.
> >>
> >> And Siri's successes and failures have NOTHING to do with whether
> >> you are inside or outside your garage.
> >>
> >> If you think any of this is at all based on "cell reception",
> >> you're not just a liar... ...you're an ignoramus. Siri, Apple Maps
> >> (and not it isn't "Apple Maps in Siri"; that's just another
> >> stunning misunderstanding of what is going on) and Google Maps both
> >> use voice-to-text processing to convert what you say into text and
> >> then used their designed processes to search their respective
> >> databases for an answer.
> >>
> >> Apple's location database doesn't have "Corsair Field, Danville
> >> Indiana" in it. It has nothing to with Siri whatsoever. Try typing
> >> it in on your iPad or iPhone and you'll get precisely the same
> >> result.
> >>
> >> Now, How about you simply make a video including your voice
> >> saying:
> >>
> >> "Hey Siri, driving directions to 12999 Pennsylvania Street". And
> >> how about you admit that I showed you a video of my iPhone working
> >> perfectly. (Although, I do admit that it gets confused by
> >> "Carmel"—because of "Carmel-by-the-sea" being so much closer to
> >> me—and so I say "Indianapolis")
> >>
> >> But my bet is that you did try out my explicit instructions and
> >> they DID work.
> >>
> >> So that's why you deliberately set out to make Siri fail by saying
> >> "go to".
> >>
> >> One thing that I will say to you (much more for the benefit of
> >> others) is that you can vary how long Siri will wait for to keep
> >> speaking (how long you can pause while you collect your thoughts)
> >> but you need to find that under Settings:Accessibility:Siri, not
> >> under "Siri & Search" (which is a little dumb).
> >>
> >> BTW, you can turn on the option to have Siri always show what it
> >> has interpreted as what you spoke. When I did that for your "go
> >> to/two/too one two nine nine nine pennsylvania street", it shows
> >> very quickly what happened.
> >>
> >> Also, BTW. Siri would happily give you "driving directions to manor
> >> care carmel indiana" (replying "Getting driving directions to HCR
> >> ManorCare..." And despite all the obscure little clubs Apple Maps
> >> didn't have data for, you somehow just overlooked that option,
> >> huh?
> >>
> >> Also, also, BTW, your vaunted Google Maps fails utterly to find
> >> YOUR business... ...even if I type it in so there can be no error.
> >> "FXXXXXXN LLC"
> >>
> >> Interesting you were happy to dox me, but didn't want to show that
> >> in your video, did you?
> >
> > Alan, Alan, Alan.
> Little Shit, Little Shit, Little Shit.
> >
> > Siri is voice recognition. Any time you say Hey Siri your device
> > starts listening and Siri turns your voice commands to actions
> > programmed into the system.
> No. Siri is a digital assistant that USES voice recognition.
>
> If Siri was only voice recognition, it wouldn't do anything with the
> words you spoke.
>
> Your first error was trying to use Siri as if it only did directions, so
> you thought simply speaking an address
> >
> > OK, I just followed your very precise driving directions search
> > phrase. You are right it does work. BUT if I omit "Carmel Indiana" it
> > fails. If say "Navigate To" or "Go To" it fails. Thanks, you make my
> > point. Siri requires a very precise spoken phrase to find this
> > address.
> Let's see the video...you lying Little Shit.
> > Google does not. "Go To" and "Drive To" work just fine for
> > Google Maps. Google is much better at interpreting context and
> > performing the requested task.
> Because Google MAPS has a tighter FOCUS. Google MAPS assumes that
> anything you SPEAK to when tapping the microphone icon in Google MAPS is
> in the context of a LOCATION.
> >
> > What's the point of wanting "Hey Google" in place of "Hey Siri" on
> > iPhone? It actually works where Siri fails.
> You talk about "Hey Google" doing something that "Hey Siri" doesn't (and
> expose that you don't actually know what it would do, because the
> activating phrase for Google's voice assistant is "Okay Google"), but no
> actual example has show you USING "Hey Google".
>
> Funny that.
> > After all, I can choose
> > my default browser and email. Why not voice commands too? Apple
> > forces you to use Siri, a clearly inferior solution. You just proved
> > it. Thanks very much.
> You just proved you're a lying Little Shit.
>
> Again.
> >
> > Finally, I only had one bar of cell reception in the garage. Not on
> > the video there were some lookup failures, so I left the garage for
> > better reception.
> Ah, so your video was edited.
>
> Got it.

No, the video was not edited. When I started the video session I saw the issue, then started over.

As for "Siri", when I use that word I refer to the system, including underlying components.

You lied in the subject line "CarPlay isn't Siri" That implies you can use CarPlay without Siri. You can't.