On 2023-11-23 14:39, John wrote:
> On 11/23/23 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
>>> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone connected to an external converter.  Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course is no longer a comparison just between two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based music player to get the best music high fidelity off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component above
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you go
>>>>>>>>>>> to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
>>>>>>>>>> "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product
>>>>>>>>>> from anyone...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep
>>>>>>>>> going in circles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>>>
>>>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>>>
>>>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
>>>> little loser.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>
>>>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>
>>>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>
>>>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>>>
>>>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs
>>>> to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>>>
>>>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>>>
>>> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
>>> headphone products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying to
>>> smear the facts.   But that is what you always do.
>>
>> I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
>>
>> Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
>>
>> Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
>> 192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?
>
>
> I claimed Apple did not support 192/24 over its Bluetooth 5.3.

That is a lie, little loser.

Here is your complete text:

'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy an
Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music high
fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple
from an Apple fan. '

Please copy and paste the passage that mentions "Bluetooth".

>  Which is
> a true statement.

Furthermore, NO PHONE supports 192khz/24-bit audio, little loser.

As I have demonstrated to you.