On 2023-11-23 19:02, John wrote:
> On 11/23/2023 2:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-23 14:39, John wrote:
>>> On 11/23/23 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wired headphone connected to an external converter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of course is no longer a comparison just between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two different types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based music player to get the best music high fidelity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off of Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again,
>>>>>>>>>>>> to "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product
>>>>>>>>>>>> from anyone...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep
>>>>>>>>>>> going in circles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>>>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>>>>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
>>>>>> little loser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone
>>>>>> needs to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>>>>>
>>>>> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
>>>>> headphone products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying
>>>>> to smear the facts.   But that is what you always do.
>>>>
>>>> I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
>>>>
>>>> Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
>>>>
>>>> Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
>>>> 192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?
>>>
>>>
>>> I claimed Apple did not support 192/24 over its Bluetooth 5.3.
>>
>> That is a lie, little loser.
>>
>> Here is your complete text:
>>
>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
>> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>
>> Please copy and paste the passage that mentions "Bluetooth".
>>
>>>   Which is a true statement.
>>
>> Furthermore, NO PHONE supports 192khz/24-bit audio, little loser.
>>
>> As I have demonstrated to you.
>
>
>
> Yet you said you "proved" the iPhone supports 192/24 bit?   Hmmm.

I showed you the relevant Apple article, Little Loser.

Do I need to post it again?

If you want to lose some more, that's fine with me.

:-)