On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 10:30:12 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-02-08 17:17, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 7:06:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2024-02-08 05:56, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 11:40:14 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2024-02-06 08:09, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 4:57:51 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-02-04 05:45, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> Watch this
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJY2wYfN4gs
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This video by a highly experienced Apple products user
> >>>>>>> explains in detail the mess that is Siri. Note that he
> >>>>>>> also has experienced the CarPlay/Siri address lookup
> >>>>>>> failure that I see on a regular basis too.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When you get the money together to get a car with
> >>>>>>> CarPlay and experience it on a daily basis you too will
> >>>>>>> find that Siri on CarPlay is not the same as Siri not on
> >>>>>>> CarPlay. But as explained in the video that is far from
> >>>>>>> the only issue.
> >>>>>> Since you don't understand what Siri is to begin with...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...(as evidence by you not understanding the difference
> >>>>>> between making a general request to Siri vs using voice
> >>>>>> recognition in a text field that knows it's going to be
> >>>>>> told an address)...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...perhaps a dick like you should drop it before you look
> >>>>>> even more stupid?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Asshole, I do understand the difference. I note you do not
> >>>>> even respond to the video, just insult the messenger. More
> >>>>> details for your education:
> >>>> And as usual, you are now trying to "educate" me about things
> >>>> that I explained to YOU.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Siri is Apple's voice interpretation heuristic algorithm
> >>>>> that interfaces with Google (by default, but 3 other options)
> >>>>> to translate voice requests to the search engine and return
> >>>>> results. Siri is functionally equivalent to the Google
> >>>>> Assistant voice interpretation functionality.
> >>>> But it isn't equivalent to expect a general query to Siri to be
> >>>> the same as tapping the microphone icon inside the search field
> >>>> of Google Maps, dick.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Google's voice assistant works better, but pays Apple
> >>>>> $billions every year to make Google the default search engine
> >>>>> for iOS. Why? Google makes money on Search results. Google
> >>>>> would love to avoid those payments to Apple and have its
> >>>>> Google Assistant as the iOS default, but of course Apple
> >>>>> loves those Google payments and would never allow that to
> >>>>> happen. However you can still invoke Google Assistant on iOS
> >>>>> with a "Hey Siri Hey Google" verbal command!
> >>>> Wrong on at least a couple of levels, dick.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now you need to admit that as shown in the video there are
> >>>>> Siri problems so severe that even Apple developers are
> >>>>> reportedly frustrated with it.
> >>>> I don't need to do anything for a dick like you.
> >>>
> >>> You did not explain anything to me, I already knew how Siri
> >>> works.
> >> No. You clearly did not.
> >>> I did not use a general Siri search for an address.
> >> Yes. You quite clearly did.
> >>> I even gave you a link to a video showing that.
> >> Rewriting history again, dick?
> >>
> >> I can see you've carefully taken down the videos you used to
> >> "prove" your claims previously.
> >>
> >> When was that?
> >>> I used Siri from Apple Maps running on CarPlay.
> >> No. You gave a general query to Siri without even prefacing it
> >> with "directions to".
> >>> Searching for an address in Apple Maps and Google Maps is
> >>> functionally equivalent and should give the same results.
> >> Giving a general query to Siri is functionally different than
> >> tapping on the microphone icon IN Google's address field.
> >>> What is different is that Siri results when using CarPlay are
> >>> different from an iPhone alone.
> >> Not when they are used in the same way, they aren't.
> >>> Of course, since you don't have CarPlay in your BMW, you cannot
> >>> even speak to using CarPlay on a daily basis like I do in my
> >>> Accord and CRV.
> >> No... ...I can just use my iPhone to do exactly the same things.
> >>>
> >>> Wrong about Google's Voice Assistant on a couple of levels? What
> >>> precisely is wrong? Refute with facts and links, not just
> >>> allegations.
> >>>
> >>> If there is an asshole in this conversation it's YOU! You will
> >>> not give a complete and honest answer to anything.
> >> What are your children's full names and birthdates?
> >>
> >> And Paula's. You certainly didn't mind putting her email out
> >> there.
> >>
> >> What? You won't give a complete and honest answer?
> >>
> >> Shocking.
> >
> > No I did not use Siri outside Maps.
> You're a liar or just too stupid to drive.
>
> You used SIRI and simply assumed that if Maps was showing, that anything
> you said would be limited to directions.
> > I did take those videos down. My Google Drive space was running low.
> Sure... ...dick.
> >
> > But I made a YouTube video last April in which I show that Siri on
> > CarPlay outside and within Maps fails to find two business locations
> > that Google can. Try the same on CarPlay in YOUR car. Then show me
> > your results on YouTube.
> And you still don't understand that Siri via CarPlay is STILL just using
> Siri...
>
> ...ON YOUR PHONE.
> >
> > Here is the video link. You can skip the intro, it has chapter
> > markers to let you do that. Yes, CarPlay makes a difference
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R7VdYHcmEk
> And right away, you assume that because you've brought up Apple Maps,
> anything you say to Siri will be interpreted as a request for directions:
>
> "Hey Siri, Northeast Taildraggers RC Club, Noblesville".
>
> As I've now said many times (because you're apparently too thick to
> comprehend it):
>
> Siri is a general purpose digital assistant.
>
> Just because Apple Maps is frontmost doesn't prevent you from asking
> Siri to play music or make a phone call.
>
> And even if Apple Maps doesn't find "Northeastside Taildraggers RC
> Aviation Club" (that's the name Google finds for it), that has nothing
> to do with Siri per se.
>
> And when you said, "12999" you dropped "north"...
>
> ...but when you searched using Google Maps, you suddenly included
> "north" again.
>
> You don't have an honest bone in your entire body... ...dick.
>
> And as we discussed before, you could have simple said "Get directions
> to Manor Care".
>
> That works from here in Vancouver... ...dick.
> >
> > My wife's and kids' personal details are very different from asking
> > you to point out my errors. You used that as a deflection to dodge my
> > question because you can't admit I'm correct.
> I used it to point out your hypocrisy...
>
> ..and it worked just as I thought.
>
> If I don't answer to your satisfaction, that means I have something to
> hide; even when it IS private.

For someone who does not use CarPlay on a daily basis you seem to think you know how it works. It's not the same experience you get using Siri from a phone or tablet. As I said in the video, Siri works most of the time. Google Assistant is better at fuzzy logic.

Finally, if Siri cannot understand that a request coming from the Apple Maps App on CarPlay is asking for a location or directions what good is it for that purpose? That's the basis of the many issues cited in the YouTube video cited above. Now with the launch of Copilot Siri is falling even farther behind.