On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my side
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone connected to an external converter.  Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> course is no longer a comparison just between two different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he
>>>>>>>>>>>> was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component above
>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore Android
>>>>>>>>>>> superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you go
>>>>>>>>> to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
>>>>>>>> "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from
>>>>>>>> anyone...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep going
>>>>>>> in circles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>
>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>
>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>
>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>
>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>
>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>
>>>
>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>
>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>
>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong, little
>> loser.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>
>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>
>>
>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>
>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>
>>
>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>
>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>
>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs
>> to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>
>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>
> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their headphone
> products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying to smear the
> facts.   But that is what you always do.

I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.

Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.

Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?