On 11/23/23 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
>> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone connected to an external converter.  Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course is no longer a comparison just between two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>> based music player to get the best music high fidelity off
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component above
>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore Android
>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you go
>>>>>>>>>> to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
>>>>>>>>> "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from
>>>>>>>>> anyone...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep
>>>>>>>> going in circles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>>
>>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>>
>>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>>
>>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
>>> little loser.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>
>>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>
>>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>
>>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>>
>>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs
>>> to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>>
>>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>>
>> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
>> headphone products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying to
>> smear the facts.   But that is what you always do.
>
> I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
>
> Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
>
> Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
> 192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?

I claimed Apple did not support 192/24 over its Bluetooth 5.3. Which is
a true statement.