On 6/10/2022 8:23 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 08:05:57 -0500
> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/10/2022 6:11 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 17:35:05 -0500
>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/9/2022 5:27 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 17:18:38 -0500
>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 5:15 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 17:09:08 -0500
>>>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 4:54 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/22 5:29 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 4:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/22 5:00 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 3:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/22 4:13 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 2:57 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/22 3:52 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 2:38 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/22 3:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 1:12 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/22 1:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 12:46 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 12:39:32 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 12:28 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 12:15:24 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 12:06 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/22 12:54 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2022 11:34 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/22 11:47 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> void P(u32 x)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      if (H(x, x))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      return;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> int main()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      P(P);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _P()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012e7](01)  55              push ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012e8](02)  8bec            mov ebp,esp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012ea](03)  8b4508          mov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eax,[ebp+08] [000012ed](01)  50
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push eax [000012ee](03)  8b4d08
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mov ecx,[ebp+08] [000012f1](01)  51
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push ecx [000012f2](05)  e880feffff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call 00001177 // call H [000012f7](03)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 83c408 add esp,+08 [000012fa](02)  85c0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test eax,eax [000012fc](02)  7402
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jz 00001300 [000012fe](02)  ebfe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmp 000012fe [00001300](01)  5d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pop ebp [00001301](01)  c3              ret
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0027) [00001301]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _main()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001307](01)  55              push ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001308](02)  8bec            mov ebp,esp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000130a](05)  68e7120000      push
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 000012e7 // push P [0000130f](05)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e8d3ffffff call 000012e7 // call P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001314](03) 83c404 add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001317](02)  33c0 xor eax,eax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001319](01)  5d pop ebp [0000131a](01)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c3              ret Size in bytes:(0020)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000131a]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     machine   stack     stack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine assembly address   address   data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     code language ========  ========
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ======== ========= =============
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001307][00102190][00000000] 55
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push ebp [00001308][00102190][00000000]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8bec mov ebp,esp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000130a][0010218c][000012e7] 68e7120000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push 000012e7 // push P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000130f][00102188][00001314] e8d3ffffff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call 000012e7 // call P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012e7][00102184][00102190] 55 push ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // enter executed P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012e8][00102184][00102190] 8bec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mov ebp,esp [000012ea][00102184][00102190]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012ed][00102180][000012e7] 50 push eax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      // push P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012ee][00102180][000012e7] 8b4d08 mov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ecx,[ebp+08]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012f1][0010217c][000012e7] 51 push ecx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // push P [000012f2][00102178][000012f7]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e880feffff call 00001177 // call H
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Execution Trace Stored
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at:212244 [000012e7][00212230][00212234] 55
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push ebp // enter emulated P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012e8][00212230][00212234] 8bec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mov ebp,esp [000012ea][00212230][00212234]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012ed][0021222c][000012e7] 50
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push eax      //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push P [000012ee][0021222c][000012e7]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012f1][00212228][000012e7] 51 push ecx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // push P [000012f2][00212224][000012f7]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e880feffff call 00001177 // call H
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, by what instruction reference manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a call 00001177
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followedby the execution of the instruction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at 000012e7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your "CPU" is broken, or emulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAIL.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012e7][0025cc58][0025cc5c] 55
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push ebp      //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter emulated P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012e8][0025cc58][0025cc5c] 8bec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mov ebp,esp [000012ea][0025cc58][0025cc5c]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012ed][0025cc54][000012e7] 50
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push eax      //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push P [000012ee][0025cc54][000012e7]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [000012f1][0025cc50][000012e7] 51 push ecx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // push P [000012f2][0025cc4c][000012f7]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e880feffff call 00001177 // call H Local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Detected Simulation Stopped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is completely obvious that when H(P,P)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly emulates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its input that it must emulate the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seven instructions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P. Because the seventh instruction of P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeats this process we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know with complete certainty that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct and complete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulation of P by H would never reach its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> final “ret” instruction, thus never halts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Problem, the 7th intruction DOESN't "Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeat the procedure",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because that H always has the option to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abort its simulation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just like this onne did, and return to its P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and see it halt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT YOU ARE SIMPLY TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS NO ACTUAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> REBUTTAL AT ALL:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The partial correct x86 emulation of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input to H(P,P) conclusively proves that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete and correct x86 emulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never stop running.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You SAY that, but you don't answer the actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions about HOW.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT YOU ARE SIMPLY TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS NO EVIDENCE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHAT-SO-EVER THAT I DID NOT COMPLETELY PROVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT THE CORRECT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PARTIAL EMULATION OF THE INPUT TO H(P,P)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONCLUSIVELY PROVES THAT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THE CORRECT AND COMPLETE X86 EMULATION OF THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INPUT TO H(P,P)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOULD NEVER STOP RUNNING.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is completely obvious that when H(P,P)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly emulates its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input that it must emulate the first seven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions of P.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because the seventh instruction of P repeats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this process we know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with complete certainty that the correct and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete emulation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P by H would never reach its final “ret”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction, thus never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If P should have halted (i.e. no infinite loop)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then your simulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detector, S (not H), gets the answer wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You S is NOT a halting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decider.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Flibble
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT YOU ARE SIMPLY TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THIS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IS NO ACTUAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> REBUTTAL AT ALL.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _P()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001352](01)  55              push ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001353](02)  8bec            mov ebp,esp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001355](03)  8b4508          mov eax,[ebp+08]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00001358](01)  50              push eax      //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push P [00001359](03)  8b4d08          mov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ecx,[ebp+08] [0000135c](01)  51              push
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ecx      // push P [0000135d](05)  e840feffff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call 000011a2 // call H [00001362](03)  83c408
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    add esp,+08 [00001365](02)  85c0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test eax,eax [00001367](02)  7402            jz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0000136b [00001369](02)  ebfe            jmp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 00001369 [0000136b](01)  5d              pop ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000136c](01)  c3              ret
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0027) [0000136c]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is completely obvious that when H(P,P)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly emulates its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input that it must emulate the first seven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions of P. Because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the seventh instruction of P repeats this process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we know with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete certainty that the correct and complete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulation of P by H
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never reach its final “ret” instruction,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus never halts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are going around and around and around in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circles. I will try again:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you replace the opcodes "EB FE" at 00001369
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the opcodes "90 90"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then your H gets the answer wrong: P should have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Flibble
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I already said before this is merely your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cluelessness that when H(P,P) is invoked the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct x86 emulation of the input to H(P,P) makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and code after [0000135d] unreachable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, because when that H return the value 0, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will get there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like I said people that are dumber than a box of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks won't be able to correctly understand this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When H(P,P) is invoked the correctly emulated input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to H(P,P) cannot possibly reach any instruction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond [0000135d].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are defining that you H(P,P) never returns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is caught in the infinite rcursion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thats fine, just says it can't be the correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answering decider you claim it to be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have corrected you on this too many times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How. You need to define what H(P,P) actually does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have explained that too many times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To understand that H(P,P)==0 is correct we only need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that H performs a correct x86 emulation of its input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then examine the execution trace.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And a CORRECT emulation of the code will Halt if H(P,P)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> returns 0, which it can only do if it does not actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do a correct emulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The correctly emulated input to H(P,P) never gets past its
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine address [0000135d].
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only if H actually doesn't return 0. Yes, H can't correctly
>>>>>>>>>>> return 0 if it correctly emulates its input, but you can't
>>>>>>>>>>> drop that requirement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> void P(u32 x)
>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>    if (H(x, x))
>>>>>>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> int main()
>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>    Output("Input_Halts = ", H((u32)P, (u32)P));
>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When H returns 0 it does not returns 0 to P it returns 0 to
>>>>>>>>>> main().
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it also return 0 to the computation P(P), maybe not the
>>>>>>>>> copy that it is simulating, since it aborts that before it
>>>>>>>>> get to it,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally you are not stupid or deceptive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If H never returns a value to P then H is not a halting decider;
>>>>>>> if H returns a value of 0 to main() when P halts then H is not a
>>>>>>> halting decider.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> H is not a halting decider; H is a simulation detector, S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Flibble
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words you are saying the infintely nested emulation only
>>>>>> excutes for a few steps and then it stops on its own.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am saying that your H is not a halting decider; I am saying that
>>>>> your H is just a simulation detector, S.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Flibble
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are saying that you simply "don't believe in" simulating halt
>>>> deciders.
>>>
>>> You haven't got a simulating halt decider, what you have got is a
>>> simulation detector.
>>>
>>> /Flibble
>>>
>>
>> It is an easily verified fact that H does correctly decide the halt
>> status of its input.
>>
>> void Infinite_Loop()
>> {
>> HERE: goto HERE;
>> }
>>
>> int main()
>> {
>> Output("Input_Halts = ", H0(Infinite_Loop));
>> }
>>
>> _Infinite_Loop()
>> [00001342](01) 55 push ebp
>> [00001343](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
>> [00001345](02) ebfe jmp 00001345
>> [00001347](01) 5d pop ebp
>> [00001348](01) c3 ret
>> Size in bytes:(0007) [00001348]
>>
>> _main()
>> [00001372](01) 55 push ebp
>> [00001373](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
>> [00001375](05) 6842130000 push 00001342
>> [0000137a](05) e833fdffff call 000010b2
>> [0000137f](03) 83c404 add esp,+04
>> [00001382](01) 50 push eax
>> [00001383](05) 6823040000 push 00000423
>> [00001388](05) e8e5f0ffff call 00000472
>> [0000138d](03) 83c408 add esp,+08
>> [00001390](02) 33c0 xor eax,eax
>> [00001392](01) 5d pop ebp
>> [00001393](01) c3 ret
>> Size in bytes:(0034) [00001393]
>>
>> machine stack stack machine assembly
>> address address data code language
>> ======== ======== ======== ========= =============
>> [00001372][0010228f][00000000] 55 push ebp
>> [00001373][0010228f][00000000] 8bec mov ebp,esp
>> [00001375][0010228b][00001342] 6842130000 push 00001342 // push
>> _Infinite_Loop
>> [0000137a][00102287][0000137f] e833fdffff call 000010b2 // call H0
>>
>> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation Execution Trace Stored at:212343
>> [00001342][00212333][00212337] 55 push ebp
>> [00001343][00212333][00212337] 8bec mov ebp,esp
>> [00001345][00212333][00212337] ebfe jmp 00001345
>> [00001345][00212333][00212337] ebfe jmp 00001345
>> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Loop Detected Simulation Stopped
>>
>> [0000137f][0010228f][00000000] 83c404 add esp,+04
>> [00001382][0010228b][00000000] 50 push eax
>> [00001383][00102287][00000423] 6823040000 push 00000423
>> [00001388][00102287][00000423] e8e5f0ffff call 00000472
>> Input_Halts = 0
>> [0000138d][0010228f][00000000] 83c408 add esp,+08
>> [00001390][0010228f][00000000] 33c0 xor eax,eax
>> [00001392][00102293][00100000] 5d pop ebp
>> [00001393][00102297][00000004] c3 ret
>> Number of Instructions Executed(680)
>>
>> int Sum(int X, int Y)
>> {
>> return X + Y;
>> }
>>
>> int main()
>> {
>> Output("Input_Halts = ", H2(Sum, 3, 4));
>> }
>>
>> _Sum()
>> [000012b6](01) 55 push ebp
>> [000012b7](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
>> [000012b9](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
>> [000012bc](03) 03450c add eax,[ebp+0c]
>> [000012bf](01) 5d pop ebp
>> [000012c0](01) c3 ret
>> Size in bytes:(0011) [000012c0]
>>
>> _main()
>> [00001316](01) 55 push ebp
>> [00001317](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
>> [00001319](02) 6a04 push +04
>> [0000131b](02) 6a03 push +03
>> [0000131d](05) 68b6120000 push 000012b6
>> [00001322](05) e85ffaffff call 00000d86
>> [00001327](03) 83c40c add esp,+0c
>> [0000132a](01) 50 push eax
>> [0000132b](05) 6807040000 push 00000407
>> [00001330](05) e821f1ffff call 00000456
>> [00001335](03) 83c408 add esp,+08
>> [00001338](02) 33c0 xor eax,eax
>> [0000133a](01) 5d pop ebp
>> [0000133b](01) c3 ret
>> Size in bytes:(0038) [0000133b]
>>
>> machine stack stack machine assembly
>> address address data code language
>> ======== ======== ======== ========= =============
>> ...[00001316][001021d7][00000000] 55 push ebp
>> ...[00001317][001021d7][00000000] 8bec mov ebp,esp
>> ...[00001319][001021d3][00000004] 6a04 push +04
>> ...[0000131b][001021cf][00000003] 6a03 push +03
>> ...[0000131d][001021cb][000012b6] 68b6120000 push 000012b6
>> ...[00001322][001021c7][00001327] e85ffaffff call 00000d86
>>
>> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation Execution Trace Stored at:21228b
>> ...[000012b6][00212273][00212277] 55 push ebp
>> ...[000012b7][00212273][00212277] 8bec mov ebp,esp
>> ...[000012b9][00212273][00212277] 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
>> ...[000012bc][00212273][00212277] 03450c add eax,[ebp+0c]
>> ...[000012bf][00212277][00000e54] 5d pop ebp
>> ...[000012c0][0021227b][00000003] c3 ret
>> ...[00001327][001021d7][00000000] 83c40c add esp,+0c
>> ...[0000132a][001021d3][00000001] 50 push eax
>> ...[0000132b][001021cf][00000407] 6807040000 push 00000407
>> ---[00001330][001021cf][00000407] e821f1ffff call 00000456
>> Input_Halts = 1
>> ...[00001335][001021d7][00000000] 83c408 add esp,+08
>> ...[00001338][001021d7][00000000] 33c0 xor eax,eax
>> ...[0000133a][001021db][00100000] 5d pop ebp
>> ...[0000133b][001021df][00000004] c3 ret
>> Number of Instructions Executed(660)
>
> All you are showing here is that your H can decide the halt status of
> two trivial cases however you have not shown that H can decide the halt
> status of non-trivial cases.
>

You said:
"You haven't got a simulating halt decider"
Apologize and we can move on.

> Publish the source code of your halt decider so we can see what classes
> of programs your H can decide.
>
> I am interested in deciding the halt status of programs containing
> non-trivial branching logic predicated on arbitrary program input.
>
> Crucially if your H cannot return an answer for an arbitrary
> non-halting program in finite time then it isn't a halt decider.
>
> /Flibble
>

--
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

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