On 5/18/2022 12:30 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 5/17/2022 11:42 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On 5/17/2022 10:27 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2022 7:06 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:16:50 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-05-17 11:19 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:40:17 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 08:37:56 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 20:02:35 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:32:23 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:52:55 -0500, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-15 10:33 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 06:23:55 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2022 10:55 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-13 10:12 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for a new computer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How the heck did you come to that conclusion based on what I said?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will enjoy using MS Office and other apps that I have on DVD, rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then succumbing to the subscription model which appears to be being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushed out next. You may have noticed that DVD's have been "going out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> style", and aren't present on many prebuilt computers. "$23" just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens to be the price of the USB DVD drive that is on my Amazon wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To Bill: Why is it on your wish list? $23 isn't a lot of money (at
>>>>>>>>>>>> least not to most people). Why not just buy and install it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer.  It's just not needed for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a giant overstatement, as far as I'm concerned. I need mine to
>>>>>>>>>>>> read the many CDs and DVDs I still have, some of which are need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall a program, should it be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, I don't use mine often, but I never know when I might need
>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also granted that we're not all the same, and there are those (you
>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently, for example) who don't need it. But it's not true that
>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody needs one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When my new (Oct 2021) computer was built, I made sure it had a DVD
>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Likewise , I don't use it often but still have some utilities that I use
>>>>>>>>>>> and a a few old programs that I access so for $25.00 I will always have
>>>>>>>>>>> one installed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Similarly, I used to always have  3.5" and 5.25" diskette drives
>>>>>>>>>> installed on the theory that I still had a bunch of old diskettes and
>>>>>>>>>> I might need one some day. After several years went by without ever
>>>>>>>>>> using either one, I stopped having them, and all my recent computers
>>>>>>>>>> haven't had any.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The same will probably be true of DVD/CD drives one of these days, but
>>>>>>>>>> as far as I'm concerned, we're not there yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't had an optical drive installed since about 2008 but I still
>>>>>>>>> have one in a drawer, in case I ever need it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's just as good as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't needed it, so I
>>>>>>>>> guess as far as I'm concerned we got there over a dozen years ago. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're all different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I pulled out my floppy drives around 1998/1999 and I'm guessing some
>>>>>>>>> people kept theirs longer,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Much longer (ten or 15 years longer) for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why did you pull them out? I can understand not having one in a new
>>>>>>>> computer, but how does it hurt to leave it there, even if unused?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A floppy drive uses a drive bay that can be better used by a hard drive,
>>>>>>> so for me the decision was an easy one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, understood. I guess I never think about having as many HDs as you
>>>>>> do. My current computer has  a big case. It has one NVMe drive and two
>>>>>> HDs, and I think I have room for two more NVMEs, one SSD, and three
>>>>>> more HDs. It's highly unlikely that I will ever use any of that space.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm with you. I don't mind having the extra drives but I'd prefer for
>>>>> them to be external. I only really need one internal SSD.
>>>>
>>>> I have successfully avoided the need for external drives so far. With
>>>> any luck, that will hold. Internal works best for me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck finding a nice case with room for a DVD/CD Drive these days.
>>
>> You can put a few optical drives in this.
>>
>> https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147053
>>
>> I like the huge fan in the door. Maybe that
>> will be suitable for the next generation
>> of "600W" video cards. You know, the video cards
>> that cost as much as a motorcycle.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
> It has a 230mm front fan. I didn't know they made them that big.
> I am hoping that there will be a "video card glut!"--it could happen, maybe. Most people only use one card at a time...

The scalpers will eventually scale back and stop attacking everything.

There might still be scalping of cards known to be available
in limited quantity. If a 4090 were to come out this minute,
the scalpers would buy all of them. Even though not planning
on selling to coin miners particularly. They would sell them
to impatient gamers and make $1000 profit off each.

But for some of the sweet spot coin miner cards, you might
see the market for them soften. Some cards give decent hash
rates at lower powers, so would be prized for some kind of
coin mining.

I would expect there is still coin mining going on, but it
would be in coins nobody has ever heard of, and with no value,
it's not like the miner can reward themselves. Just as at
one time, a Bitcoin was worth $3 and the electricity to make it,
also happened to be $3 :-)

One item I haven't heard recently, is "Chia disk drive" based
coin mining. The pressure seems to be off hard drives now,
but the declining price means my local store has weird stocking
patterns. At my particular store, all I can be sure of is
getting a 1TB WD Black boot drive if I want one.

The nice thing about hard drives, is when Windows is scanning,
scanning, scanning, I don't have to worry about wear on writes.
They can knock themselves out with the scanning. When the
scanning stops, I'll put the NVMe back :-)

Paul