On 11/12/21 20:45, 166p1 wrote:
> On 11/11/21 11:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 11/11/21 17:22, 166p1 wrote:
>>> On 11/10/21 9:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/21 17:46, 166p1 wrote:
>>>>> On 11/10/21 12:38 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/9/21 21:21, 166p1 wrote:
>>>>>>> I chided CO.Linux a bit for having no posts for
>>>>>>> a long time - said things were better here. BUT ...
>>>>>>> maybe not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Maybe we are all finding answer via the search
>>>>>> engines or on Forums.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    They are good these days, BUT - you can't really
>>>>>    *explain* a problem to them and they can't walk
>>>>>    you through to an answer very well either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>      Yourself just concluded a long series of
>>>>>> definitely miscellaneous posts involving Linux
>>>>>> at least peripherally.
>>>>>> Who knew? and something about Lock Screens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos
>>>>>
>>>>>    Unfortunately, still a fairly common - and vexing -
>>>>>    problem. Lots of reasons it can happen, and again
>>>>>    it takes a certain amount of give and take to
>>>>>    hopefully find a solution beyond "wipe the install
>>>>>    and start over" (the MS favorite "solution" - great
>>>>>    if you've got nothing but built-in MS software in
>>>>>    there ...).
>>>>>
>>>>>    I had a similar annoying issue recently on an MX
>>>>>    with LXDE and XFCE in there - the screen brightness
>>>>>    would go very dark partway through boot and none
>>>>>    of the GUI controls would "stick". Finally had to
>>>>>    kind of brute-force it by re-writing an obscure
>>>>>    lowish-level config file every time during boot,
>>>>>    replacing the defective default being set
>>>>>    *somewhere*.
>>>>>
>>>>>    The underlying system is still fairly simple, but
>>>>>    the GUI stuff is huge now, convoluted, lots of
>>>>>    interactions.
>>>>
>>>>      Yes but without the GUI er, Desktop Environment people
>>>> such as myself would have to really work hard to learn to use
>>>> Linux. I am 84.25 yoa and not really capable of that effort
>>>> except on a piece-meal solve a particular problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>    I'm not going to take away your GUI ... indeed I've
>>>    been putting them on servers for a long time now
>>>    because they're so handy. Decent GUI tools can
>>>    accomplish in minutes what would take hours to do
>>>    in tweaking dozens of config files with a text
>>>    editor (or 'vi' if you're REALLY a retro masochist).
>>>
>>>    But, if I need to edit one or two files, I'm as
>>>    likely to use 'nano' on the commmand line as
>>>    'leafpad' or whatever in a GUI.
>>>
>>>    My point here is that GUIs are *complicated*
>>>    collections of software - I doubt there's ANY
>>>    ONE PERSON now that totally understands
>>>    something like KDE, or maybe even LXDE, much
>>>    less the 'X' or Wayland underneath. Too complex,
>>>    too many contantly-moving sub-apps. People become
>>>    specialists. Maybe they talk to each other,
>>>    maybe they don't.
>>>
>>>    I always put 'X' and LXDE on servers ... 'X' is
>>>    old and somebody knows how to fix it and LXDE
>>>    is the minimum "nice" GUI. Still hate LxQt ...
>>>    the supposed replacement ....
>>>
>>>>      My LUG is reduced to Monthly jit.si meeting.  Sunday
>>>> at our Meeting a chap from BC-LUG had a problem in which
>>>> he had done mis-configuring on the fly and ended up with a
>>>> non-working system. One of our nearby experts showed him
>>>> how to repair his system in about half the time he intended
>>>> to spend working on that.  We are in San Francisco by the
>>>> way and he was coming in from B.C, CA.  Another of our
>>>> experts called in from Massachusetts where he is with
>>>> family presently.  That time of year.
>>>>
>>>>      Personally being totally inexpert and barely
>>>> capable of copy and paste I turn our a monthly column
>>>> of more or less Linux news for the Champaign-Urbana
>>>> Computer Users Group, CUCUG. The man who asked me
>>>> to do this is a member of our sadly diminished
>>>> Team Amiga mailing list.
>>>>
>>>>         I am very good at asking for help as long as
>>>> I can keep the Latitude E7450 online.  It comes from
>>>> having an overly large vocabulary, i think.
>>>>
>>>>      Don't let the eroding base of the Usenet
>>>> Community (whatever I mean by that), get you down.
>>>> Look for posts in whatever interests you and either
>>>> learn or help others learn about the simplicity
>>>> underlying GNU/Linux/KDE/Gnome/etc. and the  workers
>>>> who turn out the updates for the sometimes complicated
>>>> Desktop Environments.
>>>>
>>>>      And on PCLinuxOS I am up to 5.14.17 and hoping
>>>> to see 5.2.x before I give up on typing.
>>
>>      At 5.15.1 now.
>
>
>   Avoid point.zero distros  :-)

In other words don't be an early adopter. Let
the young folk find out what is wrong with it.

>
>
>>>
>>>    As I said, "help pages" can be great - IF you have
>>>    a common sort of problem. If it's something WEIRD,
>>>    something requiring explainations in both directions,
>>>    then forums, including usenet, are the only good way.
>>>    You can get half a dozen specialists/semi-specialists
>>>    in on the issue.
>>>
>>>    As for PCLinuxOS ... it's a pretty good distro for
>>>    people who mostly used Winders.
>>
>>      Well I mostly used AmigaOS 1.3-3.9 while the A2000
>> continued to work.  I tried out XP on a laptop and swiched
>> to Mandriva Linux before I could be seriously damaged.
>>
>>      But KDE helps me make it look like the Amiga Workbench.
>
>
>   Bought an Amiga-1000 ... had to give 'em TWO checks
>   from different accounts to cover the price. DUMPED
>   the thing a few months later because of all the
>   damned "Guru Meditation" errors.

Well did you get the 256 KB expansion? No you are an
early adopter and doubtless could spare the expense. But
early adopters frequently have more problems than anyone
else.
I bought my Amiga 1000 after years of longing to
have one when the A2000 had come out and the A1000 were
being traded in. I paid $100 and got keyboard adapter
to use with a Amiga 2000 keyboard. I got a Sp9rit 1000
memory board and broke the 68000 chip(molded) and had
a lovely time finding the best Amiga hardware man who had
to hide the fact that he was repairing Amigas on the side
he managed to fix in and installed a Machined 68000 chip.
Later on I got a Zorro Exapansion box and got a GVP SCSI
card with space 8 Gigabytes of memory adn eventually filled
it up with ill-matched memory which I later replaced with
a matched set of simms. The first hard drive I bought
at a computer show was about 100 megabytes and was invisivle
to the SCSI. So i blew $346 on a New 100 Megabyte Drive.
And I was off to the races. But when I moved up to the
A2000 I had a lot more trouble.
And I spent a lot more on it over the years I
used it. It died as I was getting familiar with Linux.

>
>
>>      Now a great many Linux distribution start out looking
>> line XP which some Windows users remember fondly.  It only
>> makes a load of sense to have a familiar interface in
>> front of the new user.  Not nearly so scary as my multiple
>> menu--multiple task bar Amiga imitation.
>>
>>>
>>>    However, if you're doing banking-type stuff, you
>>>    are far safer using Linux than Winders. Winders
>>>    is just TOO easy to break into, and its huge
>>>    market share (and spite against MS) make it
>>>    the biggest target for hackers by a wide margin.
>>>
>>>    I just loved the MS fix for security issues - it
>>>    was called Vista. It was basically a poost Win-7
>>>    beta system, but the big security improvement was
>>>    to MAKE IT YOUR FAULT when you got hacked. It was
>>>    unusable UNLESS you turned off almost all the security
>>>    stuff.
>>
>>      Windows 11 even forces you to use Edge.
>> <https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/12/huawei_euler_os_foss/?td=keepreading-btm>
>
>
>
>   "Forces" ? Can't install Chrome or FFox ??? Somehow
>   I doubt that. There would be lawsuits - anti-trust
>   actions.
>
>   Now IE ... that's WAY out of date and you shouldn't
>   use it under any circumstances - indeed you shouldn't
>   have used it under any circumstances even when it
>   was current ....
>
>
>>      I had that(Vista) on one of the few new machines I bought
>> in the last 17 years. It had none of the endearingly naive
>> qualities of XP.  I should have erased it but I wanted to
>> learn about GPT and UEFI. At one point I had about 6 different
>> but not that much Linux distributions installed on a 6420,
>
>
>   I preferred Win-2K actually. Still have it on a VM.
>   XP was too "busy" for my likes  :-)
>
>
>   The more 'eye candy' the less I like it.
I do not consider the Desktop Environment to be eye
candy but it can be arranged that way if users like that stuff
we have 2 new sets of icons called if memory does not fail
me Neon and Candy.
But I see the DE as the interface to my programs.
the hard thing to do is to find a set of icons that is
complete and covers all the stuff I use fairly often.
I have learned to start lots of programs that I seldom
use from terminal/
>
>
>>>
>>>    Even SE-Linux is more civil than Vista (though not
>>>    by all THAT much  :-)
>>
>>       I settle for Linux with built-in firewall.
>
>   Good choice. Works fine for anything but a net-facing
>   router or web server.
>
>>   It
>> seems to work.  I mean I get about 5 phishing calls per day on
>> my landline.  If they could hack in they would not waste time
>> on calling.
>
>   Every so often I get fake "MS Tech" calls - saying
>   my Winders has a horrible flaw they need to fix.
>   I like to go along with them for a little while ...
>   keep 'em tied up ....
>
>   Because I *have no* Winders box  :-)
>
>   "Uh ... tell me ... where DO you find this product
>   number thing you're talking about ... "
>
>
>>   bliss - “Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.”
>>      After all here I am...
Well I get MS(ha, ha) calls as well, Regular calls to tell me my
Apple Cloud account has been breached.
Latest favorite is calling for approval of around a grand on
an Iphone or IPad from Amason. I have never been able to afford
an Apple though I could now but will not. I used to do IT stuff
for an author. The old Dell quite and I was setting up another for
him when he called to save me any effort as Friends had gotten
him a Mac. Since he got the Mac his production has fallen toward
Zero.

Coming up on 22:00 here so good luck until we
type again. Time for me to hit the new mattress.

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