On 5/23/22 9:52 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/23/2022 8:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/23/22 9:32 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/23/2022 8:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 5/23/22 9:01 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 5/23/2022 7:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/23/22 7:50 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/23/2022 6:33 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/23/22 3:05 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/2022 1:52 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> A simple multiple choice question for Olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All things being equal which is more likely:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (a) Olcott is correct and everybody else is incorrect
>>>>>>>>>> (b) Olcott is incorrect and everybody else is correct
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /Flibble
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Believability has the word [lie] embedded directly within itself.
>>>>>>>>> Instead of the fake measure of credibility one must employ
>>>>>>>>> actual validation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actual validation conclusively proves that H(P,P)==0
>>>>>>>>> is correct. This means that everyone that disagrees is either
>>>>>>>>> insufficiently technically competent or a liar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You consider that H(P,P) == 0 is correct when P(P) halts, when
>>>>>>>> that is the DEFINITION of what H(P,P) is supposed to be answering?
>>>>>>> The C function H correctly determines that there are no number of
>>>>>>> steps (0 to infinity) of its correct simulation of its input: a
>>>>>>> pair of pointers to finite strings of x86 machine language that
>>>>>>> would ever reach the last instruction of this input.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have show a CORRECT simulation of the input to H(P,P) that shows
>>>>>> it reaching the final state, as have YOU.
>>>>> That is a despicable lie and you know it.
>>>>> You are an atheist right?
>>>>
>>>> What is wrong with it. What do YOU define a "Correct Simulation" to
>>>> be, other than that which simualtes to program that it is simulating?
>>>
>>> It is a God damned lie and you know it.
>>> That is the only thing that is wrong with it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Note, PROGRAM)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No concern what-so-ever with the eternal incineration of
>>>>> Revelations 21:8 for lying because you simply don't believe that
>>>>> mumbo jumbo, right?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YOU are the one that needs to worry about it. I am following the
>>>> definitions of what things are.
>>>
>>>
>>> You know that you are not following the definition of the x86
>>> langugae. Why lie does that give you A thrill?
>>
>> No, YOU violate it by making a call instruction not be traced to the
>> location it is called.
>>
>> What error have I made about the x86 language, be specific YOU will be
>> guilty of lying.
>>
> >>>>> I have show a CORRECT simulation of the input to H(P,P) that shows
> >>>>> it reaching the final state, as have YOU.
>
>

What do you define as a CORRECT simulation?

What was wrong with what I said as a Correct Simulation (or what you
published)

YOU DID publish such a trace (see below)

On 4/27/21 12:55 AM, olcott wrote:
Message-ID: <Teudndbu59GVBBr9nZ2dnUU7-V2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
> void H_Hat(u32 P)
> {
> u32 Input_Halts = Halts(P, P);
> if (Input_Halts)
> HERE: goto HERE;
> }
>
>
> int main()
> {
> H_Hat((u32)H_Hat);
> }
>
>
> _H_Hat()
> [00000b98](01) 55 push ebp
> [00000b99](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
>
[00000b9b](01) 51 push ecx
> [00000b9c](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
> [00000b9f](01) 50 push eax
> [00000ba0](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
> [00000ba3](01) 51 push ecx
> [00000ba4](05) e88ffdffff call 00000938
> [00000ba9](03) 83c408 add esp,+08
> [00000bac](03) 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax
> [00000baf](04) 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
> [00000bb3](02) 7402 jz 00000bb7
> [00000bb5](02) ebfe jmp 00000bb5
> [00000bb7](02) 8be5 mov esp,ebp
> [00000bb9](01) 5d pop ebp
> [00000bba](01) c3 ret
> Size in bytes:(0035) [00000bba]
>
> _main()
> [00000bc8](01) 55 push ebp
> [00000bc9](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
> [00000bcb](05) 68980b0000 push 00000b98
> [00000bd0](05) e8c3ffffff call 00000b98
> [00000bd5](03) 83c404 add esp,+04
> [00000bd8](02) 33c0 xor eax,eax
> [00000bda](01) 5d pop ebp
> [00000bdb](01) c3 ret
> Size in bytes:(0020) [00000bdb]
>
> ===============================
> ...[00000bc8][001015d4][00000000](01) 55 push ebp
> ...[00000bc9][001015d4][00000000](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
> ...[00000bcb][001015d0][00000b98](05) 68980b0000 push 00000b98
> ...[00000bd0][001015cc][00000bd5](05) e8c3ffffff call 00000b98
> ...[00000b98][001015c8][001015d4](01) 55 push ebp
> ...[00000b99][001015c8][001015d4](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
> ...[00000b9b][001015c4][00000000](01) 51 push ecx
> ...[00000b9c][001015c4][00000000](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
> ...[00000b9f][001015c0][00000b98](01) 50 push eax
> ...[00000ba0][001015c0][00000b98](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
> ...[00000ba3][001015bc][00000b98](01) 51 push ecx
> ...[00000ba4][001015b8][00000ba9](05) e88ffdffff call 00000938
> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation at Machine Address:b98
> ...[00000b98][00211674][00211678](01) 55 push ebp
> ...[00000b99][00211674][00211678](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
> ...[00000b9b][00211670][00201644](01) 51 push ecx
> ...[00000b9c][00211670][00201644](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
> ...[00000b9f][0021166c][00000b98](01) 50 push eax
> ...[00000ba0][0021166c][00000b98](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
> ...[00000ba3][00211668][00000b98](01) 51 push ecx
> ...[00000ba4][00211664][00000ba9](05) e88ffdffff call 00000938
> ...[00000b98][0025c09c][0025c0a0](01) 55 push ebp
> ...[00000b99][0025c09c][0025c0a0](02) 8bec mov ebp,esp
> ...[00000b9b][0025c098][0024c06c](01) 51 push ecx
> ...[00000b9c][0025c098][0024c06c](03) 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08]
> ...[00000b9f][0025c094][00000b98](01) 50 push eax
> ...[00000ba0][0025c094][00000b98](03) 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08]
> ...[00000ba3][0025c090][00000b98](01) 51 push ecx
> ...[00000ba4][0025c08c][00000ba9](05) e88ffdffff call 00000938
> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped

Above decision was from the call the Halts inside H_Hat, deciding that
H_Hat(H_Hat) seems to be non-halting, it then returns that answer and is
processed below:

> ...[00000ba9][001015c4][00000000](03) 83c408 add esp,+08
> ...[00000bac][001015c4][00000000](03) 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax
> ...[00000baf][001015c4][00000000](04) 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
> ...[00000bb3][001015c4][00000000](02) 7402 jz 00000bb7
> ...[00000bb7][001015c8][001015d4](02) 8be5 mov esp,ebp
> ...[00000bb9][001015cc][00000bd5](01) 5d pop ebp
> ...[00000bba][001015d0][00000b98](01) c3 ret
> ...[00000bd5][001015d4][00000000](03) 83c404 add esp,+04
> ...[00000bd8][001015d4][00000000](02) 33c0 xor eax,eax
> ...[00000bda][001015d8][00100000](01) 5d pop ebp
> ...[00000bdb][001015dc][00000098](01) c3 ret

SEE IT HALTED!

> Number_of_User_Instructions(39)
> Number of Instructions Executed(26567)