I'm not sure whether that's actually useful... -- Larry Wall in &lt;199710011704.KAA21395@wall.org&gt;

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: D Finnigan

You need to expand your thinking. The problem is when the gambling addict has dependents, and these dependents are adversely affected. In this scenario, gambling and its effects on them isn't their choice.

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 2 Days ago by: Computer Nerd Kev

Well that's a good point because I'm Australian and I have about the same lack of apathy towards the 'issue' of gambling machines as I do to how social media websites work. In both cases I figure everyone has the choice whether they use t

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Spiros Bousbouras

Much like a lot of research has gone into making various form of advertising as effective as possible. It is not considered generally a harmful thing. If people get addicted to gambling , there can be regulations. I believe in some U.S.

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Spiros Bousbouras

Perhaps we are close , perhaps not. ChatGPT doesn't seem to do well on technical matters as , among other things , the threads in [1] show. Related to this is the following [2] : { Keynotes ~~~~~~~~ Artificial Intelligence: a Problem of

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 17 Hours ago by: Mike Spencer

In the final scene in Gibson's Zero History, the socially inept wizard hacker has cracked the problem and... (No spoiler if you haven't read it. :-) Saw a report recently that Australia has 0.33% of world population but 20% (!) of th

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Computer Nerd Kev

I think replacing customer service people answering support emails and phone calls might be one of their prime targets. Certainly no great amount of intelligence required to approximate the sorts of unconvincingly human-like exchanges tha

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Mike Spencer

"Classical" AI such as Cyc since circa 1960, neural nets since the publication of the Parallel Distributed Processing books in 1986. The latter has already made stupendous leaps in pattern recognition. But these recently publicized "ch

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mike Spencer

Ha! So, like ads on the net? You: Query: Treatment for labyrinthitis Net: Shop for labyrinthitis, click here -> x Thing is, you don't ask your GPS questions the answers to which have much room for ads or ideological sloga

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Spiros Bousbouras

I'm not sure exactly how to interpret the tense in "are inventing" but I'll point out that AI has been around for decades. It has had some great successes in the last few years. To what extent the algorithms and research which led to thes

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Scott Dorsey

I imagine a GPS system in your car that says "Turn left at the next stop..." "Turn right immediately..." "Prepare for lefthand turn." "Reduce tariff." "Turn left on Main street." "Reduce tariff on Chinese electronic products..." --

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Mike Spencer

The matter of whether or not an AI entity might eschew a "capitalist" viewpoint, whatever the favored notion of "capitalism", isn't really a political matter unless one chooses to make it so. It's a tech industry matter that fits fine w

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Computer Nerd Kev

I propose that this question was sent on the wrong internet protocol entirely. Here's what I received when I asked it over DICT: 3 definitions retrieved: From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48: capitalism \cap

Vagina Lobby Gimps AI GFs to Maintain Monopoly on Regulation of Male

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Mike Spencer

For a complex matter such as capitalism, , you shouldn't ask to have the term *defined* but to have what we usually mean by the term characterized. In its explain-it-to-children basics, it's the methodology by which, when whatever you

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Here is the News

https://dailystormer.in/vagina-lobby-gimps-ai-gfs-to-maintain-monopoly-on-regulation-of-male-sexuality/ Vagina Lobby Gimps AI GFs to Maintain Monopoly on Regulation of Male Sexuality Elvis Dunderhoff March 21, 2023 When the ChatGPT unce

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Oregonian Haruspex

Good point and don’t worry. Nobody will ever define capitalism so there’s zero risk to the group.

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Anton Shepelev

Hmmm. I can discern *any* post from a human being. Posts and humans are so different!

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Spiros Bousbouras

I for one would not want this group to turn into political discussion (unless there is a strong connection with computers). So perhaps if someone wants to discuss what any *ism means , they can reply on a political newsgroup , just post

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Oregonian Haruspex

Can you define capitalism for me? I find that people who talk about it never seem to be able to.

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 7 Days 16 Hours ago by: Julio Di Egidio

Another name for our free falling totalitarian insanity. Indeed here we finally have our Turing test... for humans. Julio

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 11 Hours ago by: Spiros Bousbouras

Or communist or anarchist. Libertarian should be ok as long as it's not objectivist :-D

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 15 Hours ago by: Andy Burns

Seems to work while they're in stealth mode and can curate the training material behind closed doors. Then they have to stop them from learning once they go public, to prevent them getting poisoned, therefore don't believe answers th

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 17 Hours ago by: Mike Spencer

So, also not capitalist?

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 18 Hours ago by: Oregonian Haruspex

Responsible AI is a real thing, in fact it is mandated by Blackrock and the other big investment firms, banks, and big tech companies. The idea is to stop AI from becoming racist, sexist, or anything-ist.

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 11 Days ago by: Sylvia Else

Well, no, but media reports here in Australia seem to like using the word for a lot of things. Sylvia.

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mike

Not "everything" has. But as more and more of everything you do or encounter is structured -- is "framed" in George Lakoff's terms -- by corporate entities, subverting the intended ends of something to your own ends is a hack in the ha

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 12 Days ago by: Sylvia Else

When did everything become a "hack"? Sylvia.

Re: Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans! (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 1 Hour ago by: Scott Dorsey

Oh, its very easy. Computers say things like "We are computers! If you cut us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die?" When addressed the same way, people say things like "bus error: core dumped." So I do not see a serious

Life hack to discern AI posts from genuine humans!

Posted: 12 Days 10 Hours ago by: Spiros Bousbouras

Do you mean "responsive" instead of "responsible" ? Or is this a pun of sorts ? Whether you're wasting your time depends on what you are trying to get out of a discussion. What I aim to get out of a discussion is arguments and facts rel

Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Oregonian Haruspex

disambiguating ARM variants

Posted: 13 Days 22 Hours ago by: Retrograde

Feed: OSnews Title: Disambiguating Arm, Arm ARM, Armv9, ARM9, ARM64, Aarch64, A64, A78, etc. Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 20:16:02 -0500 Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/135912/disambiguating-arm-arm-arm-armv9-arm9-arm64-

Re: openSUSE x86-64 solution (thread)

Re: Debian 12 brings new version of apt (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Computer Nerd Kev

Besides OpenSUSE's relatively unusual desire to use the latest x86_64 CPU features that they can get away with, this Glibc feature sounds more generally useful on ARM. Where for example the Raspberry Pi OS already invented their own build

Posted: 17 Days 16 Hours ago by: Marco Moock

In which way the behavior of apt exactly changes? I heard that a new tree non-free-firmware that is enabled by default and includes all the non-free firmware, the other non-free stuff stays in non-free. This isn't a change to apt - only

Visio goes subscription-only

Posted: 17 Days 21 Hours ago by: Retrograde

Feed: The Register Title: Microsoft to snatch Visio app away from iOS users this summer Author: Jeff Burt Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2023 08:30:14 -0500 Link: https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2023/03/08/microsoft_visio_ios/ If y

openSUSE x86-64 solution

Posted: 17 Days 21 Hours ago by: Retrograde

Feed: The Register Title: openSUSE finds an elegant solution to x86-64 version support Author: Liam Proven Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 10:32:11 -0500 Link: https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2023/03/09/opensuse_finds_x86_64_sol

Debian 12 brings new version of apt

Re: Apple iphone 15 series and USB-C cables (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 21 Hours ago by: Retrograde

Feed: The Register Title: A new version of APT is coming to Debian 12 Author: Liam Proven Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2023 14:30:10 -0500 Link: https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2023/03/08/debian_12_apt_2_6/ Like 'Bookworm' itself

Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sylvia Else

I think this is more along the lines of "If your non-certified hardware doesn't work, don't expect us to fix it the iPhone so that it does." If Apple were caught deliberately blocking or degrading the performance of non certified hardw

Apple iphone 15 series and USB-C cables

Posted: 22 Days 8 Hours ago by: David

Quick note on standard ports: A standard port is normally a known fixed port a process can call into to start a session. A listener is always watching that port. As far as I recall there is then a negotiation between caller and receive

Posted: 22 Days 10 Hours ago by: Retrograde

Feed: OSnews Title: iPhone 15 USB-C cables without MFi badge may have data transfer and charging speed limits Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 16:10:44 -0500 Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/135885/iphone-15-usb-c-cables-with

Posted: 23 Days 11 Hours ago by: Bruce Horrocks

Agreed that is a good next step. And the chosen answer in this thread might help with that. <https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/ie/en-US/34593d87-8a3f-4cd0-868b-82a407b19428/remote-desktop-was-working-but-quit?forum=winRDc> If

ChatGPT poem about OpenBSD

Posted: 24 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ben Collver

PNMH: write a poem about OpenBSD ChatGPT: In a world of code and bytes, Where hackers lurk in endless nights, There shines a system, strong and bright, A fortress of security, with OpenBSD in sight. Like a lighthouse on a stormy shore,

Posted: 24 Days 6 Hours ago by: scott

Is the Win7 box fully patched? If it isn't, there may be some protocol disagreements between it and newer hosts, if I remember properly. I have a couple of Win7 VMs on a Win11 host that I can RDP into without issue. The VMs have all th

Posted: 24 Days 12 Hours ago by: Sylvia Else

Sounds as if it's started as required under Windows 10 by whatever is listening on the RDP port. The same could be true under Win7. Does that executable exist on Win7? Have you looked at the Win7 event log? That occasionally contains u

Posted: 24 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Purgert

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 2023-03-03, SH wrote: I haven't read all of the back and forth so this was probably already covered... Last time I used 7 and 10, there were security changes that necessitated enabling

Posted: 24 Days 12 Hours ago by: Theo

To me, this is a bit like the 'spaces in filenames' issue. Yes, it's allowed to have spaces in filenames. Oftentimes they're a good idea (eg names of documents). But they're a PITA for command line users. So it's polite not to use the

Posted: 24 Days 13 Hours ago by: SH

Thank you for your comments, but it doesn't reallyu solve my issue of being unable to RDP into the win7 box from any other PC......

Posted: 24 Days 13 Hours ago by: Jeff Gaines

If you really feel the need to use a PGP signature on a Usenet post can you at lease use a proper signature separator with the PGP sig AFTER it so it gets snipped automatically?

Posted: 24 Days 13 Hours ago by: Dan Purgert

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.] On 2023-03-03, SH wrote: mstsc is "Microsoft Terminal Service Client" (i.e. the remote desktop client software). In addition, nearly all client ap

Posted: 24 Days 14 Hours ago by: SH

and mstsc.exe only starts up when launching a RDP session FROM the Win7 box.... As soon as I close the RDP connection, mstsc.exe closes dwon so that implies I still would not be able to RDP into the win7 box unless that mstsc.exe is

Posted: 24 Days 14 Hours ago by: SH

P.S. on a hunch, I rdp'ed into a win10 box from the Win7 box and did a netstat -anb as I knew the IP address and port no of teh win10 box... The result is TCP 192.168.0.110:49213 192.168.0.233:3389 ESTABLISHED mstsc.exe so i

Posted: 24 Days 14 Hours ago by: SH

Well I used Netstat -anb on PC's A, B and C and looking for the port 3389 which is used by RDP. RDP is provided by the process TermService hence why I added the b option as that will show the process name. I then copied the results

Posted: 24 Days 16 Hours ago by: Richard Kettlewell

Agreed. It’s not Mutt causing “unnecessary problems”, it’s the spec in RFC2822. I wouldn’t disagree that the syntax it permits for message IDs is much broader than it needs to be, but for as long as that is the syntax, consumers

Posted: 24 Days 23 Hours ago by: Sylvia Else

The OP said that the port was being listened on, so I assumed he'd already done that, or something equivalent. Sylvia.

Posted: 25 Days 3 Hours ago by: Rich

Agreed (at least given the info in the GP article). In fact, it also sounds like a possible 'lack of proper escaping' problem that just might open up an exploit somehow were someone looking to investigate the security implications.

Posted: 25 Days 4 Hours ago by: Grant Taylor

IMHO Mutt doesn't need to be fixed. The use of the forward slash character in a Message-ID: is explicitly allowed in RFC 2822. § 3.6.4. Identification fields .... message-id = "Message-ID:" msg-id CRLF .... msg-id

fix your mutt

Posted: 25 Days 7 Hours ago by: Ben Collver

# Fix your mutt March 1, 2023 At some point in the recent past, mutt changed the way it generates Message-ID header values. Instead of the perfectly good old way of doing it, the developers switched to using base64-encoded random bytes.

Posted: 25 Days 7 Hours ago by: fos

before using ssh or telnt to connect to the RDP port, use the netstat command from a command prompt to determine if RDP is actually listening on the port. netstat /? -- SDF Public Access UNIX System - htt

Posted: 25 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Cross

That's odd. What you are suggesting seems to be directly contradicted by wikipedia, the Linux kernel docs, and the System V ABI document and it's supplements. Context matters here. In the context of Linux, lack of stable driver interfa

Posted: 25 Days 9 Hours ago by: Richard Kettlewell

I’m not asking for anything, I’m just saying what I think an ABI means. Based on e.g. Wikipedia and the Linux kernel docs, I don’t think I’m alone.

Posted: 25 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Cross

Yeah, that's pretty much what an "ABI" is. What you are suggesting amounts to saying that programmers cannot change the order of arguments to a function without violating an ABI; taken to its logical conclusion, any notion of an interfac

Posted: 25 Days 10 Hours ago by: Raj Kundra

I will always start by updating Drivers for NIC, then disable AV and try.

Posted: 25 Days 15 Hours ago by: Richard Kettlewell

You seem to be using ABI to mean little more than calling conventions and object file formats, which is a very narrow usage of the term, and certainly not a universal one. A long-standing example which goes beyond that would be IBCS, whi

Posted: 25 Days 16 Hours ago by: Adrian Caspersz

Sorry, been waylaid on other issues. The following might be of assistance, but I'd have a look first with an SSH check as suggested by Sylvia. https://ponderthebits.com/2018/02/windows-rdp-related-event-logs-identification-tracking-and

Posted: 25 Days 23 Hours ago by: Sylvia Else

You could try ssh to the RDP port. Clearly, that's not actually going to work, but you should get some indication of whether it's at least managing to connect to the port, which in turn would indicate whether it's a networking problem,

Posted: 26 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Cross

What, exactly, is your definition of "the ABI"? You seem to be conflating an "ABI" with the general notion of a programming interface. I agree that Linux does not keep the latter stable within the kernel, but that is not the same as th

Posted: 26 Days 3 Hours ago by: Dan Espen

Yeah, no. You can, of course, do some things on a 3270, but you're better off using a terminal of some type. You can also get X-windows going on the mainframe and use MVS that way.

Posted: 26 Days 4 Hours ago by: Scott Dorsey

I can't even imagine that. Using vi on a 3270 is farther than my mind can stretch. I did try NOS VE/VX on the CDC Cyber machines.... very interesting having to type *EOI instead of ctrl-D. And amazing using vi on a system where the ho

Posted: 26 Days 5 Hours ago by: SH

UPDATE Still cannot RDP into the Win7 Ultimate box from ANY other computer so the issue lies with the Win7 box. All computers can all see the two NASes including the errant Win7 box. Network browser shows the presence of the Win7

Posted: 26 Days 7 Hours ago by: Ian McCall

The only reason you’d need to recompile drivers as opposed to install binaries is because of the ABI. It’s possible you might -choose- to, but the only reason you’d need to is ABI. This is trivially provable by the fact that eve

Posted: 26 Days 8 Hours ago by: Bob Eager

Sorry, I was referring to FreeBSD!

Posted: 26 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Cross

Do you, though? Oh, say, x86, Linux uses the SysV ABI. People need to recompile their drivers because the internals change all the time, not because the calling convention and structure layouts change. - Dan C.

Posted: 26 Days 11 Hours ago by: Ian McCall

Thanks. Hard to find exactly when it got one, but this article seems to suggest it was around 2016: <https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Kernel-Stable-API-ABI>

Posted: 26 Days 14 Hours ago by: Bob Eager

For quite a while, that only has to be done with a new major version.

Posted: 26 Days 15 Hours ago by: Ian McCall

Definitely meant ABI. It’s the binary bit that’s key - it’s why people had to recompile drivers all the time which didn’t happen with other OSs. Cheers, Ian

Posted: 27 Days 5 Hours ago by: SH

Already disabled NLA on teh WIn 7 Ultimate box and on the Win 10 Pro box. Where do I find the log files for RDP connection attempts? S.

Posted: 27 Days 7 Hours ago by: Dan Cross

I think you mean stable internal interfaces, not ABI. One of the Linux invariants is, "never break userspace!" which implies a stable system call interface. Of course, they change the format of files under /sys and stuff, but hey. - Da

Posted: 27 Days 10 Hours ago by: Ian McCall

Interesting - thanks for that. Cheers, Ian

Posted: 27 Days 10 Hours ago by: Geoff Clare

Windows NT and MVS were certified POSIX compliant in the mid 1990's. At that time POSIX.1 and SUS were indeed different specs, and POSIX.2 was separate from POSIX.1. All three were merged in 2001 to form POSIX.1-2001/SUSv3, which was be

Posted: 27 Days 13 Hours ago by: Adrian Caspersz

So the RDP server on PC B (Win 7 ultimate) is refusing connections. Try disabling NLA on it. The content shown of various dialogs is important. Also have a look at the application logs

Posted: 27 Days 15 Hours ago by: Jeff Gaines

I have not used Win 7 Ultimate, does it definitely have an RDP server? My knowledge is limited to Pro having a RDP server but Home only having a client. Can you see shared directories on the \win 7 machine from the other machines in

Posted: 27 Days 16 Hours ago by: Ian McCall

Couldn’t agree more. Do they have a stable ABI yet? When I was coding it, they didn’t and touted that as an -advantage-. It wasn’t of course, dreadful idea and the reason drivers kept needed recompiling all the time. Reminded me

Posted: 27 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Espen

MVS has a unix subsystem. I found it a reasonable unix.

Posted: 27 Days 21 Hours ago by: Scott Dorsey

This is a good thing. I WANT it to be hard to add features to the kernel. I am tired of people adding features to the kernel. Please stop adding features. I would in fact claim that the BSD kernel is comparatively less feature-ridden

Posted: 27 Days 21 Hours ago by: Scott Dorsey

If it does everything v7 does the way v7 does it, it's effectively Unix. --scott

Posted: 1 Month ago by: Ian McCall

Windows NT was POSIX compliant. MVS was POSIX. And neither were Unix. They’re different specs. Cheers, Ian

Remote desktop Protocol issue.

Posted: 1 Month ago by: SH

right I have three PCs. PC A is Windows & Ultimate SP1 PC B is Windows 10 Pro Now I can RDP from the Win 7 Ultimate to the Win 10 pro no problem. I cannot RDP from Win 10 pro to the Win 7 Ultimate Both machines have Remote assiatant AN

Re: Harvard sentences (thread)

Posted: 1 Month ago by: Mike Spencer

Interesting. Never heard of that. Intriguing. Hmmm... Having lived in western Massachusetts where "General American" pronunciation prevailed, I'd surmise that if they're *Harvard* sentences, (would that be "Hahv'd"?), that would be "

Harvard sentences

Posted: 1 Month ago by: Ben Collver

Harvard sentences ================ Pardon the ASCII art: +-+ | | | | | | | | +-+ | | +-+-+-----------+ | | | | | ############# | | ############# | | | +---------------+ One day when

Posted: 1 Month ago by: Geoff Clare

That article paints a completely different picture than your characterisation of what happened as "Open Group realised more people cared about Apple than them". It basically says that Apple had two choices to get out of the lawsuit: 1.

Posted: 1 Month ago by: Geoff Clare

[...] You are right about the other things, but not POSIX. To achieve UNIX certification (and thus be able to use the trademark) requires passing tens of thousands of tests which check that the system behaves as per the requirements of P

Posted: 1 Month ago by: Ben Collver

You're right, i meant New Hampshire :-}

Posted: 1 Month 1 Day ago by: Ian McCall

Relevant to, to anyone that’s coded in the Linux kernel before: "If I were asked to do the same thing for Linux, it likely would take five years, and two dozen people. Linux is pretty balkanize, has a lot of kingdom building, and yo

Posted: 1 Month 1 Day ago by: Ian McCall

It was a little bit both when it comes to the certification. Apple wasn’t certified to be Unix but kept saying it was whereas Open Group realised more people cared about Apple than them. Interesting info from the horse’s mouth, so

Posted: 1 Month 1 Day ago by: Mike Spencer

You're thinking of New Hampshire where people truly dedicated to the slogan go to jail for refusing to allow the gummint to force them to exhibit a political slogan, even one they believe in, on their cars. I thought New Jersey's was

Posted: 1 Month 1 Day ago by: Ben Collver

I like that phrase "checklist Unix." When i think of Unix, i think of the New Jersey license plate: "UNIX: live free or die"