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Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Theo

It is not 'only', that is just a convenient way of doing things for a lot of people. The spec allows for other means, for example hardware tokens or other kinds of 2FA. The point of this spec is to simplify the dance where your bank sen

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Stuart

O FFS.

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

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Posted: 8 Days 14 Hours ago by: Harriet Bazley

Apparently the next planned step is to require biometric identification (which so far as I can see means that such sites can only be accessed via a smartphone with built-in fingerprint sensing/face recognition technology): https://www.the

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 11 Days 1 Hour ago by: Matthew Phillips

Many people pick passwords that are much easier to guess than a set of random characters provided by a computer. (But Theo's answer is more to the point, I think.)

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: Harriet Bazley

Ah - that makes sense. From my point of view the GMail service is just a backup address for Web purposes (and not as anonymous as it was, since accessing it via Messenger and POP3 rather than Netsurf now inserts bazleyfamily.co.uk into

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

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Posted: 11 Days 8 Hours ago by: Theo

It's because this 'app password' is *only* for your email. It doesn't give access to all the myraid other Google services available through your Google account. If somebody stole this password they can only access your email, whereas st

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 11 Days 15 Hours ago by: Chris Newman

Glad you got it sorted. It's certainly a bit of a faff. I couldn't figure how it was any more secure either but it's exactly what Yahoo did some months ago. Bit of a pointess exercise, I thought.

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 11 Days 21 Hours ago by: Harriet Bazley

[snip] Tried this - I couldn't log into the 'Standard' Gmail page using Iris (it just seemed to hang up indefinitely while displaying 'Google Workspace'), but I managed to get access to the 'Simple HTML' page and turn on 2-step authenti

Re: Protocol index out of range? (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 12 Days 17 Hours ago by: druck

Your Ubuntu box will have to be set to use the ancient version 1 of SMB to work (-o vers=1). Alternatively setup NFSd and use !Sunfish on RISC OS. ---druck

Re: Protocol index out of range? (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Martin

Just a couple of ideas ... - does the Ubuntu machine accept SMB1/CIFS protocol? - have you tried stopping Raw reads? - see !LanMan98.!Run

Protocol index out of range?

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Paul Oates

Ladies and Gentlemen I am trying to share files between a computer running Ubuntu 22.04 and an ARMX6 running RISC OS 5.29. I have LanMan98 v2.08 in standalone mode. I can ping both the router and the other machine from either. When I t

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

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Posted: 16 Days 13 Hours ago by: Chris Newman

Seemingly, its not as bad as I thought. You won't need to confirm every time. Thanks to an article in Computer Active magazine, I've sorted the first of my Google accounts. I've tried to make an idiot's guide. Herewith.... 2 factor

Re: Risc OS Developments announces the release of a modern TCP/IP Stack (updated link)

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Posted: 16 Days 22 Hours ago by: Alexander Ausserstor

Ah, thanks. I thought it is like a Windows update: It may work or it may not work and is for nothing (no improvements - the desktop is ugly like before). Is it possible to support such developments? It's the case. Thanks again, A.

Re: Risc OS Developments announces the release of a modern TCP/IP Stack (updated link)

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Posted: 17 Days 18 Hours ago by: Martin

I think that is what they were aiming for! It is providing the base for future developments (eg WiFi) If *Help Internet shows v7.00 then the new stack is running.

Re: Risc OS Developments announces the release of a modern TCP/IP Stack (updated link)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 17 Days 19 Hours ago by: Alexander Ausserstor

[Huge part snipped] After install and restart, the computer here works without any problems. However, I don't see any differents to my system before. How can I check or see that the new TCP/IP is working sucessfully? Thanks in advance

Re: Plusnet and triplicate emails (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 19 Days 2 Hours ago by: Chris Evans (CJE/4D)

PlusNet eventually came up with a work around (full reply below) of enabling spam filtering on their server which means a different server is used. Even on minimum setting the new server was marking some ebay, paypal & sainsburys emails a

Re: Plusnet and triplicate emails (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 15 Hours ago by: Richard Porter

I tried using Messenger Pro on my iMac and still got the triplicate messages. I would expect this to use a completely different comms stack. I then sent similar messages to my iPhone and got single messages. The ARMX6, iMac and iPhon

Re: Plusnet and triplicate emails (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 16 Hours ago by: Richard Porter

It seems that the mail client is doing what it should do. If it gets three messages it shows three messages and stores three messages. There may be some setting at the transport layer (i.e. Hermes/POPstar) that needs tweaking. But in

Re: Plusnet and triplicate emails (thread)

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Posted: 20 Days 16 Hours ago by: Richard Porter

In my case I do not have any mailboxes on my hosted domains except for a test one set up for testing - only forwarders and mailing lists. Everything for me gets sent to the corresponding PlusNet account. I've had blacklisting problem

Re: Plusnet and triplicate emails (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 20 Days 16 Hours ago by: Richard Porter

Yes. XenCentric: No, I use eUKhost; PlusNet: Yes. I'm getting triplicate messages (two together and one some time later) for all messages sent from or via my domains hosted by eUKhost, plus messages from eUKhost support etc. The

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 21 Days 16 Hours ago by: Mik Towse

Okay, thanks for clarifying this. :D

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 21 Days 18 Hours ago by: Dave

It is the case with VRPC variants, straight through to Windows. However, in my post (You've quoted above) it is "RPCEmu" which is quite a different beast, and with a completely different networking arrangement. Dave

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days 19 Hours ago by: Mik Towse

Very wise, they are good value these days and gives you so much more flexibility with ISPs. R-Comp keep Hermes pretty much up to date on standards and handles multiple domains very well. We certainly have no issues with it on ours.

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Chris Newman

That intensley annoying behaviour is what happens now. The new regime is another layer of obfuscation on top for those using older email clients.

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

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Posted: 21 Days 22 Hours ago by: Chris Newman

That's why I'm now getting my own domain. Hopefully two fingers to Google in the future.

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 2 Hours ago by: Chris Hughes

That is my understanding too, as VRPC just passes Internet stuff over to the Windows Networking.

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 3 Hours ago by: Paul Oates

Delighted to say that with help from Martin I have DHCP up and running and the new stack installed. regards

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 4 Hours ago by: Martin

That is the cause of the Unknown SWI - it is in the Internet module. If using *RMReInit Internet does not bring the 5.65 module back to life, I suggest you follow some 'Get out of Trouble' instructions that John Ballance has now posted

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 4 Hours ago by: Chris Hughes

[snip] John Ballance has posted the following "Get of Trouble" instructions on the ROOL forums: GET OUT OF TROUBLE In the unlikely event that install fails, and you cannot revert using the uninstall feature then this is what you'

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 4 Hours ago by: Mik Towse

[snip] I use VRPC and I assumed this wasn't needed for the emulators. Is his not th case?

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 6 Hours ago by: Bernard

On the Install I eventually clicked SAVE followed by 'Reset now'. I saw no other messages. On rebooting it displayed the Network configuration window again. I then clicked 'Reset later' to get to the desktop. Before !Install wa

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 6 Hours ago by: Dave

Whoops! Someone didn't notice the " ;-) <<<<<" It was a humorous aside... Nothing more... :-) Why would I report it... Nothing to report. ;-) The RISC OS I use is mostly is 6.20 and if I've been following this thread correctly,

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 7 Hours ago by: Bernard

My Pi4 has 4GB RAM, the official Raspberry Pi 4 case, the official Raspberry Pi fan and the CJE Micros Raspberry Pi 4 Real Time Clock Module which also controls the fan. Bernard

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 14 Hours ago by: Martin

Dave, no-one is forcing you to use the new stack, or DHCP. As Andrew said, it is still a work-in-progress. I am sure this minor problem will be fixed, now it has been reported back to ROD..... I assume you did report it?

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 14 Hours ago by: Theo

I haven't tried it so don't know specifics of how it relates to Gmail with app passwords, but in other parts of Google you only need to do the full authentication when something changes - eg a different browser or logging in from a differ

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 15 Hours ago by: Rob Hemmings (News)

[Snip] Thanks for the thought but now I've switched to DHCP I no longer see the error.

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dave

[Snip] Being forced to use DHCP.. Y'all sure this is not a Microsoft newsgroup... ;-) <<<<< Dave

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 18 Hours ago by: Rob Hemmings (News)

[Snip] Hi David, Mine was configured with a Manual IP address - with the fixed address supplied by me. Now I've switched to DHCP it seems to work fine.

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 18 Hours ago by: Chris Hughes

See what happens if you take LanMan98 v2.08 out of your startup, then reboot. Remember LanMan98 is a network application.

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 18 Hours ago by: Rob Hemmings (News)

Hi Martin (and David), Interesting! I did have a fixed IP address before but now I've changed to DHCP and then re-installed the new TCI/IP stack the error message has gone away and everything seems to be working OK. Thanks for th

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 18 Hours ago by: David Higton

I've since found out that it fails as described above when the network is configured to get its IP address from the hostname, but it works when set to DHCP. So how is yours configured? I've updated the ticket accordingly. David

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 18 Hours ago by: Martin

[Snip] In RISC OS Configuration => Network => Internet => Interfaces => Configure do you use an IP address, a hostname or DHCP? If not DHCP, can you try that? Martin

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 19 Hours ago by: Rob Hemmings (News)

[Snip] I'm getting the same problem and error message - just as described above. I don't have Omni but I do load LanMan98 version 2.08 at startup. I'm on an ArmX6 running RISC OS 5.29. I'd be grateful for any suggestions.

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 20 Hours ago by: Martin

Seems to be just LanManFS and NFS that were updated last year. But I have discovered I had not updated those, after I found that OmniClient *was* the latest release (v2.32 from 2020). And I had no bother with the older versions an

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 20 Hours ago by: Martin

Was this just after clicking 'Install then Reboot', but before you saw a message "Make sure you have saved any unsaved work, then click 'Continue' to proceed. Your computer will install the new stack components and reboot directly"

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 21 Hours ago by: Chris Hughes

I don't normally use Omni but do use LM98 latest version 2.08 like you No, but it appears some of the networking modules within have had some updates

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 22 Hours ago by: Chris Hughes

That sounds like the !InetSetup has not updated correctly So it thinks those modules are unplugged Is this a standard Pi 4 without any extra HAT's ?

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 22 Hours ago by: David Higton

The basis for my question, of course. I don't normally use Omni at all. When I access a network drive, I do it via LanMan98 - but LM98 doesn't run unless and until I want to access the drive. So, does the new stack force Omni to run,

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Bernard

The Network Configuration window opened and stuck there. I eventually clicked SAVE and it rebooted. Now every time it starts up I get the Network Configuration window during boot up. If I click SAVE then 'Reset later' I can get to

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 22 Days 23 Hours ago by: Bernard

That would make sense. !Omni updated - I don't use it though. My Pi 4 is not overclocked. I saw the note about that. Bernard

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 23 Days 2 Hours ago by: Chris Hughes

Possibly, It's available via Packman anyway for ease of install. I think looking at the internals of the current Omni its actually some of the modules that have been updated rather then Omni itself. The prerequisites I think ar

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 23 Days 3 Hours ago by: Martin

Seems redundant if Omni is not being used, though? I would agree that the pre-requisites for running the new stack are not well defined. Terms like 'latest' should be replaced by version numbers - and enforced by RMEnsures - for av

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 23 Days 14 Hours ago by: Chris Hughes

Andrew Rawnsley says on the ARMini list: Just make sure to update your !Omni, since there are fixes in that from last year that fit well with the new stack. End quote:

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 23 Days 15 Hours ago by: Martin

So the message appears in an error window after the desktop has appeared? Both ShareFS and Resolver issues will probably be because of the earlier failure. Unless you understand IPv6 stay well clear! The next step is to nar

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 23 Days 16 Hours ago by: David Higton

Does it require the latest !Omni even if I'm not running Omni? David

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 23 Days 16 Hours ago by: Paul Oates

Martin, I am running 5.29 on an ARMX6. I too got an alignment error. It was after a series of reboot messages which appeared normal though IP6Net had an egg-timer for a few seconds. When that cleared there was a message from the

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 23 Days 19 Hours ago by: Martin

When you say "After Installation" is that after you have seen the message "Make sure you have saved any unsaved work, then click 'Continue' to proceed. Your computer will install the new stack components and reboot directly." and yo

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 23 Days 20 Hours ago by: Chris Craig

My address must have got chopped? ARM6 RO 5.29. 1st Feb 22 After installation it says restart - it looked to be loading OK but then I got the "alignment error". I don't use Omni only LanMan98 2.08 -- chris.j.craig@btinternet.com A

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 23 Days 20 Hours ago by: Martin

[Snip] What hardware and OS version/date was than on? Did the message show anything else apart from 'Alignment error'? At what point did it appear?

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 23 Days 21 Hours ago by: Chris Craig

For me it all looked to go well but on restart "Alignment error" Luckily uninstall worked. -- chris.j.craig@btinternet.com ARMX6 RISC OS 5.29

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 24 Days ago by: Martin

[Snip] How did it 'go wrong'? Did it appear to work and re-boot, or did it fail with some error before the boot? If that is because of an unknown SWI, I suspect you have been left with some modules (includung Internet) unplugged. Try

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 24 Days 1 Hour ago by: Chris Hughes

Have you tried opening the !Install program and within it is an Uninstall obey file. This is the the uninstaller basically I understand. Did you also ensure you had the latest !Omni as advised etc in the Read Me first file

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 24 Days 4 Hours ago by: John

Judging by the thread on the Bounties forum of ROOL's web site, you're not the only one. ROD are promising full support after the bank holiday. My ARMX6 upgraded faultlessly too but I haven't tried it on my older Pies. John

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

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Posted: 24 Days 4 Hours ago by: Bernard

I installed it on my ARMX6 and all went well. However, when I installed it on my Pi4 with RISC OS 5.29 (2 Apr 2022) it all went wrong leaving me with no Internet or networking. The !Install program also now fails to work so I ca

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

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Posted: 24 Days 13 Hours ago by: Harriet Bazley

[snip] Ouch. So *every single time* your mail transport tries to fetch from your inbox, you will have to manually confirm your identity... i.e. every twenty minutes or so?

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 24 Days 19 Hours ago by: John

So it has. That'll teach me to be so quick off the mark. John

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 24 Days 19 Hours ago by: Martin

Indeed. The csaa announcement has now been corrected to include the link.

Re: Google and the end of May (thread)

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Posted: 24 Days 23 Hours ago by: Chris Newman

As I understand it, if you wish to keep accessing Google on older (Less secure?) kit you will need to get a new password to put in to your mail transport prog. This only needs to be done once unless you have some sort of catastrophic f

Re: New Open Source TCP/IP Stack for RISC OS now available to download

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 25 Days ago by: John

What great news! However, the text of this announcement has been taken from: https://www.riscosdev.com/projects/ and the download link referred to... ....only appears on that page and not in the announcement. John

Google and the end of May

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 25 Days 4 Hours ago by: Dave

Good day folks, My dear Fay (Wife) has been pestered recently (As I guess many of us have) by BOT mails from google, about access to google accounts being cut off on May 30th... Or somesuch. Now she's pestering me to explain, and to be qu

Re: Plusnet and triplicate emails (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 14 Hours ago by: Chris Hughes

You can have multiple mailboxes with PlusNet. Indeed I think Xencentric only has a lower limit Its not Messenger Pro that does the fetching etc from the mail servers its Hermes or Popstar - There is also only now one version of

Re: Plusnet and triplicate emails (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 29 Days 17 Hours ago by: Mik Towse

[snip] Indeed. Sorry I was being lazy. POP is possible, but IMAP allows public and private folders, which can be useful where several people have access to the emails. [snip] This is the part I'm still confused about. I can't get my he

Re: Plusnet and triplicate emails (thread)

comp.sys.acorn.networking

Posted: 29 Days 22 Hours ago by: Chris Hughes

Short for Xencentric So what you are wanting is IMAP access to the emails by the sounds of it. That way the emails remain on the server until you fill the quota up or delete the message Yes its possible but as you have 6 users hav

Re: Plusnet and triplicate emails (thread)

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Posted: 29 Days 23 Hours ago by: David Higton

You might like to look at inbox.com, which is where I get my email service. Their servers do POP, and accept the DELE command, but the mail remains on the server until deleted by someone using webmail. It might be pretty much what you w

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