|
| U.S. payrolls rose 199,000 in November, unemployment rate
| falls to 3.7%
| ...
<https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/08/jobs-report-november-2023-us-payrolls-rose-199000-in-november-unemployment-rate-falls-to-3point7percent.html>

--bks

On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 14:59:02 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

> |
> | U.S. payrolls rose 199,000 in November, unemployment rate
> | falls to 3.7%
> | ...
><https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/08/jobs-report-november-2023-us-payrolls-rose-199000-in-november-unemployment-rate-falls-to-3point7percent.html>
>
> --bks

Oops. The second largest increase is in government jobs....

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/08/heres-where-the-jobs-are-for-november-2023-in-one-chart.html

>> | U.S. payrolls rose 199,000 in November, unemployment rate
>> | falls to 3.7%

|
| Americans might be loath to believe it, but on paper, the
| U.S. economy is doing pretty well. So well, in fact, that
| we're outperforming forecasts made even before the pandemic
| began.
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/08/jobs-report-economy-beats-pandemic-predictions/>

--bks

On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 15:41:48 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>>> | U.S. payrolls rose 199,000 in November, unemployment rate
>>> | falls to 3.7%
>
> |
> | Americans might be loath to believe it, but on paper, the
> | U.S. economy is doing pretty well. So well, in fact, that
> | we're outperforming forecasts made even before the pandemic
> | began.
> | ...
><https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/08/jobs-report-economy-beats-pandemic-predictions/>
>
> --bks

When you have a disconnect between numbers and what people say and
feel, you're numbers are suspect. Basic concepts.

On Sat, 09 Dec 2023 09:23:01 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 14:59:02 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>Sherman) wrote:
>
>> |
>> | U.S. payrolls rose 199,000 in November, unemployment rate
>> | falls to 3.7%
>> | ...
>><https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/08/jobs-report-november-2023-us-payrolls-rose-199000-in-november-unemployment-rate-falls-to-3point7percent.html>
>>
>> --bks
>
>Oops. The second largest increase is in government jobs....
>
>https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/08/heres-where-the-jobs-are-for-november-2023-in-one-chart.html

Once again the Russian Bradley can't defend the garbage he posts.

NoBody wrote:
> When you have a disconnect between numbers and what people say and
> feel, you're numbers are suspect. Basic concepts.

We already know you reject the scientific method. For you feels
not reals.

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On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 07:12:46 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>> When you have a disconnect between numbers and what people say and
>> feel, you're numbers are suspect. Basic concepts.
>
>We already know you reject the scientific method. For you feels
>not reals.

No wonder Kremlin Girl is such a stooge, she has it backwards! You use numbers to confirm
if your feelings are correct, not the other way 'round!

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On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 07:12:46 -0800, Siri Cruise
<chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>> When you have a disconnect between numbers and what people say and
>> feel, you're numbers are suspect. Basic concepts.
>
>We already know you reject the scientific method. For you feels
>not reals.

Yet another Siri nonsensical reply.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 14:15:56 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 07:12:46 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>NoBody wrote:
>>> When you have a disconnect between numbers and what people say and
>>> feel, you're numbers are suspect. Basic concepts.
>>
>>We already know you reject the scientific method. For you feels
>>not reals.
>
>No wonder Kremlin Girl is such a stooge, she has it backwards! You use numbers to confirm
>if your feelings are correct, not the other way 'round!
>
>Swill

Interesting that you still end up with the same question. Why the
disconnect? Could this be the reason:

Press Release
Total Household Debt Reaches $17.29 Trillion in Q3 2023; Driven by
Mortgage, Credit Card, and Student Loan Balances
Delinquency transition rates increase for most debt types
November 07, 2023

NEW YORK—The Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s Center for
Microeconomic Data today issued its Quarterly Report on Household Debt
and Credit. The Report shows total household debt increased by $228
billion (1.3%) in the third quarter of 2023, to $17.29 trillion. The
report is based on data from the New York Fed’s nationally
representative Consumer Credit Panel. "

https://www.newyorkfed.org/newsevents/news/research/2023/20231107

We're spending money we simply don't have. What do you suppose is the
likely outcome of this since that "great economy" is built on a poor
foundation?

I know time for Swilly to run away and hide.

NoBody wrote:
> and Credit. The Report shows total household debt increased by $228
> billion (1.3%) in the third quarter of 2023, to $17.29 trillion. The
> report is based on data from the New York Fed’s nationally
> representative Consumer Credit Panel. "

Amount of debt is irrelevant. What's relevant to the lender is
getting paid back. If you're smart, you use the money for
something worth the interest. My interest payments quickly became
less than rent would've been.

> We're spending money we simply don't have. What do you suppose is the
> likely outcome of this since that "great economy" is built on a poor
> foundation?

Most businesses are always on debt because they intend to use the
money to make profits that exceed the interest. When states act to
prevent fraudulent exploitation of borrowing Republican scream
bloody treason.

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 06:51:14 -0800, Siri Cruise
<chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>> and Credit. The Report shows total household debt increased by $228
>> billion (1.3%) in the third quarter of 2023, to $17.29 trillion. The
>> report is based on data from the New York Fed’s nationally
>> representative Consumer Credit Panel. "
>
>Amount of debt is irrelevant. What's relevant to the lender is
>getting paid back.

Problem is that they aren't. Have you noticed that car reposessions
are increasing due to non-payment of the loans? Increasing the
spending of money that you don't have is never a good sign for the
economy.

"The holidays are a popular time to rack up credit card debt. And this
season, you may be resigned to closing out December with a credit card
balance that will carry into 2024.

But what if your 2023 holiday credit card balance is coming on top of
an existing balance from last year's holiday season? According to a
recent survey by CouponFollow, 25% of Americans said last year’s
holiday shopping led to credit card debt. And of consumers in that
boat, 35% have yet to pay that debt off in full.

The problem, though, is that the longer you carry a balance on your
credit cards, the more interest you rack up. Also, too large a credit
card balance relative to your total spending limit could actually drag
down your credit score. This holds true even if you manage to make
your minimum payments each month.

If you're still hanging onto debt from the 2022 holidays, it's
imperative that you shake it as quickly as you can. And with these two
tactics, you may find that you're able to become debt-free well before
the end of 2024."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/1-in-3-americans-who-racked-up-holiday-debt-in-2022-still-havent-paid-it-off/ar-AA1ldJjH

NoBody wrote:
>> NoBody wrote:
>>> and Credit. The Report shows total household debt increased by $228
>>> billion (1.3%) in the third quarter of 2023, to $17.29 trillion. The
>>> report is based on data from the New York Fed’s nationally
>>> representative Consumer Credit Panel. "
>> Amount of debt is irrelevant. What's relevant to the lender is
>> getting paid back.
> Problem is that they aren't. Have you noticed that car reposessions
> are increasing due to non-payment of the loans? Increasing the
> spending of money that you don't have is never a good sign for the
> economy.
>

Then whine appropriately.

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>> | U.S. payrolls rose 199,000 in November, unemployment rate
>> | falls to 3.7%

|
| Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
| on inflation
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/13/dow-jones-stock-market-record-high-economy-interest-rates/>

--bks

On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 06:25:46 -0800, Siri Cruise
<chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>> and Credit. The Report shows total household debt increased by $228
>>>> billion (1.3%) in the third quarter of 2023, to $17.29 trillion. The
>>>> report is based on data from the New York Fed’s nationally
>>>> representative Consumer Credit Panel. "
>>> Amount of debt is irrelevant. What's relevant to the lender is
>>> getting paid back.
>> Problem is that they aren't. Have you noticed that car reposessions
>> are increasing due to non-payment of the loans? Increasing the
>> spending of money that you don't have is never a good sign for the
>> economy.
>>
>
>Then whine appropriately.

You misspelled "wine" of which you have had far too much.

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 02:04:17 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>>> | U.S. payrolls rose 199,000 in November, unemployment rate
>>> | falls to 3.7%
>
> |
> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
> | on inflation
> | ...
><https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/13/dow-jones-stock-market-record-high-economy-interest-rates/>
>
> --bks

So the Dow just reached the point where it was near three years ago.
Time to celebrate!

<eyeroll>

On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 07:06:51 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 06:51:14 -0800, Siri Cruise
><chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>NoBody wrote:
>>> and Credit. The Report shows total household debt increased by $228
>>> billion (1.3%) in the third quarter of 2023, to $17.29 trillion. The
>>> report is based on data from the New York Fed’s nationally
>>> representative Consumer Credit Panel. "
>>
>>Amount of debt is irrelevant. What's relevant to the lender is
>>getting paid back.
>
>Problem is that they aren't. Have you noticed that car reposessions
>are increasing due to non-payment of the loans? Increasing the
>spending of money that you don't have is never a good sign for the
>economy.
>
>"The holidays are a popular time to rack up credit card debt. And this
>season, you may be resigned to closing out December with a credit card
>balance that will carry into 2024.
>
>But what if your 2023 holiday credit card balance is coming on top of
>an existing balance from last year's holiday season? According to a
>recent survey by CouponFollow, 25% of Americans said last year’s
>holiday shopping led to credit card debt. And of consumers in that
>boat, 35% have yet to pay that debt off in full.
>
>The problem, though, is that the longer you carry a balance on your
>credit cards, the more interest you rack up. Also, too large a credit
>card balance relative to your total spending limit could actually drag
>down your credit score. This holds true even if you manage to make
>your minimum payments each month.
>
>If you're still hanging onto debt from the 2022 holidays, it's
>imperative that you shake it as quickly as you can. And with these two
>tactics, you may find that you're able to become debt-free well before
>the end of 2024."
>
>https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/1-in-3-americans-who-racked-up-holiday-debt-in-2022-still-havent-paid-it-off/ar-AA1ldJjH

And Siri (once again) runs away from the facts.

>> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
>> | on inflation

| ...
| Then-President Trump warned voters during a 2020
| presidential debate with now-President Joe Biden that the
| markets would "crash" if Biden won.
| ...
<https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-old-stock-market-091517272.html>

--bks

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:16:27 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>>> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
>>> | on inflation
>
> | ...
> | Then-President Trump warned voters during a 2020
> | presidential debate with now-President Joe Biden that the
> | markets would "crash" if Biden won.
> | ...
><https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-old-stock-market-091517272.html>
>
> --bks

And they did (or did you forget)?
We are only just now getting back into the neighborhood they were. Net
get gain is about 6 to 7% a year which is rather ho-hum for stock
market returns.

I also note you were *dead silent* about the drop of the market into
the 28000's under Biden.

It's either Biden's market or it's not.

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 07:05:46 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 02:04:17 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>Sherman) wrote:
>
>>>> | U.S. payrolls rose 199,000 in November, unemployment rate
>>>> | falls to 3.7%
>>
>> |
>> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
>> | on inflation
>> | ...
>><https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/13/dow-jones-stock-market-record-high-economy-interest-rates/>
>>
>> --bks
>
>So the Dow just reached the point where it was near three years ago.
>Time to celebrate!
>
><eyeroll>

And Bradley runs away.

NoBody wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:16:27 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
> Sherman) wrote:
>
>>>> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
>>>> | on inflation
>>
>> | ...
>> | Then-President Trump warned voters during a 2020
>> | presidential debate with now-President Joe Biden that the
>> | markets would "crash" if Biden won.
>> | ...
>> <https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-old-stock-market-091517272.html>
>>
>> --bks
>
> And they did (or did you forget)?
> We are only just now getting back into the neighborhood they were. Net
> get gain is about 6 to 7% a year which is rather ho-hum for stock
> market returns.
>
> I also note you were *dead silent* about the drop of the market into
> the 28000's under Biden.
>
> It's either Biden's market or it's not.
>

When was that market crash?

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:39:14 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:16:27 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>> Sherman) wrote:
>>
>>>>> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
>>>>> | on inflation
>>>
>>> | ...
>>> | Then-President Trump warned voters during a 2020
>>> | presidential debate with now-President Joe Biden that the
>>> | markets would "crash" if Biden won.
>>> | ...
>>> <https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-old-stock-market-091517272.html>
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>> And they did (or did you forget)?
>> We are only just now getting back into the neighborhood they were. Net
>> get gain is about 6 to 7% a year which is rather ho-hum for stock
>> market returns.
>>
>> I also note you were *dead silent* about the drop of the market into
>> the 28000's under Biden.
>>
>> It's either Biden's market or it's not.
>>
>
>When was that market crash?

First, it didn't get below 28000 under Biden. The lowest it got was 28725 in Sept '22.

The biggest crash in the past five years was 2020. It bottomed out at a bit over 20,000.
Wasn't Trump President in 2020?

<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=dow+historical#cso=chart-annotations-carousel:0>

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:39:14 -0800, Siri Cruise
<chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:16:27 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>> Sherman) wrote:
>>
>>>>> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
>>>>> | on inflation
>>>
>>> | ...
>>> | Then-President Trump warned voters during a 2020
>>> | presidential debate with now-President Joe Biden that the
>>> | markets would "crash" if Biden won.
>>> | ...
>>> <https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-old-stock-market-091517272.html>
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>> And they did (or did you forget)?
>> We are only just now getting back into the neighborhood they were. Net
>> get gain is about 6 to 7% a year which is rather ho-hum for stock
>> market returns.
>>
>> I also note you were *dead silent* about the drop of the market into
>> the 28000's under Biden.
>>
>> It's either Biden's market or it's not.
>>
>
>When was that market crash?

Didn't read before replying????

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:30:58 -0500, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:39:14 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>NoBody wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:16:27 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>> Sherman) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
>>>>>> | on inflation
>>>>
>>>> | ...
>>>> | Then-President Trump warned voters during a 2020
>>>> | presidential debate with now-President Joe Biden that the
>>>> | markets would "crash" if Biden won.
>>>> | ...
>>>> <https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-old-stock-market-091517272.html>
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> And they did (or did you forget)?
>>> We are only just now getting back into the neighborhood they were. Net
>>> get gain is about 6 to 7% a year which is rather ho-hum for stock
>>> market returns.
>>>
>>> I also note you were *dead silent* about the drop of the market into
>>> the 28000's under Biden.
>>>
>>> It's either Biden's market or it's not.
>>>
>>
>>When was that market crash?
>
>First, it didn't get below 28000 under Biden.

Where did I say it did???

NoBody wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:39:14 -0800, Siri Cruise
> <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> NoBody wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:16:27 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>> Sherman) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
>>>>>> | on inflation
>>>>
>>>> | ...
>>>> | Then-President Trump warned voters during a 2020
>>>> | presidential debate with now-President Joe Biden that the
>>>> | markets would "crash" if Biden won.
>>>> | ...
>>>> <https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-old-stock-market-091517272.html>
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> And they did (or did you forget)?
>>> We are only just now getting back into the neighborhood they were. Net
>>> get gain is about 6 to 7% a year which is rather ho-hum for stock
>>> market returns.
>>>
>>> I also note you were *dead silent* about the drop of the market into
>>> the 28000's under Biden.
>>>
>>> It's either Biden's market or it's not.
>>>
>>
>> When was that market crash?
>
> Didn't read before replying????
>

Are you defining a market crash as any reduction in Dow Jones?
That's a dozen market crash per month.

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On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:48:33 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:39:14 -0800, Siri Cruise
>> <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:16:27 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>>> Sherman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> | Dow Jones hits an all-time high as investors cheer progress
>>>>>>> | on inflation
>>>>>
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> | Then-President Trump warned voters during a 2020
>>>>> | presidential debate with now-President Joe Biden that the
>>>>> | markets would "crash" if Biden won.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> <https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-old-stock-market-091517272.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> --bks
>>>>
>>>> And they did (or did you forget)?
>>>> We are only just now getting back into the neighborhood they were. Net
>>>> get gain is about 6 to 7% a year which is rather ho-hum for stock
>>>> market returns.
>>>>
>>>> I also note you were *dead silent* about the drop of the market into
>>>> the 28000's under Biden.
>>>>
>>>> It's either Biden's market or it's not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When was that market crash?
>>
>> Didn't read before replying????
>>
>
>Are you defining a market crash as any reduction in Dow Jones?
>That's a dozen market crash per month.

And Kremlin Girl shows her utter stupidity again.

Trump's highest Dow was only 500 points above Biden's lowest and the current Dow is 7000
points above Trump's high.

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