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 by: Eli Kesef - Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:26 UTC

Bs"d

Here after my Zukertort opening, I got yet another Tennison gambit: https://lichess.org/rM1H0EhfVL9R

I followed the line taught to me by GM Smirnov, and it worked like a charm.
The enemy fell two times victim to the fact that his e6 pawn was pinned, and that costed him two pieces. Since I had sacrificed my horse on f7, that put me one piece ahead.
Also in this game the enemy lost 2 pieces on the same square, because of the same pin: https://lichess.org/jrKdQp4eNlR4
Isn't that incredibly funny?? :D

Then my bishop took his e6 pawn, which was protected by his queen and king, and only attacked by my queen and bishop. So he right away took my bishop with his queen.
And that was a big mistake.
Because now I could royally fork him. My horse forked both his queen and king in one jump, and the enemy run out of the game without resigning.
That's OK, I understand. https://tinyurl.com/resign-grace
On top of that, after he run away, Lichess told me that I could claim victory in 9 seconds, so there was no harm done.

Tennison in combination with my trusty horse did it again!

https://tinyurl.com/horse4k-withu

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Bs"d

So in the Tennison gambit I decided to go with another trap as usual, a more simple one, one which is played sooner, and a might harder to see than the trap I previous played. And not as complicated and far removed as the one I learned from GM Smirnov.
It is about the same trap as the one in the Budapest gambit. The first time I tried it out it was a resounding success, the enemy had to part with his queen and got in return only a horse and a bishop: https://lichess.org/qZgoEYX2Gs1E

And that's an easy win.

https://tinyurl.com/Tennis-trap

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 by: Eli Kesef - Sat, 9 Apr 2022 20:55 UTC

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 8:46:33 PM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
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> So in the Tennison gambit I decided to go with another trap as usual, a more simple one, one which is played sooner, and a might harder to see than the trap I previous played. And not as complicated and far removed as the one I learned from GM Smirnov.
> It is about the same trap as the one in the Budapest gambit. The first time I tried it out it was a resounding success, the enemy had to part with his queen and got in return only a horse and a bishop: https://lichess.org/qZgoEYX2Gs1E
>
> And that's an easy win.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Tennis-trap

Bs"d

And also the second time I tried it was a big success: https://lichess.org/cGMymevXVexC

The enemy had to part with his queen on move 8 in exchange for only a horse and a bishop.

I think I like this trap.

https://tinyurl.com/more-to-life

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 by: Eli Kesef - Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:21 UTC

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:55:45 PM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 8:46:33 PM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > So in the Tennison gambit I decided to go with another trap as usual, a more simple one, one which is played sooner, and a might harder to see than the trap I previous played. And not as complicated and far removed as the one I learned from GM Smirnov.
> > It is about the same trap as the one in the Budapest gambit. The first time I tried it out it was a resounding success, the enemy had to part with his queen and got in return only a horse and a bishop: https://lichess.org/qZgoEYX2Gs1E
> >
> > And that's an easy win.
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/Tennis-trap
> Bs"d
>
> And also the second time I tried it was a big success: https://lichess.org/cGMymevXVexC
>
> The enemy had to part with his queen on move 8 in exchange for only a horse and a bishop.
>
> I think I like this trap.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/more-to-life

Bs"d

"Simplicity is the hallmark of the real thing."

Here is my third attempt with the simple version of the Tennison trap: https://lichess.org/WpFwYxRT9kfY

It was a spectacular success, ending with a resignation on move 8.

https://tinyurl.com/trappy-gambit

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Bs"d

In this battle: https://lichess.org/w9qdRnhOq3He an 1832 bit the dust on move 15 after he got attacked frontally by a Stafford gambit.

https://tinyurl.com/beerklem

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Bs"d

In this battle https://lichess.org/nS5Q8vm6hSCd I attacked the enemy with a Stafford gambit.

His reply was all wrong, and I got the triple attack on f2. He took the easiest way out and only lost an exchange, but that was enough to force his surrender.

The Stafford keeps on hitting hard.

http://tiny.cc/never-2-old

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Bs"d

In this game: https://lichess.org/mXHFpy8cA6UB I started with the Zukertort, and got a Tennison gambit on the board.

I went right away for the jugular and also for the quick and efficient trap in which you give up a horse and a bishop in exchange for the enemy queen.

That worked quite well, so well that he forgot to capture my bishop which checked him on move 7 and g6, and deflected the king away from the queen, so the enemy queen was ripe for the taking.

After he lost his queen, on move 8, he surrendered.

Tennison hit again.

And then he wanted revanche. So I obliged. This time I had black, he started with d4, so I did e5, and we had an Englund gambit on the board: https://lichess.org/JvRMwLfuhcma

That trappy gambit was responsible for the enemy being a full castle down on move 8, but he limped on until move 23 before he run out of the game without resigning.

Where would we be without opening traps?

https://tinyurl.com/gloeiogen

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
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> In this game: https://lichess.org/mXHFpy8cA6UB I started with the Zukertort, and got a Tennison gambit on the board.
>
> I went right away for the jugular and also for the quick and efficient trap in which you give up a horse and a bishop in exchange for the enemy queen.
>
> That worked quite well, so well that he forgot to capture my bishop which checked him on move 7 and g6, and deflected the king away from the queen, so the enemy queen was ripe for the taking.
>
> After he lost his queen, on move 8, he surrendered.
>
> Tennison hit again.
>
> And then he wanted revanche. So I obliged. This time I had black, he started with d4, so I did e5, and we had an Englund gambit on the board: https://lichess.org/JvRMwLfuhcma
>
> That trappy gambit was responsible for the enemy being a full castle down on move 8, but he limped on until move 23 before he run out of the game without resigning.
>
> Where would we be without opening traps?

In the past I disliked online chess, but age, alcohol abuse, senility or your example has made a convert of me and I've been playing a bit on lichess.

First thing to note, I blunder incessantly. Against stockfish the question is not will I drop a piece, but when. If I drop it late enough I might have enough advantage to win anyway.

The following was an early attempt against stockfish at level five. This is just a test to see if I can import it, it's not a great game even at g5+8, but at least I didn't drop a piece.

https://lichess.org/dPtSO802#88

It goes on far too long. Stockfish doesn't resign.

Notably, I moved both rook pawns.

William Hyde

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 11:41:33 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > In this game: https://lichess.org/mXHFpy8cA6UB I started with the Zukertort, and got a Tennison gambit on the board.
> >
> > I went right away for the jugular and also for the quick and efficient trap in which you give up a horse and a bishop in exchange for the enemy queen.
> >
> > That worked quite well, so well that he forgot to capture my bishop which checked him on move 7 and g6, and deflected the king away from the queen, so the enemy queen was ripe for the taking.
> >
> > After he lost his queen, on move 8, he surrendered.
> >
> > Tennison hit again.
> >
> > And then he wanted revanche. So I obliged. This time I had black, he started with d4, so I did e5, and we had an Englund gambit on the board: https://lichess.org/JvRMwLfuhcma
> >
> > That trappy gambit was responsible for the enemy being a full castle down on move 8, but he limped on until move 23 before he run out of the game without resigning.
> >
> > Where would we be without opening traps?
> In the past I disliked online chess, but age, alcohol abuse, senility or your example has made a convert of me and I've been playing a bit on lichess.
>
> First thing to note, I blunder incessantly.

Bs"d

So do I, so you're not the only one. I'm having a particular bad episode at the moment, I think mainly because I'm tired of playing so much chess, and don't want to think anymore. I play incredibly fast, the enemy thinks very long, and I get slaughtered.
I sunk into the 1700's, I started to play much shorter time controls, so I don't give the enemy time to think. I played 10/10, 8/8, up till 5/5, but nothing helps.
I considered stopping to play for a few months, but I can't stop.
So I just struggle on.

> Against stockfish the question is not will I drop a piece, but when. If I drop it late enough I might have enough advantage to win anyway.

If you didn't play for a long time, then it is to be expected that you play bad. Train more and especially in the beginning, you'll improve very fast.
>
> The following was an early attempt against stockfish at level five. This is just a test to see if I can import it, it's not a great game even at g5+8, but at least I didn't drop a piece.
>
> https://lichess.org/dPtSO802#88
>
> It goes on far too long. Stockfish doesn't resign.

Nobody ever won by resigning. And congrats, you beat the silicon monster!

If you have problems beating it, just play it on a weaker level.

But anyway, playing against humans is much more fun than playing against a comp. When you beat a comp you cannot feel its pain. And humans, like yourself, and like me, we blunder. Comps don't, and that gives them an unfair advantage.

> Notably, I moved both rook pawns.

But not in the forbidden way. The first one, the h pawn, was part of a king side attack, no problem there. And when you moved the a pawn, you attacked an enemy bishop, who was forced to move, so also no problem there.
The problem with playing the castle pawns is that you are wasting time in the opening. But when you attack an enemy piece in the opening with your castle pawn, that problem doesn't exist, because yes, you lose a move, but so does the enemy who has to move a piece twice in the opening, so that evens out.

https://tinyurl.com/adv-age-magic

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Bs"d

In this battle: https://lichess.org/SbfnuUyMFcEv the enemy was not familiar with the fishing pole trap.

He surrendered on move 14, mate in a few moves being unavoidable.

https://rb.gy/ln1tsa

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 by: William Hyde - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:36 UTC

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:27:11 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 11:41:33 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > Bs"d
> > >
> > > In this game: https://lichess.org/mXHFpy8cA6UB I started with the Zukertort, and got a Tennison gambit on the board.
> > >
> > > I went right away for the jugular and also for the quick and efficient trap in which you give up a horse and a bishop in exchange for the enemy queen.
> > >
> > > That worked quite well, so well that he forgot to capture my bishop which checked him on move 7 and g6, and deflected the king away from the queen, so the enemy queen was ripe for the taking.
> > >
> > > After he lost his queen, on move 8, he surrendered.
> > >
> > > Tennison hit again.
> > >
> > > And then he wanted revanche. So I obliged. This time I had black, he started with d4, so I did e5, and we had an Englund gambit on the board: https://lichess.org/JvRMwLfuhcma
> > >
> > > That trappy gambit was responsible for the enemy being a full castle down on move 8, but he limped on until move 23 before he run out of the game without resigning.
> > >
> > > Where would we be without opening traps?
> > In the past I disliked online chess, but age, alcohol abuse, senility or your example has made a convert of me and I've been playing a bit on lichess.
> >
> > First thing to note, I blunder incessantly.
> Bs"d
>
> So do I, so you're not the only one. I'm having a particular bad episode at the moment, I think mainly because I'm tired of playing so much chess, and don't want to think anymore. I play incredibly fast, the enemy thinks very long, and I get slaughtered.
> I sunk into the 1700's, I started to play much shorter time controls, so I don't give the enemy time to think. I played 10/10, 8/8, up till 5/5, but nothing helps.
> I considered stopping to play for a few months, but I can't stop.
> So I just struggle on.
> > Against stockfish the question is not will I drop a piece, but when. If I drop it late enough I might have enough advantage to win anyway.
> If you didn't play for a long time, then it is to be expected that you play bad. Train more and especially in the beginning, you'll improve very fast.
> >
> > The following was an early attempt against stockfish at level five. This is just a test to see if I can import it, it's not a great game even at g5+8, but at least I didn't drop a piece.
> >
> > https://lichess.org/dPtSO802#88
> >
> > It goes on far too long. Stockfish doesn't resign.
> Nobody ever won by resigning. And congrats, you beat the silicon monster!
>
> If you have problems beating it, just play it on a weaker level.

Not my style.

I've moved up a level since then. I still blunder too much, but not quite as often. I was getting a plus score against level six, until yesterday when I went 2.5/7. I played some strange sacrifices which were at best almost sound. Might have won against level five.

Level six still has two weaknesses, the horizon effect can let you win material, and it is horrible at complex king and pawn endings. It can't see far enough ahead and wastes time with pointless king moves. It's good at knight and queen endgames, or perhaps it's more accurate to say that I'm bad at those. It's not good at rook endings, either.
>
> But anyway, playing against humans is much more fun than playing against a comp. When you beat a comp you cannot feel its pain. And humans, like yourself, and like me, we blunder. Comps don't, and that gives them an unfair advantage.

But it is good training in not blundering, when you play someone/thing who will catch every blunder of yours. My chess brain is a machine almost seized up with rust. I'm hoping stockfish will knock some of the rust off.

William Hyde

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On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:36:51 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:

> > If you have problems beating it, just play it on a weaker level.
> Not my style.

Bs"d

Whatever suits your fancy. Just make sure that you keep on enjoying yourself. It would be a shame if you gave up playing because the silicon monster is beating you all the time.

> I've moved up a level since then. I still blunder too much, but not quite as often. I was getting a plus score against level six, until yesterday when I went 2.5/7. I played some strange sacrifices which were at best almost sound. Might have won against level five.
>
> Level six still has two weaknesses, the horizon effect can let you win material, and it is horrible at complex king and pawn endings. It can't see far enough ahead and wastes time with pointless king moves. It's good at knight and queen endgames, or perhaps it's more accurate to say that I'm bad at those. It's not good at rook endings, either.

So you have a good strategy to beat the engine. Get those endgames he doesn't know how to play.

> > But anyway, playing against humans is much more fun than playing against a comp. When you beat a comp you cannot feel its pain. And humans, like yourself, and like me, we blunder. Comps don't, and that gives them an unfair advantage.
> But it is good training in not blundering, when you play someone/thing who will catch every blunder of yours.

That's what I like about playing against humans, it happens quite regularly that they overlook a blunder of mine.
And that's exactly what the machine will not do.
I like to win, not to be punished.

Yes, your strategy will make you better, but my strategy makes me win :D

Most of the time anyway.

> My chess brain is a machine almost seized up with rust. I'm hoping stockfish will knock some of the rust off.

Undoubtedly it will. Maybe you will not get to the level of your heyday, but you can still have a lot of fun playing.

In the biography of Magnus, written by his trainer when he was 13, (he must have felt what was coming) it speaks about a GM of 95 years old, Enrico Paoli, (that was in 2003, he died a few years later) who was still an active player. He was then just a little bit over 1900, but as long as you're having fun, who cares what your rating is?

https://tinyurl.com/not-to-old

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On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:36:12 PM UTC+2, Jack Horrelvoet wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> Google has the audacity not to let me sign in in my normal account, so I made another one.
> No reason to panic.
>
> So I had a great game against somebody I had slaughtered before, and the most funny and most horrible things happened.
>
> In this game against Sabdelazim https://lichess.org/n9Rl7nzR7pp5 I went for the Fried Liver. He countered that with a move he most likely learned from me, after my Ng5, making the double attack on f7, his horse from f6 took my e4 pawn. This is the move I always play against an attempted fried liver.
> So I decided to check out how well versed he was in this opening, and I checked him with my bishop on f7. His king stepped up, after which I took his horse, and his king took my bishop. Then my queen checked him, and then he made the horrible mistake of putting his king on g8. That cost him his queen, on move 10 my horse took his queen. Then later I skewered a castle of him, and I was 10 points ahead, and then my rotten internet connection gave up on me, and I lost the game because I supposedly left the game.
>
> I lost some more games because of my bad internet connection, and that together with some home made blunders, severely dented my rating.
>
> But then again; who is counting?

Bs"d

I gave the wrong link in this post. Here is the right one: (I hope) https://lichess.org/ReC3ryPG#22

https://tinyurl.com/Ponz-Stein

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Killers indeed. The day finally came when Stockfish at level six played the Tennison against me. I thought it would be cheating to play my best line against it, so I improvised. The improvisation was not that good. It gave up a pawn, for which it got good play, then another pawn, which I should not have taken, but it exchanged queens. Still, it had a strong pair of bishops and I had weak pawns.

About the only good move I played in this phase of the game was to give back the exchange. Then I made a series of pointless king moves as my clock was at 30 seconds.

If you think my rook sacrifice at move 54 was stupid, bold or brilliant, I could understand it, but it was actually a mouse slip moving the evaluation from +3 for me to -3. But Stockfish can't play endings and I had enough pawns to win the piece down ending, though I shouldn't have. Serious errors on both sides turned a loss into a draw into a win into a draw into a loss, then finally into a win with my pawn "sac" on move 71.

A seriously bad game, but loads of fun.

https://lichess.org/SlY0v0nG/black#141

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On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 11:53:44 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> Killers indeed. The day finally came when Stockfish at level six played the Tennison against me. I thought it would be cheating to play my best line against it, so I improvised. The improvisation was not that good. It gave up a pawn, for which it got good play, then another pawn, which I should not have taken, but it exchanged queens. Still, it had a strong pair of bishops and I had weak pawns.
>
> About the only good move I played in this phase of the game was to give back the exchange. Then I made a series of pointless king moves as my clock was at 30 seconds.
>
> If you think my rook sacrifice at move 54 was stupid, bold or brilliant, I could understand it, but it was actually a mouse slip moving the evaluation from +3 for me to -3. But Stockfish can't play endings and I had enough pawns to win the piece down ending, though I shouldn't have. Serious errors on both sides turned a loss into a draw into a win into a draw into a loss, then finally into a win with my pawn "sac" on move 71.

Bs"d

Nice game Herviborous :) Amazing how weak Stockfish is in the endgame.

But I think that carnivores are better equipped for chess than herbivores, they have more of a fighting spirit in them.

> A seriously bad game, but loads of fun.

And that is what it is all about; having fun.

Once you shed some rust, you should try playing against humans, that's even more fun.

https://tinyurl.com/Aristotl

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In this battle: https://lichess.org/iKr4uDM0Nbdz the Stafford gambit caused havoc in the enemy ranks, as it is supposed to do.

The enemy was of the 'never say die!' type, and soldiered on despite being 18 points behind in material, until the mate on move 32.

http://tiny.cc/violent-sport

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Bs"d

I got a new taker for a cute Stafford gambit: https://lichess.org/iwJGwXdq0Ujb

A funny variation, in which the enemy loses his queen in the opening, for only a horse and a bishop.

My queen picked up an extra castle, and the enemy staggered on until move 24, and then, him being 9 points behind, he surrendered.

https://lichess.org/iwJGwXdq0Ujb

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Bs"d

In this game: https://lichess.org/0ADsqNXPmKUM the enemy lost a castle in the opening because of the Boden - Kieseritzky gambit, which has a nasty trap in it.

It's easy playing when you are a castle ahead.

The enemy limped on to move 33 but then surrendered unconditionally.

Opening traps are terrible things!

https://tinyurl.com/mouse-trap

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Bs"d

I got a nice Stafford gambit, in which the enemy had to relinquish his queen for a horse and a bishop: https://lichess.org/3dXKma1mQ4Wu

He limped on until move 28, but then he buckled.

https://tinyurl.com/dev-Stafford

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Bs"d

Thanks to a Boden-Kieseritzky gambit the enemy came out of the opening with a castle missing.

He played on to the mate on move 35.

https://tinyurl.com/B-K-gambit

https://tinyurl.com/B-K-Morphy

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Bs"d

In this game https://lichess.org/NZovKHlQLZAF the enemy came out of the opening with a castle missing, courtesy to the Tennison gambit.

He was not dismayed by such a minor set back and he played on until move 31, but then he called it a day.

https://tinyurl.com/Tennison-carry-on

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Bs"d

Here is an interesting unusual variation of the Budapest gambit. The enemy had to part with an exchange in the opening:
https://lichess.org/1Qp2HkiAdUjd

It looked just like a Tennison gambit, but then with inverted colors.

https://tinyurl.com/Play-bold-Bud

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The four pawns attack is not an opening trap, but it might as well be for someone like myself who doesn't know
it at all. The machine says I have a decent game from the opening, but it is without any counterplay
that I could find, and I've no doubt that any human A player would have taken my position apart
in due course.

So I started a hopeless king side attack and was soon lost. I was playing on instinct, unable to see any
variations, until I noticed the mate in three.

https://lichess.org/7VrM3Ia0#70

Silly but amusing.

William Hyde

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On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:54:18 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> The four pawns attack is not an opening trap, but it might as well be for someone like myself who doesn't know
> it at all. The machine says I have a decent game from the opening, but it is without any counterplay
> that I could find, and I've no doubt that any human A player would have taken my position apart
> in due course.

Bs"d

I don't know the four pawn attack, it went out of style before my time. But the Dutch GM Jan Timman who at one point was nr 2 in the world, used to play it.

> So I started a hopeless king side attack and was soon lost. I was playing on instinct, unable to see any
> variations, until I noticed the mate in three.
>
> https://lichess.org/7VrM3Ia0#70
>
> Silly but amusing.

Stockfish was mean.

https://tinyurl.com/serious-chess

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Bs"d

The Budapest gambit hit again: https://lichess.org/tlzbOuyoGFOd

Again the enemy had to give up his queen for a horse and a bishop.

Because I was struck with blindness, the enemy anyway got 2 points ahead in material, but thanks to an impossible horse fork, and thanks to the fact that also the enemy was struck with blindness, I won anyway.

Not one of my best games, but hey, not every day is party time.

https://tinyurl.com/chessblind

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