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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 22:45 UTC

Bs"d

In this game https://lichess.org/3X7TuwX2m5aU I started with a Tennison gambit. I went reasonable, nothing shocking, no win of the enemy queen, but after me sacrificing a pawn, I ended up with 2 pawns more then the enemy.

But on move 11 I had a nice horse fork, which netted me an exchange, and after the enemy losing some more material, he resigned on move 22.

https://tinyurl.com/lovetofork

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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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 by: William Hyde - Wed, 29 Mar 2023 21:28 UTC

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:20:31 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 10:08:12 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:07:15 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 6:02:17 PM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:39:04 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Cut back on the pointless rook pawn moves and you will play better, and still have fun. More fun,
> > > > > in fact.
> > > > Bs"d
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to cut back on playing up the castle pawns. Let's see how it goes.
> > > >
> > > > https://tinyurl.com/calm-win
> > > Bs"d
> > >
> > > If I'm going to be back ranked, I'm going to blame it on you!
> > I was subject to a back rank combination myself today. Not a one move mate, but a slightly more
> > complex affair, even though I had played h6. Luckily I saw it early enough that I managed to
> > scrape a draw with a little help from the opponent.
> >
> > If you lose any games to bank rank mates because you didn't play h6, well, that is a burden I
> > think I can bear.
> Bs"d
>
> The question is of course not if you can carry that burden if I get back ranked, the question is of course: Can I carry that burden?
>
> I'm the one who will be waking up screaming at night, drenched in sweat, for months to come, when that back ranker comes to visit me in my nightmares.
>
> But I just might give it a try.

In this game:

https://lichess.org/do8zc3OL#20

I advanced both my rook pawns. The move of the a-pawn was reasonable, the move of the h pawn was a mistake, and caused trouble
later. It is not always easy to decide, especially in a speed game, whether the advance of a rook pawn is a good idea. But if you
advance them automatically you will be wrong more often than right.

You won't find any forks or other spectacular tactics in the rest of the game. Under positional pressure the machine just surrenders
material.

William Hyde

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On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:28:27 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:20:31 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 10:08:12 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:07:15 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 6:02:17 PM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:39:04 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Cut back on the pointless rook pawn moves and you will play better, and still have fun. More fun,
> > > > > > in fact.
> > > > > Bs"d
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to cut back on playing up the castle pawns. Let's see how it goes.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://tinyurl.com/calm-win
> > > > Bs"d
> > > >
> > > > If I'm going to be back ranked, I'm going to blame it on you!
> > > I was subject to a back rank combination myself today. Not a one move mate, but a slightly more
> > > complex affair, even though I had played h6. Luckily I saw it early enough that I managed to
> > > scrape a draw with a little help from the opponent.
> > >
> > > If you lose any games to bank rank mates because you didn't play h6, well, that is a burden I
> > > think I can bear.
> > Bs"d
> >
> > The question is of course not if you can carry that burden if I get back ranked, the question is of course: Can I carry that burden?
> >
> > I'm the one who will be waking up screaming at night, drenched in sweat, for months to come, when that back ranker comes to visit me in my nightmares.
> >
> > But I just might give it a try.
> In this game:
>
> https://lichess.org/do8zc3OL#20
>
> I advanced both my rook pawns. The move of the a-pawn was reasonable, the move of the h pawn was a mistake, and caused trouble
> later. It is not always easy to decide, especially in a speed game, whether the advance of a rook pawn is a good idea. But if you
> advance them automatically you will be wrong more often than right.
>
> You won't find any forks or other spectacular tactics in the rest of the game. Under positional pressure the machine just surrenders
> material.

Bs"d

So you murdered Stockfish on level 6. Congrats! I don't go above level 5, difficult enough for me.

And you played up your a pawn. Of course! You don't want horses coming to there. And with your h pawn you chased away the bishop, so that was all good.

I think you are totally right about not playing up the castle pawns. That is, if you are an IM or higher.

On patzer level, which is where I'm holding, I think it is better to play up your rook pawns. Or at least one of 'm, according to the necessities of the position.

I get in problems if I don't play them up. Maybe if I should start studying a ton of openings, and start playing only exactly by the book in every opening, then not playing up the castle pawns my benefit me. But before I reach that level, which is probably never going to happen, then I'm better off playing up my castle pawns whenever I feel like it.

https://tinyurl.com/lifes-fault

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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
From: wthyde1...@gmail.com (William Hyde)
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 by: William Hyde - Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:46 UTC

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:21:14 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:28:27 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:20:31 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 10:08:12 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:07:15 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 6:02:17 PM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:39:04 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Cut back on the pointless rook pawn moves and you will play better, and still have fun. More fun,
> > > > > > > in fact.
> > > > > > Bs"d
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm trying to cut back on playing up the castle pawns. Let's see how it goes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://tinyurl.com/calm-win
> > > > > Bs"d
> > > > >
> > > > > If I'm going to be back ranked, I'm going to blame it on you!
> > > > I was subject to a back rank combination myself today. Not a one move mate, but a slightly more
> > > > complex affair, even though I had played h6. Luckily I saw it early enough that I managed to
> > > > scrape a draw with a little help from the opponent.
> > > >
> > > > If you lose any games to bank rank mates because you didn't play h6, well, that is a burden I
> > > > think I can bear.
> > > Bs"d
> > >
> > > The question is of course not if you can carry that burden if I get back ranked, the question is of course: Can I carry that burden?
> > >
> > > I'm the one who will be waking up screaming at night, drenched in sweat, for months to come, when that back ranker comes to visit me in my nightmares.
> > >
> > > But I just might give it a try.
> > In this game:
> >
> > https://lichess.org/do8zc3OL#20
> >
> > I advanced both my rook pawns. The move of the a-pawn was reasonable, the move of the h pawn was a mistake, and caused trouble
> > later. It is not always easy to decide, especially in a speed game, whether the advance of a rook pawn is a good idea. But if you
> > advance them automatically you will be wrong more often than right.
> >
> > You won't find any forks or other spectacular tactics in the rest of the game. Under positional pressure the machine just surrenders
> > material.
> Bs"d
>
> So you murdered Stockfish on level 6. Congrats! I don't go above level 5, difficult enough for me.
>
> And you played up your a pawn. Of course! You don't want horses coming to there.

I would have loved him to put a knight there. The game was being decided in the centre and queenside, a knight on
g5 would have weakened his control of d4 and e5, to my advantage.

>And with your h pawn you chased away the bishop, so that was all good.

Actually, his bishop was better placed on e3 than on g5. So when it moved the piece to g5 I should just have accepted the gift and played something
constructive. I got greedy, though. I "reasoned" that if the machine really wanted to attack f6 and through that e7, a theme in this opening, then
it would play Bh4, where it would be out of play as far as the queenside was concerned.

It's always a mistake to think that because your opponent has made one mistake he/she/it will make another.

Instead I drove the bishop back to a more effective square. I did gain a tempo, but I weakened my kingside. I could have had the tempo, a stronger
kingside, and the bishop on a less effective square had I been able to resist .. h6.

"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" is a saying in English which I failed to heed (and in this case it really is horse, not rook).

>
> I think you are totally right about not playing up the castle pawns. That is, if you are an IM or higher.
>
> On patzer level, which is where I'm holding, I think it is better to play up your rook pawns. Or at least one of 'm, according to the necessities of the position.
>
> I get in problems if I don't play them up. Maybe if I should start studying a ton of openings, and start playing only exactly by the book in every opening,

That would be no fun. And at our level it is not required.

>then not playing up the castle pawns my benefit me. But before I reach that level, which is probably never going to happen, then I'm better off playing up my castle pawns whenever I feel like it.

A good rule of thumb, when there' s nothing that obviously needs doing, is to improve the position of your worst piece. That worst piece is rarely
a rook pawn. You are an attacking player, and for an attack you need developed pieces. True, if the opponents fall for one of your traps you need
only develop three or four pieces, but if they avoid that you will need more, as in a couple of longer attacking games you have posted
here some time ago.

If in the opening you watch out for tactics, develop your pieces briskly (in open games, in closed games you can dawdle a bit) and avoid creating
weaknesses, you will do well at our level without memorizing openings.

A friend of mine scored 4/7 in a student olympiad, playing opponents rated on average well over 2300. He didn't know much about the openings and
in only one of those games, against a future Russian world champion candidate, did he play a book line. The encyclopedia of chess openings,
which he was following, gave the position as equal at move eighteen. The soviet player won quite briskly, saying after the game that
"everyone" in the USSR knew that the position was lost for black.

So my friend made 4/6 in games where he didn't know the opening. Against people who would crush stockfish at level eight.

William Hyde

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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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 by: Eli Kesef - Fri, 31 Mar 2023 07:20 UTC

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:46:44 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:

> "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" is a saying in English which I failed to heed (and in this case it really is horse, not rook).

Bs"d

I guess the "rook" here should have been a "knight".

> >
> > I think you are totally right about not playing up the castle pawns. That is, if you are an IM or higher.
> >
> > On patzer level, which is where I'm holding, I think it is better to play up your rook pawns. Or at least one of 'm, according to the necessities of the position.
> >
> > I get in problems if I don't play them up. Maybe if I should start studying a ton of openings, and start playing only exactly by the book in every opening,
> That would be no fun. And at our level it is not required.
> >then not playing up the castle pawns my benefit me. But before I reach that level, which is probably never going to happen, then I'm better off playing up my castle pawns whenever I feel like it.
> A good rule of thumb, when there' s nothing that obviously needs doing, is to improve the position of your worst piece. That worst piece is rarely
> a rook pawn. You are an attacking player, and for an attack you need developed pieces. True, if the opponents fall for one of your traps you need
> only develop three or four pieces, but if they avoid that you will need more, as in a couple of longer attacking games you have posted
> here some time ago.
>
> If in the opening you watch out for tactics, develop your pieces briskly (in open games, in closed games you can dawdle a bit) and avoid creating
> weaknesses, you will do well at our level without memorizing openings.

Here is a game, played 15 hours ago, in which I did not play up my a pawn, and regretted it terribly. I got a doubled pawn on the b line, lost my bishop, in short: Disaster struck.

Thanks to a blunder of the enemy I could still win, but not playing up my castle pawn costed me dearly.

Here is a famous chess player who wished he would have played up his castle pawn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPef1NZrK_0

Don't make an air hole and you'll pay the price.

https://tinyurl.com/Bot-on-Karpov

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 by: William Hyde - Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:46 UTC

On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:20:20 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:46:44 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
>
> > "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" is a saying in English which I failed to heed (and in this case it really is horse, not rook).
> Bs"d
>
> I guess the "rook" here should have been a "knight".
> > >
> > > I think you are totally right about not playing up the castle pawns. That is, if you are an IM or higher.
> > >
> > > On patzer level, which is where I'm holding, I think it is better to play up your rook pawns. Or at least one of 'm, according to the necessities of the position.
> > >
> > > I get in problems if I don't play them up. Maybe if I should start studying a ton of openings, and start playing only exactly by the book in every opening,
> > That would be no fun. And at our level it is not required.
> > >then not playing up the castle pawns my benefit me. But before I reach that level, which is probably never going to happen, then I'm better off playing up my castle pawns whenever I feel like it.
> > A good rule of thumb, when there' s nothing that obviously needs doing, is to improve the position of your worst piece. That worst piece is rarely
> > a rook pawn. You are an attacking player, and for an attack you need developed pieces. True, if the opponents fall for one of your traps you need
> > only develop three or four pieces, but if they avoid that you will need more, as in a couple of longer attacking games you have posted
> > here some time ago.
> >
> > If in the opening you watch out for tactics, develop your pieces briskly (in open games, in closed games you can dawdle a bit) and avoid creating
> > weaknesses, you will do well at our level without memorizing openings.
> Here is a game, played 15 hours ago, in which I did not play up my a pawn, and regretted it terribly. I got a doubled pawn on the b line, lost my bishop, in short: Disaster struck.
>
> Thanks to a blunder of the enemy I could still win, but not playing up my castle pawn costed me dearly.

What game?
>
> Here is a famous chess player who wished he would have played up his castle pawn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPef1NZrK_0

Fast speed game. Anything can happen. I've seen 2400 players drop rooks when down to 30 seconds.
>
> Don't make an air hole and you'll pay the price.

Generally you won't.

William Hyde

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 by: Eli Kesef - Sat, 1 Apr 2023 19:09 UTC

On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:47:01 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > Here is a game, played 15 hours ago, in which I did not play up my a pawn, and regretted it terribly. I got a doubled pawn on the b line, lost my bishop, in short: Disaster struck.
> >
> > Thanks to a blunder of the enemy I could still win, but not playing up my castle pawn costed me dearly.
> What game?

Bs"d

This one: https://lichess.org/MmYDoEENw8h8

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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
From: wthyde1...@gmail.com (William Hyde)
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 by: William Hyde - Sat, 1 Apr 2023 21:19 UTC

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:47:01 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > > Here is a game, played 15 hours ago, in which I did not play up my a pawn, and regretted it terribly. I got a doubled pawn on the b line, lost my bishop, in short: Disaster struck.
> > >
> > > Thanks to a blunder of the enemy I could still win, but not playing up my castle pawn costed me dearly.
> > What game?
> Bs"d
>
> This one: https://lichess.org/MmYDoEENw8h8

In this game you did play h6 - and it wasn't as good as developing - but you won anyway as the opponent absolutely refused
to develop his queenside.

This cannot be the game you were referring to.

William Hyde

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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
From: nastyhor...@gmail.com (Eli Kesef)
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 by: Eli Kesef - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 06:10 UTC

On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 12:19:21 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:47:01 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > > > Here is a game, played 15 hours ago, in which I did not play up my a pawn, and regretted it terribly. I got a doubled pawn on the b line, lost my bishop, in short: Disaster struck.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to a blunder of the enemy I could still win, but not playing up my castle pawn costed me dearly.
> > > What game?
> > Bs"d
> >
> > This one: https://lichess.org/MmYDoEENw8h8
> In this game you did play h6 - and it wasn't as good as developing - but you won anyway as the opponent absolutely refused
> to develop his queenside.
>
> This cannot be the game you were referring to.

Bs"d

It is the right game, I played up my h pawn, but not my a pawn, because of which I lost my bishop and got double pawns on the b line. I also lost my pin on his f2 pawn, in short: It was disaster.

https://tinyurl.com/1bad-40good

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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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 by: Eli Kesef - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:55 UTC

Bs"d

I had a nice horse fork in this game: https://lichess.org/OdsJHxJX0RhZ Not just a minor fork that yields an exchange, but a real fork, a ROYAL HORSE FORK, which netted me a queen.

The enemy made took the offending horse, then played one more move, and surrendered.

Horse forks are powerful things.

https://tinyurl.com/happy-fork

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 by: Eli Kesef - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 17:55 UTC

Bs"d

I had a nice horse fork in this game: https://lichess.org/OdsJHxJX0RhZ Not just a minor fork that yields an exchange, but a real fork, a ROYAL HORSE FORK, which netted me a queen.

The enemy took the offending horse, then played one more move, and surrendered.

Horse forks are powerful things.

https://tinyurl.com/happy-fork

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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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 by: William Hyde - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 20:24 UTC

On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:10:12 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 12:19:21 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 9:47:01 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > > > > Here is a game, played 15 hours ago, in which I did not play up my a pawn, and regretted it terribly. I got a doubled pawn on the b line, lost my bishop, in short: Disaster struck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks to a blunder of the enemy I could still win, but not playing up my castle pawn costed me dearly.
> > > > What game?
> > > Bs"d
> > >
> > > This one: https://lichess.org/MmYDoEENw8h8
> > In this game you did play h6 - and it wasn't as good as developing - but you won anyway as the opponent absolutely refused
> > to develop his queenside.
> >
> > This cannot be the game you were referring to.
> Bs"d
>
> It is the right game, I played up my h pawn, but not my a pawn, because of which I lost my bishop and got double pawns on the b line. I also lost my pin on his f2 pawn, in short: It was disaster.

It is sometimes worth playing a rook pawn forward to protect a bishop from exchange, this is commonly done, in fact.

But in this case you had a reasonable game even so, until you began to err later. I don't see a point at which a6 would have been a good
move. Your failure to play it was good chess, not a disaster. In fact, instead of exchanging his active knight for that bishop, he should have
left it there and developed. Never exchange for the sake of exchanging.

As for your doubled pawns, nothing is a weakness unless it can be attacked. He never managed to threaten those pawns.

William Hyde

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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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 by: Eli Kesef - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 20:47 UTC

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 12:26:28 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:05:14 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 10:08:12 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > > I was subject to a back rank combination myself today. Not a one move mate, but a slightly more
> > > complex affair, even though I had played h6. Luckily I saw it early enough that I managed to
> > > scrape a draw with a little help from the opponent.
> > Bs"d
> >
> > Isn't that weird? You did play up your castle pawn, something of which you tell others not to do that,
> I did it to break a pin. I don't recommend against that. Though it can be wrong.
> >and then still you get hit with a back ranker.
> I overlooked a move or so ahead that he could threaten the back rank with a move that also uncovered an attack on h7.

Bs"d

Talking about back rankers, I just had one: https://lichess.org/9LMZ5WrAJlZT

The only catch was: It wasn't the king who was mated on the back rank, but the queen.

Still, it also ended the game on the spot.

https://tinyurl.com/checkmate-ends

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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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 by: William Hyde - Tue, 4 Apr 2023 19:00 UTC

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:47:32 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 12:26:28 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:05:14 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 10:08:12 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > > > I was subject to a back rank combination myself today. Not a one move mate, but a slightly more
> > > > complex affair, even though I had played h6. Luckily I saw it early enough that I managed to
> > > > scrape a draw with a little help from the opponent.
> > > Bs"d
> > >
> > > Isn't that weird? You did play up your castle pawn, something of which you tell others not to do that,
> > I did it to break a pin. I don't recommend against that. Though it can be wrong.
> > >and then still you get hit with a back ranker.
> > I overlooked a move or so ahead that he could threaten the back rank with a move that also uncovered an attack on h7.
> Bs"d
>
> Talking about back rankers, I just had one: https://lichess.org/9LMZ5WrAJlZT
>
> The only catch was: It wasn't the king who was mated on the back rank, but the queen.
>
> Still, it also ended the game on the spot.

A cute finish indeed.

I like the way you played after you lost your queen. In speed games I have lost many a queen along that c5-g1
diagonal. I never seem to learn.

Still, that Nh4 move threw away most of a huge plus. When you have an advantage that large there is generally a good
way of dealing with the threats the underdeveloped player makes.

I'm a bit surprised that you castled. It's a natural move, but I would think it more in your style to let him grab the
g pawn. A huge lead in development plus the open g file would be worth far more than a pawn.

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 by: Eli Kesef - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 08:07 UTC

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:00:14 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:47:32 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > Talking about back rankers, I just had one: https://lichess.org/9LMZ5WrAJlZT
> >
> > The only catch was: It wasn't the king who was mated on the back rank, but the queen.
> >
> > Still, it also ended the game on the spot.
> A cute finish indeed.
>
> I like the way you played after you lost your queen. In speed games I have lost many a queen along that c5-g1
> diagonal. I never seem to learn.

Bs"d

Totally didn't see that skewer coming. But I got a castle and a bishop for my queen and a pawn, so the damage was limited. And I still was 4 points ahead in material, so I was still in good spirits and confident in the outcome. That was also why I happily exchanged pieces.

> Still, that Nh4 move threw away most of a huge plus. When you have an advantage that large there is generally a good
> way of dealing with the threats the underdeveloped player makes.

That's one of those cases why I don't understand why Stockfish makes such a big deal about me putting my horse on the edge for attacking his queen.
OK, a horse on the side is misapplied, but still, distracting 5 points for that is just too much.
But of course, Stockfish will have it's reasons, it is just that they are beyond my grasp, and I can't play like Stockfish.
>
> I'm a bit surprised that you castled. It's a natural move, but I would think it more in your style to let him grab the
> g pawn. A huge lead in development plus the open g file would be worth far more than a pawn.

Castling was just putting my king safe, and protecting my pawn. I think it didn't work out too bad.

https://tinyurl.com/castle-early

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 by: William Hyde - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 21:47 UTC

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 4:07:56 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:00:14 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:47:32 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > Bs"d
> > >
> > > Talking about back rankers, I just had one: https://lichess.org/9LMZ5WrAJlZT
> > >
> > > The only catch was: It wasn't the king who was mated on the back rank, but the queen.
> > >
> > > Still, it also ended the game on the spot.
> > A cute finish indeed.
> >
> > I like the way you played after you lost your queen. In speed games I have lost many a queen along that c5-g1
> > diagonal. I never seem to learn.
> Bs"d
>
> Totally didn't see that skewer coming. But I got a castle and a bishop for my queen and a pawn, so the damage was limited. And I still was 4 points ahead in material, so I was still in good spirits and confident in the outcome. That was also why I happily exchanged pieces.
> > Still, that Nh4 move threw away most of a huge plus. When you have an advantage that large there is generally a good
> > way of dealing with the threats the underdeveloped player makes.
> That's one of those cases why I don't understand why Stockfish makes such a big deal about me putting my horse on the edge for attacking his queen.
> OK, a horse on the side is misapplied, but still, distracting 5 points for that is just too much.

It's not that this line was so bad for you, but that the other was so good. The dislocation of the knight didn't cost you five points
in itself, but the failure to take advantage of the weakness at c7 did. As if you decided to win a pawn instead of taking a rook.

> But of course, Stockfish will have it's reasons, it is just that they are beyond my grasp, and I can't play like Stockfish.

In this case you underrate yourself. You play attacks like the recommended Nb5 all the time in your pet lines. If you learn to see these
moves in other contexts you'll win more short games - and I know you like short games.

> >
> > I'm a bit surprised that you castled. It's a natural move, but I would think it more in your style to let him grab the
> > g pawn. A huge lead in development plus the open g file would be worth far more than a pawn.
> Castling was just putting my king safe, and protecting my pawn. I think it didn't work out too bad.

Agreed, not too bad. But you often let your king get a bit loose in pursuit of an attack. The attacking move, d4, seems natural
for you.

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 by: Eli Kesef - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 17:10 UTC

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 12:47:06 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 4:07:56 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:00:14 PM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:47:32 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > > Bs"d
> > > >
> > > > Talking about back rankers, I just had one: https://lichess.org/9LMZ5WrAJlZT
> > > >
> > > > The only catch was: It wasn't the king who was mated on the back rank, but the queen.
> > > >
> > > > Still, it also ended the game on the spot.
> > > A cute finish indeed.
> > >
> > > I like the way you played after you lost your queen. In speed games I have lost many a queen along that c5-g1
> > > diagonal. I never seem to learn.
> > Bs"d
> >
> > Totally didn't see that skewer coming. But I got a castle and a bishop for my queen and a pawn, so the damage was limited. And I still was 4 points ahead in material, so I was still in good spirits and confident in the outcome. That was also why I happily exchanged pieces.
> > > Still, that Nh4 move threw away most of a huge plus. When you have an advantage that large there is generally a good
> > > way of dealing with the threats the underdeveloped player makes.
> > That's one of those cases why I don't understand why Stockfish makes such a big deal about me putting my horse on the edge for attacking his queen..
> > OK, a horse on the side is misapplied, but still, distracting 5 points for that is just too much.
> It's not that this line was so bad for you, but that the other was so good. The dislocation of the knight didn't cost you five points
> in itself, but the failure to take advantage of the weakness at c7 did. As if you decided to win a pawn instead of taking a rook.

Bs"d

I looked at attacking c7 in stead of playing the horse to the side, and nothing much happens except that black has to move his king in order to protect c7.

I don't see a grand attack or combination that is worth a lot.

What does happen after a handful of moves, is that the enemy has his four light pieces still all on the back rank, and I am fully developed. Even though we are totally equal in material, that seems to be worth more than 7 points. Interesting.

But that queen in front of my king side was scary, I wanted to chase it away. Before you know it a bishop joins in, and things get ugly. That's why I went after the queen.

I'm working now on learning the Rousseau gambit, in the Italian opening. Looks like fun, but I have to learn many lines by heart.

I hope it is going to make a lot of unsuspecting victims. :D

https://tinyurl.com/hang-Q

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Bs"d

Just got a nice royal horse fork: https://lichess.org/6volKKRQtB6Y

It ended the game on the spot.

https://lichess.org/6volKKRQtB6Y

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Bs"d

In this game: https://lichess.org/kgAI9nPxYzZn the unthinkable happened..... On move 21 I myself fell victim to a royal horse fork. :(

Absolutely horrible, but tragedies sometimes happen. That's life.

But my revenge was terrible and merciless.

I go by the Biblical principle of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth: https://tinyurl.com/eye4eye-hand4hand

So what did I do? I returned the favor, and on move 28 I royally forked the enemy. And that was the end of it.

Justice was done. Everything was again as it was supposed to be.

All is well that ends well. 😀😀😀

https://tinyurl.com/happy-fork

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Bs"d

In this game: https://lichess.org/suyuVBvYUwKa a nasty horse fork brought the game to an abrupt end.

https://tinyurl.com/withu4k

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Bs"d

In this game: https://lichess.org/7XJli1DpFEaA a nasty royal horse fork relieved the enemy of his queen. He blundered on for a few moves but then surrendered unconditionally.

https://tinyurl.com/Royal-4ks-hurt

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Bs"d

Got another one, a royal horse fork: https://lichess.org/qxdLdJJ75Euy

The enemy was about to lose his queen without the slightest compensation. So he surrendered.

https://tinyurl.com/happy-fork

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Bs"d

Things come in clusters. Yet another royal horse fork: https://lichess.org/S5UInHuAYJMU

https://tinyurl.com/4k-horrible

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Bs"d

And yet another royal fork! This game is already posted in the miniature thread, it was after all concluded on move 10, but because it ends with a royal fork I think it also belongs here.

I hope I don't get double charged for using double the bandwidth.

Anyway, here it is again, I think this is incredibly funny, (but I won't post it a third time in the funny games thread) although tastes might differ. ;D

Got another who tried to fry my liver, and I treated him to the Ponziani-Steinitz gambit: https://lichess.org/a5oZ8H0uEBlj

After he started with the Italian, and I answered him with the two horses defense, he moved his horse to g5, from where the beast attacked square f7, which was already under attack by his bishop on c4. I had only one defender for that square, my king, and that was obviously not enough for the combined onslaught of the enemy's horse and bishop. What to do?
My solution was taking my horse from f6 and let it jump to e4, where it took an enemy pawn.

Minor side points such as there were that the pawn on e4 was protected by his horse, or that his horse could now under protection of his bishop smack into f7, forking my queen and castle, could not deter me from my course of action.

The enemy made the horrible horse fork, forking both my queen and castle.

He didn’t do so bad, he lasted until move 10, and then resigned.

The Ponziani - Steinitz gambit did it again!

https://tinyurl.com/Ponzi-Steini

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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 11:01 UTC

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In this Tennison gambit the enemy went horribly wrong and allowed me a nasty horse fork on his queen and castle, which netted me a castle.
The enemy let my horse escape, so I got away with a full castle.

On move 50 the enemy finally surrendered.

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